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Posted By: Goumba Used vortech problems - 11/30/05 01:14 PM
Over this summer I purchased an svt engine with a vortech already on it from my local junck yard with only 46k. I've been doing the work on it slowly over time and just got to the point where I drove it. I know the engine won't run at 100% because I only had it at an ide for a few times since then and old gas is an issue. Theese are problems I've encountered before though since I'm always storing it on deployments. My problem is that it revs so slow. Like I'm trying to accelerate with a 1000 pound trailer out back. I can feel the difference in increased tourqe. It just seems so slow though. It even takes a real long time to rev not in gear. Theese are all not problems I had with the old n/a engine. Even running off of 4 1/2 cylenders. Any thoughts?
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: Used vortech problems - 11/30/05 01:39 PM
Secondary intake manifold runner valves are probably gunked shut with crud. You'll want to check and completely clean the intake manifold if you haven' already.

Oh yeah, check for a plugged exhaust system, like a bad catatlytic converter. I've had that happen before when installing a component that increases exhaust flow. Check to see if it has stock precats...which it probably does and if so you'll have to check it out.
Drop the catback and see if it revs better.
If not, and you've checked out the intake system, added some decent fuel, then you may want to gut the exhaust manifolds or install MSDS headers that were designed to clear the supercharger jack shaft.

Last, if you have a plugged fuel filter or bad injectors it could cause similar issues.

Posted By: Stazi Re: Used vortech problems - 11/30/05 01:46 PM
If the vortech shaft has had it's splines stripped out it would basically be a giant restriction in the intake - that may be a cause for the doggishness.
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: Used vortech problems - 11/30/05 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Stazi:
If the vortech shaft has had it's splines stripped out it would basically be a giant restriction in the intake - that may be a cause for the doggishness.




Very good point! It may actually turn at low speed and then act as the restition plus it has the parasitic losses too.
Posted By: 96 M edition Re: Used vortech problems - 12/01/05 12:41 AM
Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by Stazi:
If the vortech shaft has had it's splines stripped out it would basically be a giant restriction in the intake - that may be a cause for the doggishness.




Very good point! It may actually turn at low speed and then act as the restition plus it has the parasitic losses too.




....anybody putting this much time into a engine checks everything out first....right?
Posted By: DemonSVT_dup1 Re: Used vortech problems - 12/01/05 12:46 AM
If he didn't do a full rebuild on the obviously shelled junk yard motor then everything else is just a waste of time.

Plus the fact pointed out that the Vortech is 99.97% likely to have stripped splines.

I hope you didn't pay more then a few hundred for this car unless the body is 100% mint.
Posted By: KnuKonceptz_dup1 Re: Used vortech problems - 12/01/05 03:51 AM
Disconnect the SC to the Intake, see what happens....

I can fix that SC for ya
Posted By: Goumba Re: Used vortech problems - 12/01/05 03:54 AM
This year hasn't been a good one for me. While I was overseas, My humvee I was on patroll in got blowed up. I lived and I have all my limbs and everything. I am like a walking hardware store though with all the metal I have in me now. The worst part of the explosion for me though was the head injury. I still wasn't completely better from the last one and now a bomb threw a rock so hard into my head that it shattered. The rock shattered, not my head. Although it felt like my head was pulverized. The Dr. said that I got somthing like dain bramage. But despite all that I did do a few things right. when I got home I realized that my current engine had seen it better days. I looked online for one and found it only 20 min from me. I checked it out to see if it ran. The car wasn't drivable though. I purchased everything attached to the subframe and more. I replaced coil pack, plugs, wires, hoses, water pump, ball joints, axels, and a lot more. I was trying to do it all right. I may have missed a few small things. I don't remember much though. I diddn't know that I should of checked out the splines though. I at least got it to run. Not bad I think for having just suffered massive head trauma. Now when I go home on Christmass leave I have a few things to do. Thanks for all the info.
Posted By: Stazi Re: Used vortech problems - 12/01/05 04:00 AM
daiin bramage

Dude, I applaud you for your service to this country, and your sense of humor.
Posted By: warmonger_dup1 Re: Used vortech problems - 12/01/05 01:25 PM
Yes. I also applaud the fact that your still in the service afterwards.
Posted By: Goumba Re: Used vortech problems - 12/02/05 12:31 AM
Hey. I was talking to my friend who used to work at Vortech and he told me since I'm not the origional buyer of the kit it costs like 2 grand to have it fixed if the splines are stripped. After that I was talking to my friend at a machine shop here in Tampa and asked if he could take the shaft and work his metal magic and get me some new stronger splines on it somehow. He told me that it might be doable. I want to know if that's a totaly retarded idea, even if he can get it done and if it installs properly. He was talking about carbide metal and measuring everything in microns and balancing and other big words I diddn't understand to much. He knows metal great. But not cars. Maybe my head doctors(Yeah. That's plural) were right when they said I was crazy.
Posted By: beyondloadedSE_dup1 Re: Used vortech problems - 12/02/05 12:43 AM
or you can just buy the upgraded shaft from Knu Knoceptz and be done with it.
Posted By: KnuKonceptz_dup1 Re: Used vortech problems - 12/02/05 05:12 AM
If the splines are stripped on BOTH sides your looking at $600-800 to fix and include the bearing support shown in the link below. If just the female is bad, its about $450.

Also there are three version of the shaft (and now the newer 4th that is completely differnt) The first is terrible, smaller diameter then all the rest, if you have that model to bring it up to par could be another $100 or so.


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