what the hell did i miss again?
everytime im out for a couple of days something krazy happens.
can someone tell me what led to this?

Originally posted by Quicksilver:

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After all this time of bickering and senseless arguments between various people of our Chicago CEG, I have come to the conclusion that the only way this club can function is for us to work out the differences we have between various members here.

I apologize in advance if I am wrong, but it is my conclusion that the following people need to mend their relationships:

1) Mike and Little Joe
2) Big Joe and Charlie
3) Kevin and Little Joe
4) Big Joe and Ron

(If you feel that more names should be on this list, please add them)

As I said, IF THIS IS INCORRECT, THEN I APOLOGIZE FOR WRITING YOUR NAMES IN THERE!!!

However, if this is true, than there needs to be a group meet in which we can all talk this over, and when the people that do not see eye to eye can repair their relationships.

I feel that this club simply cannot go on like this anymore. When we attack each other, not only here, but in other forums, and thereby present this ugly picture of us being a bunch of idiots, we need to do something about it.

I want to be in a club that has members supporting each other, and being friends, not talking behind each others backs or whatnot.

Until we can have this meeting, discussion or whatever you like to call it, I am withdrawing from any and all activities of this club.

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Rant on/

Flame suit on/ I think that all of you are acting like childish babies. You guys are supposed to be adults and all I see posted is he did this and he did that. Stop all of your crying and act like adults. Flame suit off/


The CCeg cannot continue to harbour these feelings about certain members. And you guys wonder why people never show up to meets. We lack unity and we better find it soon before some people just get sick of the [censored] and go elsewhere. Like it was stated earlier by Milan, if we keep acting like this we will continue to be the laughing stock of the Ceg.



Rant off/

Originally posted by Quicksilver:

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I am withdrawing from any and all activities of this club.

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You know, I have no problem being "withdrawn" from this group. I've got my own friends and when I do read this forum it is for entertainment purposes only.(read: Soap Opera) Try it. You might like the new perspective.

Adrian, this has been happening long before you joined the group. It is always easier to run away from problems, than face them head on. But that is exactly what we have to do.

If you have your own friends, that is totally fine. We just have to remember that this is still our club, and that the interpersonal communications have to improve for it to get better.

I started this topic to get us to brainstorm on how to improve all of this, not to be used as a weapon to destroy the club.

We need to fix this, and fix it now!!

Ok, just to add. I think I would be more inclined to attend a meet if it was more 'Tour oriented. From my perspective, the CCEG is just 4 or 5 guys who get together and BS about chit that nobody else can relate to. Hell, 95% of what goes on in this forum is inside info that the other 300(or whatever) members of the CCEG don't have a clue about. All I ever see are meets at Hooters or "chili and football". I can do that with my buds whenever I want. I'm not about to drive to Dekalb for some chili with a group of guys that are dysfunctional and seem to care more about "mud wrestling girls" than working on cars together. That's my perspective and my 2 cents and I don't need a d@mn flame suit because this is the internet and I don't give a chit what somebody on the other computer thinks about me. By the way, I'm cool as hell, my girlfriends hot and my car rocks.

Edit: Milan, the point is, I've been a "member" of this "club" for many years. I'm betting longer than most of the members here and probably you as well. I've seen the CCEG turn from nothing into something and just as it got good it disintegrated into the soap opera that we now see and you are so determined to fight against. I respect you for that, I really do. Hopefully I will respect this club enough to make it to a meet someday. I guess we'll see.

The BS happens only online when we are facing an impersoanl screen. I know I have done my share of ranting that I wouldn't have done in person. Many things are misunderstood, especially little " 's". When we went to Spring Zing we had a good time.

The DC, Canada, Michigan, and NYC groups get along, we should be able to also.

I don't know if I have room to speak...But hell Phil said something and he's got a Focus.

I've only been to one meet, and I met a hell of a lot more than 4 or 5 guys. And as much as I do enjoy mud wrestling I don't think that topic was brought up much. As far as the chili and football meet, thats what is planned, a chili and football meet. The meet I went to was a BBQ, and I had a chance to drool leftover BBQ sauce all over Hectors car (mainly just drooled on the headers though, I'm sure it's sizzled off by now)There have been Mod meets, when it's just about the cars, and no matter what kinda meet you go to it's about the Tours, and I've seen the pics to prove it.

And thats my .02 dealing with CCEG, I don't know you all that well, but I love you all like you're my Daddies....And none of you are (I hope)

I think it would be cool as hell for this group to be as tight as some of the others. I definately think it has the potential. Like I said, I've never been to a meet so the only perspective I have is from my computer. I think we can all agree that the online presence of this group is not very impressive and with that perspective I've never felt the urge to make it to a meet where, from what I hear, is when the true(cool) nature of the group comes out. But I can't tell that from all the bickering that goes on online. I love my car. I fell in love with the contour when I first saw it in 1994. I'm interested in chilling with people that feel the same way but I sure as heck don't need to deal with some of the things that go on in here. If the CCEG makes a turn for the better I would love to meet each and every one of you. I've already met a couple and if the rest of you are as "normal" and cool as they are then that would be tight. Don't get me wrong, I wish for the best and you won't find me contributing to the downfall of the CCEG.

Talk to you all tomorrow.

Here's my $0.02. You'll get your change in a minute

I've never been to a Chicago meet. I've been trying to get a meet going in my area, but to no avail. I know there are CEGers nearby because I've seen the CEG stickers in a couple windows.

What I'm finding is that it's hard to get meets organized. I give props to the guys 90 miles south who actually do get together, even if its just to watch mud wrestling. Social meets can be just as fun as car-oriented meets.

I can't comment on the inter-personal relationships, as I avoid flame fests as best I can. Once I get my rebuilt tranny next week I'd actually like to travel down and see what a meet is all about in Chi-town. I know with the cold months coming up that we probably won't spend much time under hoods outside, but still, I think it'd be good to meet some CEG'ers and swap stories.

Originally posted by AdrianCarrion:

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Edit: Milan, the point is, I've been a "member" of this "club" for many years. I'm betting longer than most of the members here and probably you as well. I've seen the CCEG turn from nothing into something and just as it got good it disintegrated into the soap opera that we now see and you are so determined to fight against. I respect you for that, I really do. Hopefully I will respect this club enough to make it to a meet someday. I guess we'll see.

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I got you confused with another person...

In case it has been overlooked, I would like to reiterate something:

I have been a member of CEG since June 9th of last year. I have dedicated a better part of my free time to the bettering of this club. I deem this club to be a part of my life, and that is how it is.

There is no doubt that some may think of this as pathetic or simply put a sorry statement. That is fine with me. As a metter of fact, you can come to me and tell it to me in my face. I would not mind!

On the other hand, I will stop at nothing to see that this club remains respected, and any situation that arises that endangers this will be tackled.

When it comes to CCEG, I am an extremist. I do not want to hear that we are just a bunch of guys with cars. If someone has something against this sort of dedication, that that is too bad, for if you are not a participating and willing member of this club, then the real question is why are you here in the first place.

When we are together at meets, we are the tightest group that there is in the CEG. This was evidenced in SZ, when we held center court for most of the time there. However, as soon as it is taken to the boards, somehing unusual happens: WE EAT EACH OTHER!!! WHY?!?!

I am tired of people asking me why are we so crazy? I am tired of people using us as the example of absurdity and nonsense. What is so difficult in getting along?

I ask all of us to please have a meeting and bring anything that was ever a problem into the open. Only if we face the interpersonal problems will we find a solution.

Until we can do this, there is always going to be tension. Person A will boycott a meet because person B told them this; Person C will boycott another meet because person D told them that; Person E will boycott another meet because person F told them another thing...

We have all seen this happen more times than you think. It needs to stop. All we will do is repel possible members and cause the existing ones to leave in shame...

Im not apart of CCEG but since i do live in the UP of michigan i guess where all apart of the Same region type thing.. I used to live in KC and we where all tight there and had a bunch of meets. If we ever had a misunderstanding we talked about it like adults not like little kids. Some Day i would love to Maybe get together with you guys if my SVT is ever done. IM not saying whats happening to it cuase You will throw the bullshit flag but when im done ill let everyone know.

But anyway, You all seem like a pretty cool bunch and hopefully I can meet up with some of you. I know i have seen a bunch of you on 294 and 94 when i have been going there chicago.
Thats just my thoughts.
sorry if you didnt' want it

I really don't get it. This is really absurd. The point is the arguments may never stop; there will be disagreements. It is only human nature. But why must everybody act like asses and type the BS on the CEG forums? Everybody knows everybody elses IM so why not take it there if you have an argument? It is very disrespecting to Kevin or me take out the childish BS on the "Chicago" section or what happened at the Zetec section. That makes us look worse. Plus that puts Kevin in me in the spotlight even if we were never involved in the actual flamefest. To me it is very selfish. To me it is only thinking about yourselves, not the CCEG, the club(or organization)that we all represent and love. So next time you have a disagreement take it off the forums. I really believe if this keeps going on......people will get banned.

Originally posted by Quicksilver:

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I apologize in advance if I am wrong, but it is my conclusion that the following people need to mend their relationships:
3) Kevin and Little Joe

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I didn't know kev and I had any problems?
kev do we???
I know kev would of been even happier if hector would of come by by house after the dyno for 3 cds I have waiting for kevin but I don't think he would be too mad about it.

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

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Originally posted by Quicksilver:

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I apologize in advance if I am wrong, but it is my conclusion that the following people need to mend their relationships:
3) Kevin and Little Joe

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I didn't know kev and I had any problems?
kev do we???
I know kev would of been even happier if hector would of come by by house after the dyno for 3 cds I have waiting for kevin but I don't think he would be too mad about it.

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Speaking of it, were'nt you supposed to make me a copy of photoshop and illustrator?

Originally posted by 2000v6SE:

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The BS happens only online when we are facing an impersoanl screen. I know I have done my share of ranting that I wouldn't have done in person. Many things are misunderstood, especially little " 's". When we went to Spring Zing we had a good time.

The DC, Canada, Michigan, and NYC groups get along, we should be able to also.

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problem is there are too many people who are too quick to than to sit back look at what was really said or ment by the post. and some people just don't know how to joke around.

Originally posted by bk4293:

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I don't know if I have room to speak...But hell Phil said something and he's got a Focus.

I've only been to one meet, and I met a hell of a lot more than 4 or 5 guys. And as much as I do enjoy mud wrestling I don't think that topic was brought up much. As far as the chili and football meet, thats what is planned, a chili and football meet. The meet I went to was a BBQ, and I had a chance to drool leftover BBQ sauce all over Hectors car (mainly just drooled on the headers though, I'm sure it's sizzled off by now)There have been Mod meets, when it's just about the cars, and no matter what kinda meet you go to it's about the Tours, and I've seen the pics to prove it.

And thats my .02 dealing with CCEG, I don't know you all that well, but I love you all like you're my Daddies....And none of you are (I hope)

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you have every right to post your opinion weather you drive a ford or a dare I say it a honda.

I would hardly call the last "mod" meet a mod meet we did the door ding gard removal on ron's car and Joe did he fog light mod to a few cars... goto focaljet and look at what they do when they have a mod meet the actually do engine work at a mod meet. granted most people on here don't want others to know what they are doing under the hood which is cool with me.

Originally posted by AdrianCarrion:

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But I can't tell that from all the bickering that goes on online.

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which would be solved if it was taken to AIM or email... my aim ID is right there in my sig and my email address is right there in my profile along with alot of other peoples.

Someone likes to post!

Originally posted by Hector:

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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

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Originally posted by Quicksilver:

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I apologize in advance if I am wrong, but it is my conclusion that the following people need to mend their relationships:
3) Kevin and Little Joe

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I didn't know kev and I had any problems?
kev do we???
I know kev would of been even happier if hector would of come by by house after the dyno for 3 cds I have waiting for kevin but I don't think he would be too mad about it.

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Speaking of it, were'nt you supposed to make me a copy of photoshop and illustrator?

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speaking of which did I say I would do that after the dyno? well someone was eager to get home... I wonder who that was... OOH wait I know..... it was hec wait let me think tor yes that's it hector guess you will have to get them next time you are out this way...

I should send my bro out that way. He practically lives in Naperville; he is out there every night.

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

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granted most people on here don't want others to know what they are doing under the hood which is cool with me.

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That is another huge problem here. Who gives a crap who has what under their hood. For God sakes we are in the same club!!!

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

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granted most people on here don't want others to know what they are doing under the hood which is cool with me.

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That is another huge problem here. Who gives a crap who has what under their hood. For God sakes we are in the same club!!!

Originally posted by Quicksilver:

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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

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granted most people on here don't want others to know what they are doing under the hood which is cool with me.

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That is another huge problem here. Who gives a crap who has what under their hood. For God sakes we are in the same club!!!

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Milan its a old car thing my father tought me NEVER give all your secrets otherwise everybody would all be just as fast

on the other hand i'm ALWAYS willing to help anybody with work since i do know how..

Originally posted by Quicksilver:

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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

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granted most people on here don't want others to know what they are doing under the hood which is cool with me.

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That is another huge problem here. Who gives a crap who has what under their hood. For God sakes we are in the same club!!!

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I agree 100%!! What's the point of a club if you are going to hide what you've got from other members. A club should be here to help each other and ooo and ahh over what is going on and say "D@mn Dude!, that is cool as hell!" or "you know what? I tried this last month and it worked 200% better this way." I club should be supportive. Hide what you've got from other clubs but not from your own club! We should use each others knowledge and experience to lift the club up as a whole. If I knew everything about these cars I would be the first to offer up the info but I don't. That's why I'm in the CEG in the first place, to gain information. If I happen to make a few friends in the process than that would be great. If not, no biggie. Some of you have become friends though, and losing friendships suck so why chance it? Keep the bickering off line and you might make some more friends.
Again, my opinion from my perspective.

ack! i have trouble seeing what everyone gets so mad about in here, we're all friends, right? lets keep it that way!

meets are fun and always more car-oriented than anything else (havent been to one in a while though!) when im there i always have a good time (showing off )


peace!

mark

Most meets are more than 4-5 guys and we do like to talk about what we did to our cars. I learn something new every meet.

I post in other car message boards and people get real emotional about their car tastes, like sports teams.

FYI: Clubs for Mustangs, Falcons and even Chevy Corvairs have been around since the 60's and they are like families. I seen pics of meets with whole clans attending, not just the car guys. Could learn a few things from them.

Again, online it's easy to say "&^%$#**", but at a meet it's all fine.

I say if you start a flame war, pick up the phone and call each other and settle it.

Originally posted by 2000v6SE:

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Most meets are more than 4-5 guys and we do like to talk about what we did to our cars. I learn something new every meet.

I post in other car message boards and people get real emotional about their car tastes, like sports teams.

FYI: Clubs for Mustangs, Falcons and even Chevy Corvairs have been around since the 60's and they are like families. I seen pics of meets with whole clans attending, not just the car guys. Could learn a few things from them.

Again, online it's easy to say "&^%$#**", but at a meet it's all fine.

I say if you start a flame war, pick up the phone and call each other and settle it.

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Very good point, Tom.

so there is a problem with hot girls getting 99% naked and mud wrestling? umm ok... i wont share my stories since it bugs people... on a side note...should i start saying what i think... naw forget it.. too much drama here. regardless, i dont have a problem with anyone here or the CEG in general... just some people lie, talk to much BS ect... im sure some people dont like the way i say things or whatever.. thats the way i am.. dont like it, oh well.. there is one thing i will say... some people post i cant believe this or that is said about him or her... those peeps saying that are the same ones cracking jokes when those people arent around... only difference between me and those peeps is ill say it online or to the persons face... ah well, long live the pointless drama on CCEG

drama.

Originally posted by mikey boy:

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drama.

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save the drama fo yo mama

As an "over 30 oldie" I've seen a lot of stuff like this with buddies and families. It is usaully blown over.
The "big flame war" ended with guys apologizing, so there is no "problem" that I see anymore. (I hope)

Anyway, wait another month and maybe can try to get a meet in before winter. And remember, we had great turn out for "winter meets" last January and February. Kevin had 10-15 or so in March, so I don't think C-CEG is "over". No way!

i like looking at the hooters girls nipples when its cold outside

Originally posted by 2000v6SE:

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The "big flame war" ended with guys apologizing, so there is no "problem" that I see anymore. (I hope)

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i was thinking the same thing

Originally posted by svtnos:

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i like looking at the hooters girls nipples when its cold outside

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Do you see what they mean, talking about nipples on the board just isn't right, and as a loyal CCEG member I am requesting....No, I am demanding that if you have any proof of this (like pics) you surrender them immediately!!!

To surender the pics of hooter girls in cold weather E-mail them to me at ilikenips@chilihootergirls.org I will make sure they are dealt with in the proper manner

Originally posted by bk4293:

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Originally posted by svtnos:

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i like looking at the hooters girls nipples when its cold outside

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Do you see what they mean, talking about nipples on the board just isn't right, and as a loyal CCEG member I am requesting....No, I am demanding that if you have any proof of this (like pics) you surrender them immediately!!!

To surender the pics of hooter girls in cold weather E-mail them to me at ilikenips@chilihootergirls.org I will make sure they are dealt with in the proper manner

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lmfao, uhh we need a meet when its like 40 degrees outside, get the hooter girls out to take pics of my freshly painted tour. o yea as well as everyone elses.

Originally posted by 2000v6SE:

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As an "over 30 oldie" I've seen a lot of stuff like this with buddies and families. It is usaully blown over.
The "big flame war" ended with guys apologizing, so there is no "problem" that I see anymore. (I hope)

Anyway, wait another month and maybe can try to get a meet in before winter. And remember, we had great turn out for "winter meets" last January and February. Kevin had 10-15 or so in March, so I don't think C-CEG is "over". No way!

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Just because this is resolved it doesn't mean it won't happen again. It shouldn't happen in the first place.

Yes, but then maybe they can get to know each other better, enough to not let things get out of hand.

2) Big Joe and Charlie
3) Kevin and Little Joe


these are not problems and never have been .....

Originally posted by HisSvt:

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2) Big Joe and Charlie
3) Kevin and Little Joe


these are not problems and never have been .....

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actually thet kevin guy is a real tool... always wanting me to get things for the computer for him.... Just kidding kevin... BTW there is something waiting for you kevin I will give you one hint... ut2003
hummmmmm me wonders what it is

Jeez are we going to start this again.

start what

Originally posted by HisSvt:

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start what

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Oh nothing.