Injector cleaning where?

I'd pass on the TerraClean system. The MotorVac system is MUCH better for around the same price (I paid 110$ in Montreal).

I tried the Terraclean (after I had conveinced the guys at another garage that they could do it on a Volvo.) I cleaned the injectors afterwards out of the engine, they weren't very clean.

BTW: when I got my latest Mystique (I'm at my third), I had it go through a Motorvac after doing a full tuneup (with Autolite plugs), I gained an extra 100Kms per tank with the Motovac. And this was in the winter time.

I'll try to find the link to the injector cleaning on the Brickboard (the CEG for Volvo guys)

Thanks for your input, I have booked my cleaning for Thursday at 6:30pm.

Where?

Active Green and Ross does Motorvac cleaning and for $99.95 + tax.
So now I get the best cleaning and for $20.00 less money.
Thanks therouer.

BTW
Master Mechanic uses TerraClean and $130.00 + Tax.
CT TerraClean $120 + tax.

hmmm.... maybe I should look into this, as my mileage has gone down about 50 to 100kms in the past year.

Originally posted by 98cont-UoG-FSAE:
hmmm.... maybe I should look into this, as my mileage has gone down about 50 to 100kms in the past year.

Odd so has mine. Almost exactly the same amount too.

I can't wait to see if this helps I got 220km 70% city 30% Hwy on this last tank.
That's about normal for my Tour.
Maybe, just maybe, my tail pipes won't be black after 1 week of driving.

Originally posted by chongo:
I can't wait to see if this helps I got 220km 70% city 30% Hwy on this last tank.
That's about normal for my Tour.
Maybe, just maybe, my tail pipes won't be black after 1 week of driving.

It can only go up from there. One can hope anyways.

Anyone have a linkie to the Motorvac process?

Originally posted by chongo:
I can't wait to see if this helps I got 220km 70% city 30% Hwy on this last tank.
That's about normal for my Tour.
Maybe, just maybe, my tail pipes won't be black after 1 week of driving.

I think you have some other issues as well Jeff, O2's maybe.

Originally posted by GapBoyPCS:
Anyone have a linkie to the Motorvac process?

Is this done with the injectors in the car or can they be removed? Like Rich said I'd like some info on the process. Also can they be cleaned out of the engine?

From my understanding, Motorvac is done with everything in the car.

Originally posted by GapBoyPCS:
Anyone have a linkie to the Motorvac process?

I found this one last night.
I know it's from 1996, but gave me a good idea.
Motorvac cleaning

Originally posted by SVTCANUK:
I think you have some other issues as well Jeff, O2's maybe.

I thought of that too, but with them switching properly and I beleive in range, then I would rather get the cleaning done for $100, then spend $260 on O2's and still have the problem.

Motorvac cleans intake, injectors, O2's, Cats, etc, as it runs throught the systems.

I found this on the Motorvac:

"Time for a Tune-up?
Time to Try MotorVac
Do the fuel injectors need tune-ups?
Until 1995 I always said no. Then A representative from Snap on Tools showed me a MotorVac Machine. We had a 1994 Ford Escort in the shop that had been to the dealer a number of times for the same problem. It had a miss at idle. We diagnosed it as a bad injector. The Snap on Tools representative asked us to try the MotorVac before replacing the injector. We did and when the job was done for a third of the original quoted price, and We acquired a happy new customer and a new Motorvac machine. They retail for around $5500 so you won't find it in most shops. I recommend cleaning them every 10,000 miles 0r 12 months. The price of a cleaning ranges from $80 to $150. I wouldn't have my shop without one.
This MotorVac machine cleans the air plenum, throttle body and plates, air bypass valve, injectors, carburators, intake valves, combustion chambers, oxygen sensor and catalytic converters...without having to remove any engine components. A CarbonClean system cleans the entire air intake, fuel system and exhaust system, fuel rail and the injector screens. It is the only fuel injector cleaner that does this. I call it "god 2" (with a lower g). It never fails to amaze me, and it comes with a "money back guarantee"!
I've compared it to other machines and injector cleaners and theirs don't come close. The additives that are sold to â�?��?clean injectors by adding to the gasâ�?� only bring all the junk to the injectors. Leave the junk in your tank just clean the injectors.

The MCS245 is the first gasoline engine system of its kind to clean the entire fuel system. When used with the proprietary MotorVac CarbonClean Fuel System cleaning detergents, the MCS245 cleans the air plenum, throttle body and plates, air bypass valve, injectors, carburators, intake valves, combustion chambers, oxygen sensor and catalytic converters...without having to remove any engine components. A CarbonClean system cleans the entire air intake, fuel system and exhaust system.
A MotorVac CarbonClean service will help your engine function more efficiently by unclogging accumulated carbon deposits from fuel injectors and other engine components."

Taken from the 700-900 Faq on www.brickboard.com (the Volvo equivalent to the CEG)
Problems With Valve and Injector Deposits. [Motor Magazine, Dec 2002] As a vehicle approaches higher mileage, you can generally expect intake valve deposits (IVDs) and injector deposits. Their onset can vary widely, depending on driving conditions. Engine operating temperature, intake manifold gas speed (rpm) and hot soak cycles are some of the critical operating parameters affecting these deposits. To lubricate an intake valve, tiny amounts of oil have to run down the valve stem. Over time, this oil is deposited and heated on the intake side of the valve, forming a carbon cone. This has multiple effects on the intake event. The carbon changes the aerodynamics of the intake event - causing higher gas speed and a change in the direction of intake and swirl - which affects the combustion process. The IVDs also act like a sponge, creating a delay in fuel control. This delay not only creates a temporary enleanment on acceleration but also causes a temporary enrichment on deceleration. When the throttle is closed, the intake manifold vacuum goes high, pulling the fuel out of the carbon sponge. This affects fuel control. When the engine is shut off, a small amount of liquid fuel is left on the tips of the injectors; this fuel evaporates and leaves behind solids that were originally dissolved in the fuel). Eventually, these deposits cause an injector to act like a squirt gun rather than an atomizer. Aggressive drivers and drivers with long highway drive cycles may not have deposit issues until very high mileages. Stop & go drivers, especially delivery drivers with many hot-soak cycles, are more likely to experience deposit problems sooner.

This explains the effects of carbon.

Injectors can be "bench" cleaned. There's a how-to that I found for Volvos that might work for the Contiques. However, I would do the Motorvac first. If there's a problem with still leaking injectors, I would bench clean them. This was fairly popular with the Volvos, but keep in mind that the 740/760 Volvos can be 20 years old with several hundred thousand miles on the cars.

Wow, I just realized that I'm getting long winded.

I hope that all of this helps.?

Eric...

I have mine done every spring and it always makes a difference in how the car runs. Seems to smooth things out and such. Definately a worthwhile investment.

Laura

I'm so anxious to get this done, this is how a kid at Christmas must feel waiting for the time to open their presents. I wouldn't know as.... well you know why..

I just can't wait until tomorrow night at 7:30pm when I drive out of the shop....
You guys are killing me with more knowledge....

I had it done, but I am not 100 % sure that it was the Motorvac. I might get it done again. I think Campbell Ford here in town has it......

Let's do a group visit!!

Where are you going Chongo? ie. which Green & Ross?

Originally posted by LBVSVT:
Let's do a group visit!!

Where are you going Chongo? ie. which Green & Ross?

Sounds tempting

Hmm I am very interested. Where is this place? Ottawa?
I need to do something with the gas prices near 1.00 and I am only getting 375km a tank. Mostly city.

Originally posted by LBVSVT:
Let's do a group visit!!

Where are you going Chongo? ie. which Green & Ross?

I'm going to the one at Dundas and Annette in downtown Toronto.
You need to make an appointment for the service as it takes 1 hour.
The shop closes at 8pm and I'm the last appointment on Thursday.

To find the green and ross closest to you: http://www.activegreenandross.com/

Originally posted by chongo:

Originally posted by LBVSVT:
Let's do a group visit!!

Where are you going Chongo? ie. which Green & Ross?

I'm going to the one at Dundas and Annette in downtown Toronto.
You need to make an appointment for the service as it takes 1 hour.
The shop closes at 8pm and I'm the last appointment on Thursday.

To find the green and ross closest to you: http://www.activegreenandross.com/

Thanks
Depending on how it goes for you, I might do it next week.
Erik

Let us know how it goes ...

FYI to the Ottawa-area members, Campbell Ford has the Motorvac Carbon Clean for $145.95. A little steep, but at least we know where we can get it for sure.

Hey guys, a little off the topic, but I finally found a place to clean my injectors (I have them out of the car since I'm cleaning my intake manifolds).. I called tons of car places, and none of them had a clue..

The secret is to call the big diesel guys, and most of them seem to have the equipment to do it.

Just thought I'd give you a heads up in case you ever want to go this route intead.

Originally posted by LBVSVT:
Let us know how it goes ...

Well everything went well, the only problem is I won't be able to give a proper report for a week.

I've only driven 20km's since the cleaning and I can't fully test out the car, as I found out today my Master Cylinder is dying.

I can say that after the cleaning the engine idles a lot smoother and there's almost no movement. On 87 octane the car seemed to be a bit better and the exhaust tone had deepend.
I filled up today with 91 octane, turned the chip on and the car felt a lot better. Stronger and more powerful then before.

I will report back after I've run through this tank and as soon as I feel comfortable braking again, to state if my mileage went up and how the car runs .

Originally posted by ottawanker:
Hey guys, a little off the topic, but I finally found a place to clean my injectors (I have them out of the car since I'm cleaning my intake manifolds).. I called tons of car places, and none of them had a clue..

The secret is to call the big diesel guys, and most of them seem to have the equipment to do it.

Just thought I'd give you a heads up in case you ever want to go this route intead.

Thanks, this is what I want to do.

Okay so it's been almost 7 days since I had done this.

Current Odo reading is 199km and the gas gauge shows just under 3/4 of a tank.

I figure I drove 65% HWY and 35% City at this stage for the tank.
I'm usually the other way around.
Did it work, I think so..........

To give you something to go by my wife is at 370KM with 1/4 tank left. She drives 100% stop and go.

Anymore on this Jeff? Really thinkingg to do it. Hoping to find a place closer to Oshawa though.

Originally posted by mbb41:
Anymore on this Jeff? Really thinkingg to do it. Hoping to find a place closer to Oshawa though.

292km with 1/4 tank of gas left.
All city driving since going to your place.....
I'm 35km ahead of the last tank (before motorvac) and have gas to go!

I'm going on a limb here as I have no valid proof (haven't filled up yet),
but I will say I used 3L/100km less this tank.

Originally posted by chongo:

Originally posted by mbb41:
Anymore on this Jeff? Really thinkingg to do it. Hoping to find a place closer to Oshawa though.

292km with 1/4 tank of gas left.
All city driving since going to your place.....
I'm 35km ahead of the last tank (before motorvac) and have gas to go!

I'm going on a limb here as I have no valid proof (haven't filled up yet),
but I will say I used 3L/100km less this tank.

Sounds good Jeff. I am there then. Can use the improvement!
Erik

PS what time did you leave work tonight? Drove by and wondered if we should have dropped in...

I got 500Km on my last tank. 200 Hwy, 300 City but I babied the car. I never went above 3000RPM. Driving the same last year got me 590KM. I might try the motorvac too. My wife regularly gets 450 - 500KM all city driving. Not bad for a 10 year old automatic Contour.

Gee maybe we should all book in for one afternoon. By that time the shop will be sick of our UIM.

You wont just notice an increase in gas mileage but also in the smoothness of the way the car runs and idles. Least I do anyway. It is a worthwhile investment on the car. It is part of my annual maintenance.

Originally posted by SVTCANUK:
My wife regularly gets 450 - 500KM all city driving. Not bad for a 10 year old automatic Contour.

I have no clue how this is possible!!!!!!

Since owning my Tour (May99) I've only seen numbers like this for all Highway.

I too will be doing this this summer. I've noticed an increase in my L/100Km

I filled up tonite, finally......

2 tank avg (before motorvac)..17.43L/100km or 13.57mpg (us)
1 tank (after motorvac)..........13.61L/100km or 17.38mpg (us)

Difference is -3.82L/100km or +3.81mpg after motorvac cleaning.

Most of you know with my rim/tire combo my spedo is off. The 2 tank avg was with my 14inch
stock steelies (assuming spedo was correct with them).
I've purchased a GPS, woohoo!, and have corrected my Odometer reading to my GPS reading for the last tank with 16 E0's on.

If I don't use the correction and just go by my Odo reading
Difference is -2.69/100km or +2.48mpg

as you know, you can't rely on 1 tank for fuel mileage. So time will tell.

I'm happy so far.

Oh and just incase your wondering how bad my spedo is off.

1km = 1.08km or 8km for every 100km travelled.
For those not liking the distance calculation 90kph is 97kph, almost 8% off and that miata tire size web page
says I should only be 2.8% slow from stock.

Wow those are some good preliminary results. You should get a quick return on investment although I still think you have other issues. I guess I shouldn't complain about my 24MPG average with my two cars, although I'm shooting for closer to 30MPG

Ok I am getting this done tomorrow now. Hope it helps with my rich running condition. Or at least nets me some power back.

Originally posted by mbb41:
Ok I am getting this done tomorrow now. Hope it helps with my rich running condition. Or at least nets me some power back.

you guys have me wanting to do it now...

I called highbury speedy in london, and they do it for $99.99

now I've never been to them, so I dont have a "trust" factor with them. But is there any way they can screw this up or take me for a ride? I guess the people who have had it done know the process. please let me know if thats at all possible?

Originally posted by SnafuFlux:

Originally posted by mbb41:
Ok I am getting this done tomorrow now.

I called highbury speedy in london, and they do it for $99.99

now I've never been to them, so I dont have a "trust" factor with them. But is there any way they can screw this up or take me for a ride? I guess the people who have had it done know the process. please let me know if thats at all possible?

Sweet Mark good luck.

Keith as for them screwing it up, not really possible.
They disconnect the fuel lines, fuel feed and return lines are joined together and the engine is soley run on the machine. They turn on the machine and your car runs on the chemical for 40mins.
Only thing is the preliminary test for fuel line pessure. They will tell you if your not running normal pressure
and may not continue if your not.
They could fubar the fuel line fittings if they've never done a Ford. I'm sure they have.
It helped having the open air filter in there as they had more room to the fuel line than with the stock box.
Did they state Motorvac cleaning machine? $100 is a good price. Seems Terra clean is more expensive.

yeh I asked specifically for a motor vac by snap on. I had actually called the dundas speedy and they said that the highbury one had it.

so I assume that it is indeed what they say it is. plus the price seems on par with what you toronoto boys/girls are paying.

Originally posted by SnafuFlux:
yeh I asked specifically for a motor vac by snap on. I had actually called the dundas speedy and they said that the highbury one had it.

They wouldn't lie about that.....
If they had Terra Clean and said they had MotorVac someone might be in trouble.....

hmm, i read that one post describing the motorvac thingy, but it really didnt say how it cleans the stuff out, and where does it go after its taken off the motor??
as for gas mileage i got about 550 kilometers when i first bought the car, mostly highway, some stop and go. Most I ever got was 700 km on a trip to Kingston, though now in the colder temps Im gettin 500kms tops.
Lastly, I am wondering if theres anything closer, like KW area?

Originally posted by loggerbomb:
hmm, i read that one post describing the motorvac thingy, but it really didnt say how it cleans the stuff out, and where does it go after its taken off the motor??

The cleaner breaks down the deposits and it goes out your exhaust.
It won't plug cats or O2's as it actually cleans these as it passes though the system.
You must do an oil change ASAP after the cleaning, as lots of the stuff remains in the oil.
I was told to drive a good highway burn (30km) then change it.

700km do you have a Zetec???

The only way to find a shop is too call around.
If you don't have an active green and ross.
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Mark, How did your cleaning go?

I'll post on my cleaning later. Have had some complications with the garage that need resolution. Will post when that has been done.

Originally posted by mbb41:
I'll post on my cleaning later. Have had some complications with the garage that need resolution. Will post when that has been done.

Damn man sorry, I'll wait for your reply.
I hope it's not what I think it may be....

It goes like this. Took the car in yesterday @ 10:50. They pulled the car in right away. I left at 1:28. I was quoted "just over an hour". Not over 2 and a half. So I'm already peeved. On the way home I start smelling burnt oil and at my first stop light I have smoke billowing from under the hood.

Thinking they have just spilled oil on the exhaust I think no more of it aside from what a bunch of idiots. Well I park for about 2 hours at home and go out there after not noticing that there is a BIG puddle of oil under the car. Run my errands and return. See the oil and park a little further back. I think jeeze they spilled alot of oil and it is still dripping off the block. I go out later on yet and there is another puddle of oil about the same size. So I turn the car around to see if it is going to leak overnight. Sure does. Now I have a tonne of oil on the ground. More then can spread out and therefore there is almost a centimeter deep puddle. Call Active green and Ross. Tell them what is going on and that I will be there in a few minutes. Be ready for me. They hoist the car and notice that the drain plug gasket is faulty or not seated right and that the oil has been draining from the block. WTF? I say I have never heard nor seen such a thing. He proceeds to tell me it is pretty common

, Whatever. After excuse after excuse stating well it left no puddle in THEIR parking lot. Almost making me wonder if he was trying to accuse me. I finally just left. I'm furious. If it weren't for the oil change the service likely would have been fine. Why I had to wait for 2.5+ hours I still don't know and how they can send a car out the door with a seepage of oil is beyond me. I should also add that to smooth things over they gave me "one of their valued customers" (never been there before.) a card good for 4 free oil changes. (I pay for the filter and a enviromental disposal fee

) Yeah like I will go back there again.

As for the engine vac. I think it helped. Butt dyno says it did but they are notoriously inaccurate. There is less raw fuel smell when I get on it. A few tanks of gas will tell better.

Sorry for your experince, but I can tell you why it took 2.5 hours.
Our fuel lines are a PITA to remove and if you go to quick you will snap it like a twig.
The guy doing mine took 30 minutes to get them off an hook up the machine.
After reading your previous thread, I thought they had broken one of yours.

Nope but I was in the waiting room and no one came to tell me it would be delayed. Poor service if you ask me. I'm not to sure I will go back to them.

Yup I would say bad service.
I had been to the one I went to before. I asked if I could watch the whole process and they said sure, if you don't get in the way.

I always watch any service that is done on my car. I always ask prior to the work being done if they say no I say fine, I'll go elsewhere. THey then usually say ok stay out of the way

I hope they didn't strip or cross thread something. You need a garage where you can do this type of basic maintenance yourself. I know a guy who will have a nice big 2 car garage soon

Originally posted by SVTCANUK:
I hope they didn't strip or cross thread something. You need a garage where you can do this type of basic maintenance yourself. I know a guy who will have a nice big 2 car garage soon .

Yup you let me know when your all moved in and I'll return from the Dominican then.

Just kidding.

They called today to do a "follow up". Wanting to make sure I was happy.

Guess my demeanor wasn't to clear when I left. Anyways the caller was telling me they like to keep their customers happy and blah blah blah. He said my circumstances were uncommon and that he was sorry it happened but it could have happened anywhere. Now I understand this but it doesn't change the after effect headaches and the continued smell of burning off oil. I almost could excuse it too if it weren't for the longer then usual wait time I experienced. Good customer service dictates that if things are delayed or not going according to plan that you should advise the customer. So the long and short of the conversation was that I WILL NOT be returning to this Active Green and Ross for service in the future and that I would sooner driver to Ajax or Pickering for a motor vac service. I don't think this guy was to impressed but then hey niether was I.

I got mine done at the Active Green & Ross on West Drive just S. of Hwy 7 for $153 after taxes yesterday.

They ran it for an hour and I was able to see the car after a stop at the Tim's across the road to pass the time.

Considering my UIM & LIM were already clean I didn't notice much difference (maybe a wee bit better tip-in on launch). Will check the promised mileage increase over the SVTOA cruise this afternoon ... although that may be a bit skewed by my driving considering I do like to lead "spirited" cruises

I forgot all about the cruise. If it weren't for the really crappy weather this way I'd head on out to it.

I can see an improvement in mileage already.

Usually I get about 90km before the needle moves out of the area above the F and right into the F. Well yesterday driving the route, I got 120km before this happened with about the same type of driving I would normally do.

Glad to hear it's working for you after you stated it did feel any different.