Saturday, Saturday, Saturday .... 
Originally posted by elraido:
Stupid lousy TWolves.....can't even get into the playoffs. Get rid of Cassell.
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
I think the Kings dumped their game last night at the Jazz to get the 6th seed against the easier Sonics team.
So Dallas vs. Houston is a tough match-up with no Juwan and the way Dallas like to run and put up points it's gonna be a lot of pressure on T-Mac to put up 40 point games!
Hoping the Kings get healthy quick and make an impact on the Sonics and win the first round.
Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
two words for you mother f-ers!
re-peat!
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
two words for you mother f-ers!
re-peat!
No one can beat the Heat if Shaq is healthy. And even if he isn't, Wade is an incredible player who could carry that team by himself. The Pistons look good only because the rest of the East is so weak. I'll be rooting for my Bulls, hopefully against the Wizards first round, but they're not going to get past the Heat. It'll definitely be Pistons/Heat in the EC finals.
In the west, who knows. Phoenix's style is perfect for beating a lot of teams once or twice, but I don't know if it will work for 4 out of 7. If TD is at full strength, it's hard to bet against the Spurs in the west. I can see the Nuggest sneaking into the finals also.
My prediction: Heat over Spurs in the finals.
Originally posted by SVTatGT:
Go hawks....
[censored], I don't think we are gunna make it.
Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
Even with a healthy Shaq, the Pistons can (and likely will) beat the heat. Has the Heat beat the Pacers yet this year?
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
two words for you mother f-ers!
re-peat!
No one can beat the Heat if Shaq is healthy.
Originally posted by Corbett:
WHAT!?!??!?! Did you even see the finals last year? One word.....OWNED! Shaq sucks. He just throws his weight around! Can't make a free throw to save his life. Pistons knew his weeknesses and took him to school!
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Corbett:
WHAT!?!??!?! Did you even see the finals last year? One word.....OWNED! Shaq sucks. He just throws his weight around! Can't make a free throw to save his life. Pistons knew his weeknesses and took him to school!
You just proved you know nothing about NBA basketball. The Heat this year are not the Lakers of last year. The Heat's role players (Haslem, Jones, Jones) and secondary star (Wade) are far superior to last year's Lakers has-beens and over-hyped mememememememememememememe player.
Originally posted by Davo:
Eh, I didn't hear anything about the Pistons last year.
...oh that's right, that's because they gained millions of fans when they won the championship.
Originally posted by Davo:
LMAO
The old "you're from Nebraska, you don't know anything" line coming from someone from Broken Arrow, Oklahoma...very precious.
I got your point, and made one of my own.
I'm from Detroit fool. Michigan license and Michigan plates. Thats ok Davo. I know nobody knows better than you. You've always had a love affair with whatever team Shaq is on anyways.
Originally posted by Ray:
Spurs over heat.. game 6 by 18 ( if they can keep inside the paint, and feed TD the bank.)
If the heat can step up the game, keep TD off the right side of the paint, then spurs barely sneak by heat game 7, within 08 points.
Ray
Originally posted by Davo:
I've been to Detroit, and it's not any better than here.
Originally posted by Ray:
Exactly.. If Tim stays healthy, the team has multiple playoff games under the belt.. They are actually a very strong team and readily surprise most teams with late come-backs. They are the team to beat when it comes down to staying power. (IMHO)
If tim-may falls short, they tend to rely too much on a modified three point game, and this year the percentages simply aren't up to par for that.
Either way, a good match-up will be coming, here shortly..
oh.. and I didn't say it... someone else did.. so I just captured it for all to see.. FOREVER!! lol
Ray
Originally posted by Ray:
Consistency doesn't have to be "pretty".. it only has to be consistent. It's what wins..
and you are right..
Ray
Originally posted by Kokopellian:
Yes, it does. But I'm going to have to disagree on the TD factor. He's sprained his ankle pretty badly this season. He's the X factor. W/O TD, the Spurs don't stand a chance. And in these playoffs, TD needs to be 95% or better period. The West is FAR too deep.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Kokopellian:
Yes, it does. But I'm going to have to disagree on the TD factor. He's sprained his ankle pretty badly this season. He's the X factor. W/O TD, the Spurs don't stand a chance. And in these playoffs, TD needs to be 95% or better period. The West is FAR too deep.
I completely agree with that. That Spurs/Nuggets series is going to be the best opening-round series, regardless of how well TD is.
Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
Wrongo! The Houston/Dallas matchup is going to be the series to watch in the first round. Denver is out of it's league with San Antonio, as Houston proved last week when they smoked the Nuggets.
Originally posted by Davo:
Please. Houston is overrated.
Originally posted by gdub520:
his one shot in orlando he did nothing when they made the playoffs
Originally posted by Corbett:Dude, have some mercy! Don't take away the only thing he has left in his life...
I'm glad I was able to aid you in your daily routine of fighting over the internet. What a life!
... Go Rockets!!!!!
Originally posted by snakous:
the way the pistons ended the season and played their first game today, i dont know how many teams will be able to play with them for 7 games.
it is the playoffs and you never know what's gonna happen. hopefully we see some good basketball regardless of who wins!
Originally posted by Davo:
I'm shocked that Yao and McGrady have showed up for this series. My predictions for this series relied upon them being no-shows, as they usually are. Dallas is in deep trouble, and the rest of the West should look out also.
That slam dunk was Jordenesque!
Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
That slam dunk was Jordenesque!
Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
In a year or two, the Bulls will be very competitive. This year, the Pistons would win that series in no more than 6 games. The Bulls biggest thing they have going for them is no one knows anyone on their team. It wont take long for Brown and the Pistons to introduce themselves. They simply don't have the experience or depth to go deep into a series with Detroit.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
They have excellent depth.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
I don't know if we're talking about the same Bulls team here. Everyones got to know Ben Gordon.
He has to be rookie of the year and possibly sixth man of the year.
Just like I said, most underrated team in the playoffs.
They're going to smoke the Wizards.
Originally posted by 00SVT:
Dude, they go 7 deep. 8 if you count Eric Piatkowski (and I certainly don't. He's a friggin' hump). Every team left goes that far down their bench, and some go further. Who comes in after that?? Lawrence Funderburke?
Originally posted by 00SVT:
Everyone knows who Ben Gordon is. Nobody is discounting him. But the issue here is, do they have enough to hang with the Miamis and the Detroits in the East over the course of a 7-game series? I don't think so. Hell, Gilbert Arenas had his worst game in over a month and the Bulls still had trouble pulling that one out (they might have won by 9 but it was much closer than that). Their defense didn't look all that great to me during that game. Not as bad as Washington, but by no means did they put the clamps down.
Originally posted by 00SVT:
The Bulls had a great season, and it's nice to see them get things turned around over there. I just think it's a bit early to plan the parade downtown... funny to see the first playoff trip in 7 years get everyone back on the bandwagon.
Originally posted by ZetecNinja:
Phoenix Suns are gonna win it all
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Originally posted by ZetecNinja:
Phoenix Suns are gonna win it all
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by ZetecNinja:
Phoenix Suns are gonna win it all
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Speaking of bandwagoners...
Originally posted by Davo:
I think their depth is best defined by who contributes on a game-by-game basis. Their leading scorer (Curry) had just under 16 points if I recall correctly. Followed very closely behind were Hinrich and Gordon. They get significant contributions from everyone on their team.
Originally posted by Davo:
By the way, they won by 9 having missed several free throws down the stretch, so it could have easily been a 12-15 point win.
But that brings up another point: missing those free throws down the stretch isn't a good thing. Washington had too many chances to get back into that game because nobody could hit a free throw.
Originally posted by 00SVT:
I don't think they're unique in that regard. Miami gets contributions from Shaq, Wade, Damon Jones, Haslem... Detroit can look to 5 guys every night... There really isn't a team left that is strictly a 2-man show. Well, maybe the Pacers. They've got 4 guys IMO on that team who can contribute heavily during the playoffs (Hinrich, Duhon, Gordon, Nocioni). Harrington and Davis, well... you never know what you'll get with them. If they have Eddy Curry for the playoffs, however, it's a different story. Having to depend on Tyson Chandler for big minutes in the frontcourt is going to be tough. Him getting in foul trouble with 2 points to his name isn't gonna fly every night.
Originally posted by 00SVT:
But that brings up another point: missing those free throws down the stretch isn't a good thing. Washington had too many chances to get back into that game because nobody could hit a free throw.
Originally posted by Davo:
And for you to suggest Indiana is a 2-man show is ridiculous. They've had their two best players missing for large portions of the season yet they still made the 6-seed in the playoffs. Very impressive.
Originally posted by Davo:
Right, and as bad an omen as that may seem for the Bulls, it's equally such for the Wizards. If they can't capitalize on the chances Chicago gave them, then they aren't going anywhere.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
BUT, they can still take Detroit with the roster just the way it is now.
Unless Detroit and Larry Brown cry loud enough about the Bulls being dirty and getting in the refs' ears.
Of all teams to be complaining about others' playing dirty.
Originally posted by 00SVT:
Originally posted by 04marauder:
BUT, they can still take Detroit with the roster just the way it is now.
Unless Detroit and Larry Brown cry loud enough about the Bulls being dirty and getting in the refs' ears.
Of all teams to be complaining about others' playing dirty.
Are you high??? You really think they'd be able to hang over the course of a 7-game series?!?!!?!?!! Seriously... and don't confuse good defense with playing dirty. I'm sure the "cry loud enough" comment is due to the Nocioni incident from a couple weeks back... I don't care who you're rooting for, that was a cheap shot.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
Ben Wallace on the other hand gave Ron Artest a pretty cheap shot earlier this year that initiated one of the ugliest brawls in sports history. Just my 02.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
Ben Wallace on the other hand gave Ron Artest a pretty cheap shot earlier this year that initiated one of the ugliest brawls in sports history. Just my 02.
Alonzo Mourning had the most points for the Heat!! Way to get own3d by an old guy!!!
Originally posted by 99contourdriver:
All i can say is GO HEAT!!!
Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
Where are all the Laker fans this year? Oh, that's right they suck this year.
Waaaaaaaa, poor fans.
) is all about getting in the Yankees' faces and saying about how the Red Sox are now the best team ever. Please. Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
what's it like in your little world? is it pretty there???
I geuss. Originally posted by Davo:
Yeah, I liken the Lakers-haters to this year's Red Sox fans. 'Red Sox Nation' (
Then we have these people pissing on the Lakers like they're the Clippers or Warriors or something. They'll spring back, very quickly if they get Phil back.
As much as I hate the Yankees and Lakers, I'll always respect their likelihood of having a good team.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
what's it like in your little world? is it pretty there???
LOL
I know Artest is a jerk. But Nocioni is no Artest, neither is Wallace
But lots of guys get caught up in the game and get a little over aggresive at times.
Can't wait for the game tonight. Even though I should be working on the 3L.
Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
Can you legitimately argue that even one starter on the Bulls poses a matchup problem for Detroit's starters?
Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
Originally posted by 04marauder:
Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
what's it like in your little world? is it pretty there???
LOL
I know Artest is a jerk. But Nocioni is no Artest, neither is Wallace
But lots of guys get caught up in the game and get a little over aggresive at times.
Can't wait for the game tonight. Even though I should be working on the 3L.
Artest fouled hard, (Artest is dirty) Ben Wallace walked up to him and pushed him face to face. (Cheap. Dead ball and he's starting fights). That is not a cheap shot, a cheap shot would be hitting Artest from behind. Please watch the clips, they were played literally hundreds of times.
I'm a little confused, you think the Bulls can take the Pistons but not the Heat? (YES and yes) Can you explain yourself? (They didn't play well against the Heat at all. They couldn't stop Wade. They had great games against the Pistons with the exception of a few key moments).
Can you legitimately argue that even one starter on the Bulls poses a matchup problem for Detroit's starters? (Look, I respect the Pistons. They're a good team. But I like the Bulls against them. The Bulls have the best D in the league if you go buy opponents field goal %. And like I said, they have the best bench in the league going by offensive production. I think it would be a great series but it ain't happening so I'm not going to get into all the matchups).
The way McDyess is playing in the first two games, the advantage Gordon may have had is even shakier.
Originally posted by 00SVT:
I'm not being a Pistons homer, I'm being a realist.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by 00SVT:
I'm not being a Pistons homer, I'm being a realist.
Hahaha...but there is a lot of that going around here.
If you take match-ups as a sole predictor of who will win, the Bulls would have gone roughly 9-73 this year. And the Pistons wouldn't have won the championship last year. Not saying the Bulls would beat the Pistons, just point out how ridiculous that idea is. They won't even play the Pistons, so I don't see why anyone is talking about it.
Originally posted by Davo:
Hahaha...but there is a lot of that going around here.
Originally posted by Davo:
If you take match-ups as a sole predictor of who will win, the Bulls would have gone roughly 9-73 this year. And the Pistons wouldn't have won the championship last year.
Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
Actually, even last year against the Lakers, you could have made the argument the Pistons stacked up well against the Lakers.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
Actually, even last year against the Lakers, you could have made the argument the Pistons stacked up well against the Lakers.
People said this after the Finals were over, but not before. Your match-ups work in hindsight, but not in foresight.
Originally posted by Davo:
People in Detroit were confident about the match-ups? Damn, okay, I guess all my points are completely invalid now.
Originally posted by 00SVT:
you've gotta look at it a bit more objectively than,
"Well, they had the 3rd best record in the East and Ben Gordon rules and they play defense and they're young..."
Originally posted by 04marauder:
The Bulls have the best D in the league if you go by opponents field goal %.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
They have the best bench in the league going by offensive production. Depth is the point here.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
And last time I checked good D usually wins games.
Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
Originally posted by 04marauder:
And last time I checked good D usually wins games.
The last time I checked, whoever scored the most points usually wins the game.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by ZetecNinja:
Phoenix Suns are gonna win it all
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Speaking of bandwagoners...
Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:
Should be an interesting game 3.
Originally posted by Davo:
The reason there isn't as much trash-talking is because all the Pistons jockers just say 'Pistons are the best team, now STFU'.
Quote:
Detroit Pistons Attendance
Year Total Avg
2003-04 872,902 21,290
2002-03 839,278 20,470
2001-02 760,807 18,556
2000-01 607,323 14,813
1999-00 678,470 16,548
1998-99 444,585 17,783
1997-98 794,567 19,380
1996-97 820,585 20,014
1995-96 730,573 17,819
1994-95 719,090 17,539
1993-94 785,187 19,151
1992-93 879,614 21,454
1991-92 879,614 21,454
1990-91 879,614 21,454
1989-90 879,614 21,454
1988-89 879,614 21,454
1987-88 1,066,505 26,012
1986-87 908,240 22,152
1985-86 695,239 16,957
1984-85 691,540 16,867
1983-84 652,865 15,924
1982-83 522,063 12,733
1981-82 406,317 9,910
Originally posted by Corbett:
the bandwagon is circling around the Heat this year if you have not noticed, just like it did around the Lakers last year.
Originally posted by Davo:
Detroit Pistons Attendance
Originally posted by Davo:
The Tigers, the team that Detroit loves so much, is currently 26th out of 30 teams in attendance this year.
One thing that I will say is the Pacers should look at what they did w/o Artest and ask themselves is he really worth the headach and trade him, what do you guys thing Even though he doesn't play football he has "Raider player" written all over him! Maybe he could be a TE, seeing they had a player nicknamed "Stork" back in the day. With Reggie leaving and the fact that they've done what they've done with what they got, its time to make the right moves and get that mental case off of the team. Sorry if this rubs you Pacer fans the wrong way, but he did go into the stands and has had anger management in the past. Lets keep this rivalery on the court for years to come, just like we had w/ the Bulls/Celtics back in the day
Originally posted by steve-o:
PISTONS WIN IT! Very good game played by the Pacers though. Bye Reggie!
Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
Sorry ,but the Finals are going to be the Spurs over the Heat in 7.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Damn, everyone was right, the Pistons don't stand a chance against this Heat team with all that depth.
Originally posted by Corbett:
Once again, Pistons dont get the respect they deserve. I can't say I'm surprised.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Once again, Pistons dont get the respect they deserve. I can't say I'm surprised.
Please. Cry me a river. Most people are picking the Pistons to win this series. Do you really need Brent Musberger to like you before you get 'respect'?
I guess complaining about not getting 'respect' is the cool thing to do nowadays.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Once again, Pistons dont get the respect they deserve. I can't say I'm surprised.
Please. Cry me a river. Most people are picking the Pistons to win this series. Do you really need Brent Musberger to like you before you get 'respect'?
I guess complaining about not getting 'respect' is the cool thing to do nowadays.
Originally posted by Corbett:
Lol, man am I the only one that sees the huge bias in favor of the Heat from the announcers? And I loved Jamie Foxx after the game was over saying that game #2 is the one to watch and the Pistons are no fun to watch. What a moron. Once again, Pistons dont get the respect they deserve. I can't say I'm surprised.
Pistons in 6.
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
no on or off court problems,
Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
no on or off court problems,
you know you're about to get lambasted on that one, right rog??
If thats the case no need to worry, she was just knocking some sense into him, thats all
Originally posted by snakous:
pistons played TERRIBLE and miami barely squeaked it out. the officiating once again is terrible going both ways.
In closing, why in the hell is game #3 on Sunday and not Friday, jackass NBA!
Originally posted by Bronco_II:
I know what you mean about the announcers. The Pistons would do something amazing and they would announce it like a free throw shot, then someone would pass the ball to Shaq (underneath the basket, go figure) and he does his little spin move to hook shot for the 8923753829th time, and they all cream their pants in amazement.
BTW I grabbed this from Van Gundy's playbook when he wasn't looking:
Originally posted by Bronco_II:
Originally posted by Davo:
Funny, he's been doing that for 10 years and they still can't stop him.
Originally posted by Davo:
LMAO
Yes, I did watch the Finals last year. And no, the Pistons did not stop him.
Originally posted by Bronco_II:
I know what you mean about the announcers. The Pistons would do something amazing and they would announce it like a free throw shot, then someone would pass the ball to Shaq (underneath the basket, go figure) and he does his little spin move to hook shot for the 8923753829th time, and they all cream their pants in amazement.
BTW I grabbed this from Van Gundy's playbook when he wasn't looking:
On a side note though, is it me or is George Blaha the biggest homer and whore in the world (for you local Detroit guys only, obvisiously) This guys pimps everything and anything and then, when coming out of commericials, is still giving "service after the sale". My co-worker and I were laughing about it all night and it made for an entertaining night for sure
Originally posted by snakous:
Originally posted by Davo:
LMAO
Yes, I did watch the Finals last year. And no, the Pistons did not stop him.
The Pistons sure has hell stopped him as much as they needed to win though.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by snakous:
Originally posted by Davo:
LMAO
Yes, I did watch the Finals last year. And no, the Pistons did not stop him.
The Pistons sure has hell stopped him as much as they needed to win though.
No, Shaq scored at will, they just stopped everyone else.
Originally posted by snakous:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by snakous:
Originally posted by Davo:
LMAO
Yes, I did watch the Finals last year. And no, the Pistons did not stop him.
The Pistons sure has hell stopped him as much as they needed to win though.
No, Shaq scored at will, they just stopped everyone else.
Actually yes, because of stopping other people and playing great defense the Lakers had difficulty setting things up and getting the ball down low into Shaq, making him a little less effective.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by snakous:
Originally posted by Davo:
LMAO
Yes, I did watch the Finals last year. And no, the Pistons did not stop him.
The Pistons sure has hell stopped him as much as they needed to win though.
No, Shaq scored at will, they just stopped everyone else.
Also, back in the day, when we beat Chicago all the time before the "Jordan rules" took effect, we never shut him down either and still won back to back titles. Its always going to be a team game, just ask Labron James that as he's still looking for his Scotty Pippen. BTW, how about our "TEAM" yesterday, thats spelled T-E-A-M!
Originally posted by Davo:
I detect a pattern here.
Day after Pistons loss: Nothing.
Day after Pistons win: OMFG WE ARE THE BEST TEAM EVER OMG I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by snakous:
pistons played TERRIBLE and miami barely squeaked it out. the officiating once again is terrible going both ways.
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
I wouldn't say the Pistons played terrible, think of it like this. The Heat HAD to have their "A" game or it was all over and if that was their "A" game, I feel the same as I did before the series started, Pistons in 6. Now if you think about it, had they not rushed those threes w/ about a minute and half left in the game, the outcome could've been different, but coulda, woulda, shoulda's aren't going to beat the Heat, thats for sure. As far as the officiating goes, well, I have to listen to the game on the radio because I work afternoons and I thought George "Bla-Bla" and John Long were just being homers, it was unbearable at times listening to them between the commercials within the game and the crying about calls, it sucked
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
To make sure the finals start on June 9th (i think that is the date).
In the first half, Chauncey played absolutely awful and the Pistons as a whole, fell apart. They played substantially better in the second half, but that still wasn't to the caliber they are capable. I doubt that was the Heats A game. If it was, the series is definitely over.
Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:
Game #2 Pistons/Heat- good game overall. The heat did what they had to do and Wade had an exceptional game. Pistons were stumbling around as usual after capitlizing on an win. Seems like the Pistons like to learn the hard way then come fighting back! Sundays game should give Shaq some good healing time; I can't wait to watch it.
Originally posted by Davo:
I detect a pattern here.
Day after Pistons loss: Nothing.
Day after Pistons win: OMFG WE ARE THE BEST TEAM EVER OMG I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by snakous:
well no sh!t, do you expect pistons fans to post right after the game and be like "OMFG WE LOST OMG!!"??? just because no miami fans have posted after a win doesnt mean you gotta be a donkey when a pistons fan gets excited that they just won.
Originally posted by snakous:
Originally posted by Davo:
I detect a pattern here.
Day after Pistons loss: Nothing.
Day after Pistons win: OMFG WE ARE THE BEST TEAM EVER OMG I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
well no sh!t, do you expect pistons fans to post right after the game and be like "OMFG WE LOST OMG!!"??? just because no miami fans have posted after a win doesnt mean you gotta be a donkey when a pistons fan gets excited that they just won.
LOL! Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by snakous:
well no sh!t, do you expect pistons fans to post right after the game and be like "OMFG WE LOST OMG!!"??? just because no miami fans have posted after a win doesnt mean you gotta be a donkey when a pistons fan gets excited that they just won.
No, but I do expect more than 4th-grade behavior.
Not enough depth on that team. The Heat-Pistons series is starting to get interesting though. But once again, it won't matter because neither team can beat the spurs. If the pistons win the series their offence doesn't stand a chance against the spurs defence and if the Heat win they don't have enough talent overall to overcome the m.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
If Marion showed up for even one game, that would have been a great series. Playing 2 on 9 for a 2 games and 3 on 9 for 3 games didn't work in the Suns favor.
Safe prediction: Amare Stoudamire will be the best player in the league over the next 5 years. As good as some of the guys are right now, that guy is a freak. Well, maybe second best next to Lebron.
Originally posted by elraido:
Ummmmm ever hear of two guys named Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan. He will NEVER be as good as them. Garnett played on one leg the whole season and still put up 20+ points 13+ rebounds 5+ assists and almost 2 steals and blocks per game AND is a first team defender. And Duncan is just too fundamentally good for Amare to be able to pass up with athletisism (spelling sucks I know). Amare will never be as good of a rebounder as those two or be able to hit the outside shot as good as them either. Also he will never be as good of a passer as KG, who is the best passing big man in the game. Also, both TD and KG make the people around them better. Amare needed Nash to get to the level he was this past year. Don't get me wrong, Amare is a good if not great player but he is not the second best player. Another thing to look at is KG almost NEVER misses a game, he played a few years ago with a broken finger on his shooting hand, had knee problems this past year and you never heard him say a word on it. Most of the time it didn't come out until after the season was done. Top 5 in the league right now is KG, TD, Shaq, Lebron, Kidd (but he is only going down).
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by elraido:
Ummmmm ever hear of two guys named Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan. He will NEVER be as good as them. Garnett played on one leg the whole season and still put up 20+ points 13+ rebounds 5+ assists and almost 2 steals and blocks per game AND is a first team defender. And Duncan is just too fundamentally good for Amare to be able to pass up with athletisism (spelling sucks I know). Amare will never be as good of a rebounder as those two or be able to hit the outside shot as good as them either. Also he will never be as good of a passer as KG, who is the best passing big man in the game. Also, both TD and KG make the people around them better. Amare needed Nash to get to the level he was this past year. Don't get me wrong, Amare is a good if not great player but he is not the second best player. Another thing to look at is KG almost NEVER misses a game, he played a few years ago with a broken finger on his shooting hand, had knee problems this past year and you never heard him say a word on it. Most of the time it didn't come out until after the season was done. Top 5 in the league right now is KG, TD, Shaq, Lebron, Kidd (but he is only going down).
Well, I meant over the next few years, not right now. He did tear up Duncan in this past series, though. To say he will never be as good as Garnett and Duncan is EXTREMELY shortsighted, IMO. Considering his age, he is simply incredible.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Safe prediction: Amare Stoudamire will be the best player in the league over the next 5 years. As good as some of the guys are right now, that guy is a freak. Well, maybe second best next to Lebron.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Safe prediction: Amare Stoudamire will be the best player in the league over the next 5 years. As good as some of the guys are right now, that guy is a freak. Well, maybe second best next to Lebron.
Yep. He's the next Shaq (but much more exciting to watch). I'm afraid LeBron is going to be your typical Eastern Conference superstar: great player, throws up 30 a night, but his team sucks. Like you said, Amare is a straight up freak.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Safe prediction: Amare Stoudamire will be the best player in the league over the next 5 years. As good as some of the guys are right now, that guy is a freak. Well, maybe second best next to Lebron.
Yep. He's the next Shaq (but much more exciting to watch). I'm afraid LeBron is going to be your typical Eastern Conference superstar: great player, throws up 30 a night, but his team sucks. Like you said, Amare is a straight up freak.
He just needs to work on his D and he will be dominate the league.
On the right team, I could see Lebron pulling an Oscar Robertson and averaging a triple double.
Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
looks like it will all hinge on wades ability to play. they are scay-rewed without him!!
I've always said it was going to be the Spurs/Heat in the Finals.
Originally posted by Corbett:
Gotta love those unbiased announcers. Heat score 2 baskets in a row to go up by 4 and one of the annoucers says "And Shaq isn't even in right now, so when he does they'll increase the lead" LMAO!
Originally posted by Davo:
The Finals are going to be awesome.
Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:
I feel especially bad for Shaq and Zo (time is ticking for these two vets),
Theres being a pro and then theres being Van Gundy! I mean if the Heat would've won, I bet Larry Brown would've been able to gather himself and give credit where credit is due, but like Shaq in the post game interview, no class, par for the coarse Well Shaq, grag yourself an IcyHot patch for that deep theigh bruise, sit down and eat a couple hundred burgers from Burger King and walk off about 100000000000 calories by walking to couple Wal-Marts dropping off your ugly ass shoes 
TOOOOOOOOO BAAAAAAAAAD!Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:
I feel especially bad for Shaq and Zo (time is ticking for these two vets),
i don't feel bad for shaq. he's had his time in the sun. i do feel bad for zo, though. oh well. when your team doesn't execute for the last 8 minutes of a game, thats what you get.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:
I feel especially bad for Shaq and Zo (time is ticking for these two vets),
i don't feel bad for shaq. he's had his time in the sun. i do feel bad for zo, though. oh well. when your team doesn't execute for the last 8 minutes of a game, thats what you get.
I don't have any sympathy for Zo. He is one of the dumbest athlete's to ever exist and is a ass on and off the court. Someone much more deserving didn't get a kidney.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
I don't have any sympathy for Zo. He is one of the dumbest athlete's to ever exist and is a ass on and off the court. Someone much more deserving didn't get a kidney.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Someone much more deserving didn't get a kidney.
Originally posted by Corbett:
And i dont have any sympathy for Shaq. Especially after his post game comments last night about Ben Wallace not being one of the best defenders in the league.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Someone much more deserving didn't get a kidney.
FYI A family member donated their kidney to him.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Doesn't change the fact that someone more deserving didn't get it.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Doesn't change the fact that someone more deserving didn't get it.
How can someone whom a kidney was not intended for be more deserving of one? As far as I know, Zo's donor wasn't going to donate a kidney and Zo just coincidentally needed one so he got it.
I love the look on his face when things don't go his way, priceless. I thought he was going to be something back in the day w/ the Hornets when it was him and Larry Johnson and their surrounding cast. Time has passed him and Shaq up and maybe he (Shaq) should may Kirstie Allie, what a couple they'd make, not to mention the "big boned" kids they could make! (Yes I know Shaq is married, I saw his "babys got back" wife at the game the other night too 
)
Originally posted by ESC:
I feel no sympathy for Zo, just like I was glad the Pistons eliminated Mailman last summer. I doubt you'd find any sympathetic Nets or Raptors fans either. Of course he can donate his league minimum Heat salary to charity this season, he pratically stole $10M from Toronto.
Read Sports Guy's latest column for a laugh (his prediction was way off but his impressions are spot on):
"By the way, you're not going to believe this, but Alonzo Mourning just blocked someone's shot, then pumped his fist a few times and acted like an idiot."
Originally posted by ESC:
Here's some Dave Barry...
Dwyane's injury was a huge blow, because he is the Heat's leading scorer AND humblest human being AND People magazine's Most Beautiful Person AND pilot of the team plane. Dwyane also invented penicillin, correctly identified "Deep Throat" four months ago and is batting .438 for the Marlins. He is a god in South Florida. Literally. Many chickens have died in his name.
So anyway, for Game 6, the wounded, undermanned, Dwyane-less Heat not only had to go to Detroit -- which by itself was punishment enough -- but also had to play an actual game, during which everything went wrong. First, Eddie Jones cut his eye; then Alonzo Mourning severely strained his scowl muscle;
Hey ancientsanskrit, I was accepted last week to a school in Ontario, so have to decide in a few days if I'm gonna take it or go to Wayne. Did you get the test results back yet?
Originally posted by ESC:
Hey ancientsanskrit, Did you get the test results back yet?
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
Originally posted by ESC:
Hey ancientsanskrit, Did you get the test results back yet?
yes, he did. and yes, he is your father, and no, he won't be paying any child support.
I'm going to say that McDyess is the "X-factor" in this series. This guy was throw in the scrap heap a couple years ago and now Joe D has given him another chance, that mean something when you at the point he is in this career IMO. Look for Rip to get off early and often, but lets hope that if he doesn't, he passes to an open teamate because its going to take the entire TEAM to win this one. Also, I look for Rasheed to keep his head as its most important at this point and he will step up, trust me!
Originally posted by BP:
SA in 6. this will be a good series though. both teams are very well coached even though brown is a d!ck for negotiating with clevland during the playoffs.
i hope they stomp the stuffn out of detroit.
have you seen the Millie Miglia F20's
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
Larry Brown is a stand up guy BP and he's told our local sports talk guys on every occasion that if the doctors clear him, he'll be back next year to coach the Pistons. I think if he isn't cleared he'll just retire, thats my opinion. BTW BP, how are those rims holding up
... they must be a pia to keep clean though.
Originally posted by Davo:
Home teams win until game 6.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
I've been off about much of the playoffs already so why stop now.
Spurs in 6.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
Originally posted by 04marauder:
I've been off about much of the playoffs already so why stop now.
Spurs in 6.
What a sweet win last night.
Man Ginobli, not Duncan might be MVP if he keeps it up.
SA even put in the Big Dog, shouldn't he be in prison?
I am just kidding. Like I said before Detroits offense doesn't stand a chance against the Spurs D. And Parkers play did them in the first half but Manu rescued them in the second.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Last night, Duncan was MVP. Manu had a nice second half and provided a big spark. But if Duncan goes for 24 and 17, he is the MVP.
Originally posted by Steeda the Ninja!!:
Really Detroits offense against whos defense? You must have missed the First quater when it was 17-4 detroit.
Originally posted by EternalOne:
That's because SA had 8 days off, it took a quarter for them to get their game back.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
How many blocked shots did SA have?
Originally posted by elraido:
Were are all the pistons fans saying that no one can beat them?
Also, it didn't help that Rasheed only took SIX shots in the entire game, maybe he was sleeping Either way, Sundays game will be alot different, trust me. For those of you who don't or didn't follow the Pistons during this playoff run let me tell you something, they play their best ball when their "backs are against the wall", I know its cliche', but its true. Pistons will tie up the series 1-1 on Sunday
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
The Spurs really only beat up on the Pistons in one area, rebounding.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
The Spurs really only beat up on the Pistons in one area, rebounding.
FYI The Spurs also scored more points than the Pistons.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
The Spurs really only beat up on the Pistons in one area, rebounding.
FYI The Spurs also scored more points than the Pistons.
errr...yeah, that too.
The Spurs turned alot of those into points. Either way, this series will get the Pistons their respect, even if they do lose because its going to a great series, period and for that, they'll get their due ...maybe
Originally posted by snakous:
ok this is getting absolutely ridiculous. it seems like everytime the pistons make a decent comeback about 3 terrible calls are made in a row to lead to a quick spurs run to up their lead. dan crawford needs to be kicked in the nuts along with the entire rest of the league's officials. while i agree that the spurs have been the agressor and their lead was earned, the officials seem to have had a nice hand in maintaining the lead or bumping it back up.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by snakous:
ok this is getting absolutely ridiculous. it seems like everytime the pistons make a decent comeback about 3 terrible calls are made in a row to lead to a quick spurs run to up their lead. dan crawford needs to be kicked in the nuts along with the entire rest of the league's officials. while i agree that the spurs have been the agressor and their lead was earned, the officials seem to have had a nice hand in maintaining the lead or bumping it back up.
Don't blame the officials for last night. The Spurs are destroying us in every aspect of the game. The Pistons look absolutely awful and need to pull their heads out of their asses and start playing basketball. The Spurs are playing like last years Pistons. They are everywhere, always in the right spot, always making the tough shot. I think the Pistons would beat any other team in the league, but I am not sure at this point that they have a chance. To win 4 of 5 from the Spurs will be damn near impossible. It's a shame, the Pistons have a team that CAN play with the Spurs, not sure why they are playing so brutally right now.
Much respect to SA.
Originally posted by Davo:
I don't think there's a conspiracy against one team or another, but NBA officiating is generally terrible. It's kind of difficult to develop a game plan that includes a certain style of play when you don't know how close the officials are going to call the game. There were a few times in last night's game where someone drove the lane and got hacked and there was no call, yet there were a lot of ticky-tack fouls called throughout the game.
Having said that, I don't think Rasheed does his team any good by complaining about every single call. According to him, he has never committed a foul in his entire career. Plays like when he nearly broke Ginobili's arm and then flops to the floor in protest when a foul was called don't help the Pistons if they want to get better treatment.
Quote:
Plays like when he nearly broke Ginobili's arm
Originally posted by snakous:
He really didn't even come close to breaking his arm, it was a clean block and he hit his arm on the follow-through. While I wouldn't have flipped out like he did, he had every right to be upset. About 90% of plays where it is blocked and then contact is made after the block are no-calls.
At the point when Hubie Brown counted 7 shots that the Pistons missed within 3 feet of the basket I knew what to expect as I've seen this movie before. I got sooooooooo mad that slammed both hands down on the table and was literally foaming at the mouth yelling, infact, I woke one of my daughters up and got my wife pissed at me, thanks Pistons My wife said that in the 9 years that she's known me she's never heard me get that mad at any sporting event and thats saying alot considering I'm a Lions fan too I'm not off the bandwagon, but does anyone really expect us to win, I don't and thats because they've showed us 0% and thats not going to get it done against anyone, especially a team that can score and play "D". You know its bad when Robert Horry aka Will Smith, goes to hole on the left and right with "Jordan-esque'" moves as well as knocks down 3's 
I hope Joe D has something in mind for next season as we need a shooter, a real 1980's type shooter
Originally posted by elraido:
Geez is everyone in detroit screaming that the officials suck? They are the best refs in the NBA, and they are the ones that normally have a good angle as to what is happening....as opposed to the ONE that people watching it on tv get, unless there is a replay at a different angel. First of all the players for detroit need to stop complaining about how the game is being called and PLAY BASKETBALL. Don't aruge with the ref as the play is going the other way....run you butt down court and contest the shot! Like I have been saying since the playoff started, the Spurs are too deep, and too good on both ends of the court to loose this year. Not to mention that the Pistions are in an extreamly weak confrence, and they should consider themselves lucky for getting to the finals at all because if they were in the West they would have had a very tough time getting out of the first round.
As far as them being in the west and having trouble getting out of the first round, give it a rest already, thats a tired old bit The Pistons would've beaten Houston and/or the Nuggets, do you really watch our team or are you busy making exuses for K.G. up there and his yearly "choke job"
Originally posted by elraido:
I didn't know that 22 pts, 14 rebs, 5 assists, 1.5 blocks and steals a game on a bad leg was choking. Hmmmm. And beating the Nuggets and Huston means that they would have to have been a top seed in the west. They would have been the 4th seed this year in the west, and having to play against the western teams more they would have lost like 5-8 more games. The Twolves on the other hand would have been a 7th seed out east, plus they would have won a few more games because of weekness of the teams...say 3-5. And look at that they would have been a 3 seed. I am not saying that Detroit is a bad team, they won it all last year and the made it again this year. It is just that the west is incredibly stacked and it is extreamly tough to make it into the playoffs.
Originally posted by Ray:
ARGH!! I missed the game!
Spurs were up 27-14 early on, then up by 1 at the half.. what happened after that?!?!??
Who WON?
where's it stand, now?
Ray
Originally posted by SteedaSan:
good game tonight.. This is how the pistions played 99% of the year atleast there playin like the Champions that they are!
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by SteedaSan:
good game tonight.. This is how the pistions played 99% of the year atleast there playin like the Champions that they are!
Uh, the Pistons didn't win 80 games this year.
I saw a fan holding up a sign that said Con-SPUR-acy. Please, you guys really need to get over it.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by SteedaSan:
good game tonight.. This is how the pistions played 99% of the year atleast there playin like the Champions that they are!
Uh, the Pistons didn't win 80 games this year.
I saw a fan holding up a sign that said Con-SPUR-acy. Please, you guys really need to get over it.
Originally posted by SteedaSan:
I don't remember saying they won 80 games? Maybe you need to get over it?
Originally posted by snakous:
Exactly, you saw A fan holding up a sign. Don't generalize everyone. I have been someone who has been saying it's bad officiating because I truly think it is, but don't generalize everyone thinking that.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by SteedaSan:
I don't remember saying they won 80 games? Maybe you need to get over it?
They would have won 80 games if they played like they played tonight during 99% of the regular season. Not sure which team you were watching, but the Pistons kind of sucked early in the season.
Originally posted by SteedaSan:
I don't think it matter how they plaied that the begining of the year?
Originally posted by SteedaSan:
Hows that Basketball team from Neb. Doing lately?
Originally posted by Davo:
The officiating is bad, it's terribly inconsistent. But there is no conspiracy. And there are more fans than that one with the sign that think there's some big NBA conspiracy to make sure the Pistons lose.
Originally posted by livinsvt:
Who's the biased ref?
June 14, 2005
"There's a simple statistic. We're 1-7 with one referee, and we're 11-1 with the rest." ââ?¬â? LARRY BROWN
This time, the Pistons' coach blasted a ref. But which one?
On Monday, Brown blamed part of the Pistons' lack of composure on an unnamed official.
He didn't identify this official.
But if he really feels that way, maybe he should have identified two officials.
Here's the Pistons' playoff record under two refs:
Referee
Pistons' record
Ron Garretson
0-4
Dan Crawford
1-3
Neither
11-1
Note: Garretson and Crawford have not worked a Pistons playoff game together.
Discuss.......
Originally posted by Corbett:
Nobody thinks its a conspiracy for the Spurs to win
Originally posted by Davo:
You Pistons fans need to get on the same page.
Originally posted by Corbett:
Nobody thinks its a conspiracy for the Spurs to win
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Nobody thinks its a conspiracy for the Spurs to win
is a pretty absolute statement. There are people that think this is a conspiracy, so Corbett was wrong.
Ghey much?
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
why do you keep posting insults?
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
so you have no opinion on the officiating then?
Originally posted by Davo:
The officiating is bad, it's terribly inconsistent.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
why do you keep posting insults?
Insults?
Originally posted by Davo:
Ghey much?
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
so you have no opinion on the officiating then?
Originally posted by Davo:
The officiating is bad, it's terribly inconsistent.
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
ok, apparently i need to clarify. what do you think of the correlation between those two officials and the w-l record of the pistons?
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
ok, apparently i need to clarify. what do you think of the correlation between those two officials and the w-l record of the pistons?
I think it's a conspiracy by those two refs to prevent the Pistons from winning.
Last I checked, there were three refs at each game. I could be wrong though.
Originally posted by Davo:
I saw a fan holding up a sign that said Con-SPUR-acy. Please, you guys really need to get over it.
Originally posted by Davo:
I wouldn't think anything of it if the sign didn't reflect what a large portion of the Pistons' fan base thinks.
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
Originally posted by Davo:
I wouldn't think anything of it if the sign didn't reflect what a large portion of the Pistons' fan base thinks.
it does? when did you conduct this poll? what were the results?
Originally posted by Davo:
Are you a part of the Pistons fan base? I think you and others who have participated in this thread reflect the base well. Plus, I've read and heard plenty of comments from both professionals and fans that suggest Pistons fans believe there is, in fact, a Vast Ref Wing Conspiracy.
Originally posted by Davo:
Are you a part of the Pistons fan base? I think you and others who have participated in this thread reflect the base well. Plus, I've read and heard plenty of comments from both professionals and fans that suggest Pistons fans believe there is, in fact, a Vast Ref Wing Conspiracy.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
Originally posted by Davo:
I wouldn't think anything of it if the sign didn't reflect what a large portion of the Pistons' fan base thinks.
it does? when did you conduct this poll? what were the results?
I was typing this same response at the same time. Does that mean we were stereotyping like Davo?
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
if you believe that reading the comments of four or five people on a car forum, and a few media snippets, make for a fair representation of a group of people (i.e. the pistons fan base), you are far less intelligent than you seem.
i think you know better, davo.
Originally posted by Davo:
So...am I wrong? There is no belief in a conspiracy among the Piston's fan base? You're trying to say that it's silly for me to generalize when pretty much every Pistons fan I've encountered thinks there's a conspiracy.
I guess I shouldn't assume that Islamic terrorists might be Arab either.
Originally posted by Davo:
I wouldn't think anything of it if the sign didn't reflect what a large portion of the Pistons' fan base thinks.
Originally posted by Davo:
Are you a part of the Pistons fan base? I think you and others who have participated in this thread reflect the base well. Plus, I've read and heard plenty of comments from both professionals and fans that suggest Pistons fans believe there is, in fact, a Vast Ref Wing Conspiracy.
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
that's not what you said. you are generalizing for the most of the fan base from a very limited sample.
i'll re-quote you so as to spare you the time of trying to say that you never said these things.Originally posted by Davo:
I wouldn't think anything of it if the sign didn't reflect what a large portion of the Pistons' fan base thinks.
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
and your analogy to racial profiling is a very obvious fallacy of questionable analogy. let me re-phrase it for you.
are most islamic terrorist arab? yes. are all arabs terrorists? no.
are most of the people who think there is an officiating conspiracy pistons fans? yes. do all (or most) piston fans think there is a conspiracy? no.
let me know if you need any further assistance with understanding philosophical logic. i'd be happy to tutor you via pm.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Just for clarification, would 5-10% be a large portion? If not, what do you consider a large portion?
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
not even that high. i'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's even seen 100 people who think there is a conspiracy. whats the population of metro detroit alone? 3-4M??? assuming 3M, that's .003 percent. quite the statistical powerhouse.
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
first off, your concept of statistical validity is trash. the media certianly isn't a source of a representative sample. they will only be showing those who are "newsworthy". that plus four people on an internet message board equates to statistical significance? i think not.
Originally posted by Davo:
So are you saying the only conspiracy theorists are those on this internet message board? That would be pretty amazing. I'd then have to research what about CEG makes Detroit Pistons fans think the referees are ganging up on them.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
not even that high. i'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's even seen 100 people who think there is a conspiracy. whats the population of metro detroit alone? 3-4M??? assuming 3M, that's .003 percent. quite the statistical powerhouse.
What is more ridiculous? Me thinking a large portion of Pistons fans think there is a conspiracy, or you thinking the only people that think there is a conspiracy are people that I've encountered?
Originally posted by Davo:Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
first off, your concept of statistical validity is trash. the media certianly isn't a source of a representative sample. they will only be showing those who are "newsworthy". that plus four people on an internet message board equates to statistical significance? i think not.
I'm not sure who said there was a representative sample taken. In fact, I've said specifically otherwise. Representative sample doesn't even apply in these circumstances. So again, if you need any statistics/research methods help, I'd be willing to tutor you via PM.
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
so am i to understand that you consider less than 100 people to consitute a "large portion" as you put it? because 100 out of 3M or more also constitutes a large portion, eh?
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
an analogy:
i've seen 1 C6 ZO6 out of the 1000 corvettes that i have ever seen, therefore, a large portion of corvettes are C6 ZO6's.
see how this is flawed on several levels? not only is it illogical to apply this percentage to all corvettes, it's also a poor example of taking a representative sample of the population of corvettes.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
so am i to understand that you consider less than 100 people to consitute a "large portion" as you put it? because 100 out of 3M or more also constitutes a large portion, eh?
Again (v.23904852 X 10^35), I'm inferring that there is a large portion of Pistons fans who are conspiracy theorists. I've shown throughout this thread that it's not a bad inference to make. If I wanted to get an idea of what percentage of Pistons fans were conspiracy theorists, I would draw a representative sample and survey from there.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
an analogy:
i've seen 1 C6 ZO6 out of the 1000 corvettes that i have ever seen, therefore, a large portion of corvettes are C6 ZO6's.
see how this is flawed on several levels? not only is it illogical to apply this percentage to all corvettes, it's also a poor example of taking a representative sample of the population of corvettes.
It's not flawed, since only a very small number of the Corvettes you've seen have been C6 Z06s. If you had seen 50 or 100/1000, then you could say a large portion of Corvettes are C6s.
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
also, i find it interesting that you keep trying to pull the conversation away from statistics and statistical significance. proper inferences absolutely require statistical evidence including an accurate representation of the population, which also involves percentages. without it, all you have is opinion and specuation. opinion and speculation do not magically become logical inferences without scientific evidence backing them up. no proper statistical representation = no scientific evidence. no scientific evidence = only opinion and specualtion.
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
thank you for recanting on the fact that what you've been claiming as a logical inference is nothing more than opinion. you are certainly entitled to it.
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
i hope you learn to argue without the use of ad hominem attacks some day. the freaks and cooks may look at you as less of an antagonist, and more so an intelligent person with something to discuss.
Originally posted by Davo:
Oh? And what is '...if you need an education in logic I'd be willing to tutor you via PM'?
Don't be so damn defensive, I swear that you act like a large portion of the Pistons fans when someone disagrees with you, and even more so when they actually prove a flaw in your argument.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
mxracercam, did you know that a large portion of Pistons fans throw beers at the Pacers players?
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
mxracercam, did you know that a large portion of Pistons fans throw beers at the Pacers players?
Nice try, completely inapplicable. I've watched countless games at The Palace and there's only been one such incident. So I wouldn't believe what you're saying. I would, however, say a large portion of the people in the first few sections of the stands threw beers at the Pacers players after that game was called.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
none of us are ever completely objective, except for mxracercam, because he hates sports because he is enormously fat.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
This series is crazy. As unbeatable as SA looked in games 1 and 2, the Pistons have looked even better in 3 and 4. 4 Games, 4 blowouts...I'm confused.
Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:
Total shutdown!
Man...what a game! You know you're done when:
1.) Lindsey + Antonio score 30...those guys were outstanding.
2.) Pop is holding your leg and schooling you like a child.
3.) Lindsey dunks
4.) Only four friggin' turnovers
5.) Seven players in double digit numbers
annnndddd...
6.) YEp, Darko scored!
Ben had a helluva game as well. Did you see him nailing those jumpers? Shesh
Can't wait till Sunday's game.
Originally posted by EternalOne:
Just remember all. So far in the series the home team has blown out the other. There's still 3 games to go, and 2 of those are in SA. Sundays game will be the determining factor of whether or not Detroit has a chance of winning.
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Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
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agreed. detroit won't be winning the last two on the road.
Originally posted by akrump47:
DEEEE-TROIT BASKETBALLL!!
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by akrump47:
DEEEE-TROIT BASKETBALLL!!
Sorry, and forgive my political incorrectness, but the public addressor at The Palace is a complete retard. I've never seen a tackier and more stupid starting lineup hypefest. How original is "Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh Ben Waaallllllaaaaccee"?
Originally posted by MxRacerCamXXXL:
iirc, the guy they are talking about is the PA announcer at the palace, not the TV commentary person.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by akrump47:
DEEEE-TROIT BASKETBALLL!!
Sorry, and forgive my political incorrectness, but the public addressor at The Palace is a complete retard. I've never seen a tackier and more stupid starting lineup hypefest. How original is "Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh Ben Waaallllllaaaaccee"?
Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by akrump47:
DEEEE-TROIT BASKETBALLL!!
Sorry, and forgive my political incorrectness, but the public addressor at The Palace is a complete retard. I've never seen a tackier and more stupid starting lineup hypefest. How original is "Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh-Buh Ben Waaallllllaaaaccee"?
Haha well the guys has been doing it for years so really there is no hype. But I wouldnt expect anything less from a guy who obviously hates anything Pistons related.
"N" on the helmet is for Nowledge, right, LOL! Hey Davo, he's a local DJ thats been at it for probably as long as you've been alive and if very respected in the community, so roll of em' Its original and its Mason, period. Maybe you should stop drinkin' that "haterade" and acknowledge, or is it acnowledge the Pistons for what they are going to be....Back to Back Champions! This year theres no getting out of it national media, no soap operas, no exuses, the Pistons are the best team for the 2004-05 season!
Originally posted by Davo:
4. Michigan did not deserve a share of the title in 97.
Originally posted by Davo:
No. Everything since the Bulls has been gh-gh-gh-gh-gh-ghey.
Originally posted by Davo:
One word: AhmanGreen
Oh, who the [censored] is Tim Crouch?
Originally posted by Davo:
Oh, who the [censored] is Tim Crouch?
Go Blow.
Originally posted by Davo:
Kevin Harland isn't bad, but Al Michaels and Hubie Davis make a terrible duo.
Originally posted by Davo:
LMAO @ Newman for thinking Tom Brady is better than Brett Favre.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
It was a good game. I can't believe they allowed Horry to get off so many uncontested shots.
Originally posted by Davo:
One word: TomOsborneScottFrostAhmanGreenGrantWistromJasonPeter
Crushed? No. Good game between the two? Yes.
Oh, who the [censored] is Tim Crouch?
Go Blow.
Who in the hell is Scott Frost, Jack Frosts cousin or something Your coach was a good one, but how about all those convicts on the team, you guys were like the Oakland Raiders of the NCAA!Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
One word...Tom Brady! He was drafted in the 5th round, and now look at him
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
thank God there was no time on the clock when Rasheed pulled a C. Webb (yes, he's a Michigan guy Davo, I know)
Quote:
Scott Frost was a far better college football player than Tom Brady.
and the #1 offense, Payton Manning, who am sure you think is far better QB than Tom Brady, mustarded up a whole THREE points when it counted the most Please, more U of M players go on to greatness in the NFL than Huskers. BTW, your "one word" answer" back a couple posts, typical
) scored 41 points in the Super Bowl last season? Originally posted by Davo:
Are you really trying to argue that Tom Brady was a better college football player than Scott Frost because Tom Brady single-handedly (all by himself, without any help form his teammates
I probably wouldn't say too many Michigan players 'went on to greatness' in the NFL, but even if they did I'm not sure what that has to do with Scott Frost being a better college football player than Tom Brady.
In his ROOKIE year, Magic played guard, forward and center, try that Jordan! Nobody here in the D is going to say that "Rip" is the second coming of anyone, remember Davo, we've had our share of hall of fame guards here in the past 20 years (Isiah and Joe D) and nobody on the roster right now is on their level IMO. As far as the football comments, I don't know how you can say that U of M players haven't gone on to that much greatness:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Roger,
As much as it pains me to admit it. Jordan > anyone.
Originally posted by Davo:
I want to get a GIF of Horry Shawn Bradley-izing Rip Hamilton. I still can't believe he did that.
it would've been different if he did it to sheed. now if you wanna see someone "shawn bradley-ize" people, check out some of tayshaun prince's dunks. but i'll agree that it was a sweet dunk and he picked it up for his team especially tim duncan during his late-game meltdown.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Roger,
As much as it pains me to admit it. Jordan > anyone.
OMG you admitted that someone without Michigan ties is better than someone with Michigan ties. I'm surprised you're not arguing that since Detroit beat Chicago a couple times in the playoffs in the late 80s that that makes Isaiah Thomas and Bill Laimbeer better basketball players than Jordan.
Whew...I was getting worried there, I thought might try to claim Kerry Zavagnin was the best soccer player ever.
Originally posted by 00SVT:
Why you gotta bring Elvis Grbac into the discussion, Roger??? He STINKS.
Originally posted by Steeda da Ninja:
ya your homo!
oh... never you say? then STFU!!
Originally posted by Steeda da Ninja:
ya,
your homo!
Originally posted by Davo:
This picture is awesome:
Originally posted by Steedas Daddy:
Originally posted by Steeda da Ninja:
ya your homo!
oh, i'm sorry to have offended you, jason. when did you go there again?
Originally posted by Steeda da Ninja:
Originally posted by Steedas Daddy:
Originally posted by Steeda da Ninja:
ya your homo!
oh, i'm sorry to have offended you, jason. when did you go there again?
Give it time! I won't be going to U of M for some weak ass degree in General Business like you got from state!
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by Steeda da Ninja:
ya,
your homo!
There... I fixed your response.
Originally posted by Steedas Daddy:
Originally posted by Steeda da Ninja:
Originally posted by Steedas Daddy:
Originally posted by Steeda da Ninja:
ya your homo!
oh, i'm sorry to have offended you, jason. when did you go there again?
Give it time! I won't be going to U of M for some weak ass degree in General Business like you got from state!
try psychology, mr. itt tech.
Originally posted by rkneeshaw3.0:
Detroit in 7.
Originally posted by Davo:
This picture is awesome:
Originally posted by rkneeshaw3.0:
Detroit in 7.
Originally posted by EternalOne:
Originally posted by rkneeshaw3.0:
Detroit in 7.
Do you seriously think Detroit has a snowballs chance in hell of winning two straight in San Antonio, despite not winning there the last 10 times they played there, and that SA only lost 3 games at home the entire season?
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
Do you seriously think Detroit has a snowballs chance in hell of winning two straight in San Antonio, despite not winning there the last 10 times they played there, and that SA only lost 3 games at home the entire season?
Originally posted by Corbett:
Am I the only one who thought Bill Walton was being a complete moron by saying Detroit was playing horribly and trash talking them at half time when they were TIED with the Spurs. That guy is an absolute tool.
Originally posted by johnwilliams474:
i say go spurs go in san antonio we have a deal with dimond shamrock the morning after we get free coffie
Originally posted by Davo:
Plus with everyone saying they're certain to win, the Spurs may take this game for granted. History can show what happens when teams do that. I think Popp is better than to let that happen to his team, but we'll have to see for sure.
Originally posted by Corbett:
Am I the only one who thought Bill Walton was being a complete moron...
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
7 consecutive bad calls. Maybe a 4th ref should be added.
to the masses of people on here who said even if the Pistons won the east they wouldnt stand a chance against the Spurs. Well, once again you guys were wrong and Detroit lives to prove all you critics wrong. Yes, I know there is still one game left but all of you made it sound like it was going to be a blowout and it has been anything but.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Originally posted by EternalOne:
Originally posted by rkneeshaw3.0:
Detroit in 7.
Do you seriously think Detroit has a snowballs chance in hell of winning two straight in San Antonio, despite not winning there the last 10 times they played there, and that SA only lost 3 games at home the entire season?
E1
Do you honestly think they don't? It's not likely, but it certainly not out of the realm of possibilities. Detroit is a damn good team.
Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:
Wowwwww....Didn't knwo officiating could be that biased. Talk about bad calls, lack of calls, and ridiculous calls. I'm sorry, but that was just pathetic.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
Impressive win for D. Proved me wrong - again.
I didn't think they would get past game six.
SA blew a golden opportunity and now its anyones series.
I don't know who looks worse at the free throw line, Duncan or Shaq.
And you can't blame any distractions by the opposing team.
His shot just looks like a brick when he's at the line. Its painful to watch.
I wish people would stop complaining about the refs though.
You won the game so why not let that go.
And its pretty much been agreed by all anyway that the refs do suck.
I geuss its easy to complain though when the players and coach for Detroit do it so much.
To the point where they're getting fined and talking about conspiracies and such.
Game 7 could be a classic in the making.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
SA blew a golden opportunity and now its anyones series.
You've got to be kidding me, the city council was planning the parade for Thursday and you don't think thats going to get out, come on now! They were also getting the riot police together, what!, I thought only Detroit rioted I like this stat..."Pistons haven't won in S.A. since April 2nd, 1997". The first thing that came to mind was when they said the Pistons at the time (1990) hadn't won in Portland since 1977 and look what happened there Hell, even last year when NO team had ever won the 3 games back to back in the 2-3-2 format and look what happened there too Its cliche' but throw everything out the window for tomorrows game and win, lose or draw its been a great series and hopefully the national media will finally give us our due, w/o the exuses like Shaq vs. Kobe, the "mailman" being hurt, blah, blah, blah
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
hopefully the national media will finally give us our due,
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
hopefully the national media will finally give us our due,
The "everybody's picking on me" act gets old after a while.
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
hopefully the national media will finally give us our due,
The "everybody's picking on me" act gets old after a while.
Originally posted by Corbett:
So does the "I hate everything Detroit/Pistons related" act.
Originally posted by MxRacerCam the Ninja:
when does football start back up again?
i may actually watch game seven.
Originally posted by Newmadamus:
Kidding aside, Hubie and Al need to stop making every play seem like it changed the game. Robert Horry hits a three "Horry just continues to dominate the 4th quarter of games, he is unstoppable and the Pistons can't contain him"
chauncey makes a three: "This guys is taking over this game!"
Duncan half hook: "Duncan is the greatest, spurs will win!"
Rasheed putback: "That is the turning point in this game"
ughh...
Originally posted by Davo:
Who is engaged in that act?
Originally posted by Davo:
The "everybody's picking on me" act gets old after a while.
)
Originally posted by Corbett:
Do I really have to answer this?
Originally posted by Corbett:Originally posted by Davo:
The "everybody's picking on me" act gets old after a while.
Who is engaged in that act?
Originally posted by Davo:
Roger, for one, as well as a LARGE PORTION of Pistons Nation.
Originally posted by Davo:
Roger, for one, as well as a LARGE PORTION of Pistons Nation. The whole "We don't get no respect" thing is laughable if Rodney Dangerfield isn't saying it.
Originally posted by ancientsanskrit:
Also, Dave, c'mon man, you should know better! You're seeing a bad sampling frame and making an observation. Most Pistons fans don't think that the respect is long overdue. It's just obvious that team won the championship last year and got this far this year, what more respect do you need from that?
Originally posted by Corbett:
Actually I haven't heard one person say anoyone is "picking on us" However, I have hear people complain about unfair calls and the media being biased towards the Spurs. Which both are absolutely true.
Originally posted by Corbett:
And to answer your question, YOU are the one who is anti Detroit/Pistons. You've made that very clear in your past posts.
Originally posted by Davo:
Everyone's insistence that SA has this in the bag seems halfway ridiculous. Yeah, it's two games in San Antonio, but if they can somehow steal Game 6 then they have the momentum and place the pressure on San Antonio going into Game 7. They've proven they can win crucial games on the road (Game 7 vs. Miami), so I don't think it's a complete lock for the Spurs. Plus with everyone saying they're certain to win, the Spurs may take this game for granted. History can show what happens when teams do that. I think Popp is better than to let that happen to his team, but we'll have to see for sure.
Originally posted by Davo:
Pistons played a hell of a game too. Ben Wallace was spectacular.
Quote:
I don't hate the Pistons, but their fans are rather tiresome. If we had Spurs fans in here being ridiculous, they'd also get called out.
Originally posted by Davo:
But I did say the Pistons fans are bandwagoners and complainers. This thread has done well to prove that.
Originally posted by Davo:
Well the thread more or less proves the latter (the complaining). As far as bandwagoneering, you'd have to look at this forum historically. However I will say the Pistons fans seem to talk more after a win than a loss.
Originally posted by Davo:
So if you're not, why does it bother you to be called one?
Originally posted by Davo:
I'm a White Sox fan, and despite them being 26 games over .500 with the best record in baseball and steamrolling pretty much everyone, the Yankees and Red Sox dominate the first 20 minutes of Baseball Tonight and the headlines every day. Am I complaining about a 'lack of respect'? No
Again, who cares what anyone else thinks of your team? Just be glad that your team is winning and STFU. Pistons != Rodney Dangerfield.
Originally posted by MxRacerCam the Ninja:
the way you write
seems very poetry like.
a new line for every sentence
makes me want to eat paste.
And thank you for the kind words.That really is the nicest thing anyone has said about my writing since I used to do it for a living. Thank God I had good editors though. What does paste taste like anyway?Is this a little easier to read?
Originally posted by 04marauder:
Originally posted by MxRacerCam the Ninja:
the way you write
seems very poetry like.
a new line for every sentence
makes me want to eat paste.
LMAO.Hey MX Ninja man.See lines one and six of my last post.
Davo, you don't live hear and don't know what we go through here, so zip it We had one bad incident back in 1984 when the Tigers won the World Series and we're always called "Riot Town", so just zip it already and go do some cow tipping
Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
San Antonio is going to win game 7. Detroit will lead the first half, but the Spurs will pull away in the 4th. Duncan looks like he is experiencing anxiety attacks or something, really not typical of him. The Spurs will rediscover their outside game on Thursday.
Originally posted by Trapps:
Congrats to SA. They deserved it. Still, I'm thoroughly bummed.
To ease the pain I'm going late night on-line parts shopping for a car don't actually own yet.
OT: http://homepage.mac.com/barrysharp/Movies/iMovieTheater98.html
Great year Pistons, certainly a classic season and a plyoffs for the history books!
Originally posted by Davo:
Awesome Game 7! You can't help but have love for both teams. Detroit is probably the best Finals-losing team since the 98 Jazz, maybe even further back than that. I hope Brown stays and they can put up next year. I'd love to see a rivalry develop between these two teams.
Originally posted by Plain ole' todras:
Now maybe I can get some sleep. I'm still bummed. Was a great series and I still think the refs are biased.
THIS ISN'T why we lost, the better team in game #7 won the game and the series to go along with it.
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
As far as the refs go, well, Rasheed had 4 going into the half and Duncan had ZERO, hmmm