1995 Bi-Turbo Mystique - CEG Archives

It is not 5 times harder to do EEC V. Actually it takes me less time because EEC IV is so stupid that sometimes it does not respond to changes correctly. Especially on Contours that have both OBD II and EEC IV processors. Yes they do exist.

Here is a thought for you guys to ponder that I don't know the answer to. What will happen to vacuum actuated secondaries under boost? Discuss!

Can you guys point me in the direction of where i can read up on chips?

here you go
-what i did was go to the duratec performance forum
-on the bottom right side of the screen you will find the search feature
-type something.....i typed chips
-read all results
-if you find no results then alter your search parameters or search in another forum

Originally posted by Keyser:
It is not 5 times harder to do EEC V. Actually it takes me less time because EEC IV is so stupid that sometimes it does not respond to changes correctly. Especially on Contours that have both OBD II and EEC IV processors. Yes they do exist.

Here is a thought for you guys to ponder that I don't know the answer to. What will happen to vacuum actuated secondaries under boost? Discuss!

NOthing if you make sure to put a one-way vacuum switch on it.
About $2.00 at Autozone.

Twin Turbo mystique=

Originally posted by SVTcontourSVT:
Twin Turbo mystique=

To keep this short...a twin turbo set up is going to be hard to fabricate due to the limited amount of space in the engine bay....its hard enough as is to get the single turbo set up in there form ADC.

Lupe

Even if you could squeeze a second turbo on the back bank it would cook the hell out of everything back there, especially the alternator.

This idea has been hashed over so many times and the conclusion has been put forward time and time again that there are no benefits of a bi-turbo setup over the current ADC aka Streetflight, single turbo setup.

Why hasn't there been any other companies step up to the plate and make a turbo kit for the contour/2.5/3.0 motors?

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
Why hasn't there been any other companies step up to the plate and make a turbo kit for the contour/2.5/3.0 motors?

because the Contour has long been discontinued...and most Contour owners are cheap arses that want it all but are not willing to pay for it to put it bluntly. why invest R&D time into a dead carline....financially stupid.

The 2.5 and 3.0 motors are still alive and kicking though. And yes, I hear what you are saying about cheap.

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
Why hasn't there been any other companies step up to the plate and make a turbo kit for the contour/2.5/3.0 motors?

Its about supply and demand....Why supply when theres limited to no demand?!?!?!?!

For every one contour, im sure there are 10 or 20 hondas..maybe more.

Point is is that the majority of people that drive these cars are of the older crowd and do not know that CEG exsists...

So why should other companies stick tere neck out financially, if the demand is not there?

Lupe

Why does ADC aka streetflight continue to bring in so many customers continually if there isn't a demand? But yes, there are a billion civics out there. I just think that is someone else stepped up. More people would have turboed 2.5's and 3.0's.

They bring so many customers because there the only ones!!!!!

Come on now, if there the only ones doing it of course its going to seem like a lot of people are getting turbo kits.

Take a look at the bigger picture...contours only make up, if that, 1% of the after market.

Now im not disputing the fact that it would be nice to have more than one option, but relisticly here, no one wants to dump money into it...especially sinces its a 10 year old platform that has very limited aftermarket support as is!!

Also, the price of the product is dictated by the supply and demand.

If the demand is there, then more companies would be prone to getting involved, and thus the price drops to be competative...also, ADC, prices are pretty close to there cost if i remember, so there no making much of anyhting off of the kits.

I hope you understand, im not disputing you, in the area that we need more aftermarket, but that an aging discontinued, platform, is not going to have much of an aftermarket form here on out...its not realistic to think other wise.

there was supposted to be another turbo kit comming out, but they droped the program after the prototype was made.

Lupe

All I am saying is, there are many platforms that are using this motor. And newer cars are made all the time. I just think it sucks that the after market is so limited on this car. In many aspects.

The motors may be the same but the architectures in each different car, vary. Hence making one kit to fit every possible car with a Duratec is not possible.

Yes, the manifolds and some of the tubing may differ. But the main components should be interchangeable. Making it not to far reaching to put a kit together for this cars application.

Ugh,

I am preaching to thw choir. None of this is going to make a hill of beans, till someone with clout comes along and cares about us.

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
Ugh,

I am preaching to thw choir. None of this is going to make a hill of beans, till someone with clout comes along and cares about us.

They're called called ADC.

Way to go! I can't believe that I didn't think of that in the previous posts. I am so glad you helped me out. I would of never thought of that.

To bastardize a famous movie quote:

"If you come they will build it" <--- ADC

I do not guestion ADC work or ability to get it done. They do great work. I just wish that there was more of an aftermarket for these cars. If you have a mustang or a civic you have a myriad of parts to choose from. I guess it's all about quanity over quailty.

part the appeal of this car, imo, is that you are not going to be just like everyone else with the same car, i.e. mustangs and hondas. we get to be different at the cost of having fewer choices and possibly being more expensive.

Originally posted by acrdklr:
part the appeal of this car, imo, is that you are not going to be just like everyone else with the same car, i.e. mustangs and hondas. we get to be different at the cost of having fewer choices and possibly being more expensive.

and that is the aspect i enjoy!!

Lupe

You enjoy only being able to make 400 hp max? And if you want to make more than that you have to spend $10,000+?

I just don't think that it is too much to ask for a car to have 500 hp and not spend $10,000 in the process to run that much. But apparently it is in this car. There is something wrong with that picture.

it is called exclusivity, and it is not for everyone. that is not to say that one is right or wrong for wanting that, it simply has its benefits and costs. our benefit is we are different. example, demon has a n/a 3L v6 powered 4 door daily driven family car that can run with a vette. you can't get that with a honda or mustang. our cost is we haven't the plethora of choices. example, with a honda or mustang demon could have achieved the same results with a smaller investment of time, money and research.

see....it is simply a trade off. do you want cheap speed or individuality. we must all choose one because we can seldom have both.

btw, i just saw your sig you lucky bastard you. now im jealous

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
You enjoy only being able to make 400 hp max? And if you want to make more than that you have to spend $10,000+?

I just don't think that it is too much to ask for a car to have 500 hp and not spend $10,000 in the process to run that much. But apparently it is in this car. There is something wrong with that picture.

Its been hashed over and over again, this car was made as a track or auto-x car, not a drag car.....i really do not care if i cannot get over 400 hp...thats what my cobra is for....

And i really don;t car how much money i have to spend to get 400 Hp in my car...the whole point of being an Enthusiast about a certain car, is you don;t car what other people think, you go and do what you want to do with it and be happy!!!!!

Its not about the power, its about the time and effort and the induviduality of your car!!!

Lupe

Originally posted by Roz 1999 SVT-C:

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
You enjoy only being able to make 400 hp max? And if you want to make more than that you have to spend $10,000+?

I just don't think that it is too much to ask for a car to have 500 hp and not spend $10,000 in the process to run that much. But apparently it is in this car. There is something wrong with that picture.

Its been hashed over and over again, this car was made as a track or auto-x car, not a drag car.....i really do not care if i cannot get over 400 hp...thats what my cobra is for....

And i really don;t car how much money i have to spend to get 400 Hp in my car...the whole point of being an Enthusiast about a certain car, is you don;t car what other people think, you go and do what you want to do with it and be happy!!!!!

Its not about the power, its about the time and effort and the induviduality of your car!!!

Lupe

Hell this car was made to be a 4 door grocery getter!

Originally posted by 99blacksesport:

Originally posted by Roz 1999 SVT-C:

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
You enjoy only being able to make 400 hp max? And if you want to make more than that you have to spend $10,000+?

I just don't think that it is too much to ask for a car to have 500 hp and not spend $10,000 in the process to run that much. But apparently it is in this car. There is something wrong with that picture.

Its been hashed over and over again, this car was made as a track or auto-x car, not a drag car.....i really do not care if i cannot get over 400 hp...thats what my cobra is for....

And i really don;t car how much money i have to spend to get 400 Hp in my car...the whole point of being an Enthusiast about a certain car, is you don;t car what other people think, you go and do what you want to do with it and be happy!!!!!

Its not about the power, its about the time and effort and the induviduality of your car!!!

Lupe

Hell this car was made to be a 4 door grocery getter!

Ya, and DemonSVT scred the crap out of that Vette!!

Lupe

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
You enjoy only being able to make 400 hp max? And if you want to make more than that you have to spend $10,000+?

I just don't think that it is too much to ask for a car to have 500 hp and not spend $10,000 in the process to run that much. But apparently it is in this car. There is something wrong with that picture.

Show me a 500 hp honda civic that cost less than 10k...

Smokeshow, you are obviously not getting the facts here. I have to ask how old you are because any mature and slightly educated person can realize why we don't have an aftermarket. Hell, if you knew what you were doing, you don't need much of an aftermarket. I again point out Demon's car. Mid 13s from a low compression N/A 3.0 is great, no forced induction, just skills, education, and time. The problem with Contour owners is the income and age range. Nobody's going to make products to sell for an extinct car that was intended to be a CHEAP four door family car that nobody seems to like but us. Want market potential data? Search any of the group buys and see how many are WILLING, but not ABLE to buy. Or better yet, have tons of interest, then disappear when it comes time to lay down the cash. then there are a handful of SVT and even SE owners here that actually lay down the cash and get it done. Nobody even said 400hp was the max!

The highest dyno'd is 400whp, which is close to 500hp as mentioned before, and nobody said that was maxing out....Turbos are limitless and that's most likely a perfectly driveable/streetable 400whp. Since no $$ figures were posted on the project, only a few know the true cost, but it's not hard to count and guesstimate. For well under $20k, you can have a car capable of 400whp and look nice and shiny and different at the same time. Go figure. And the bit about the engine being used in many platforms to justify more demand for an aftermarket, especially FI, is a joke. You want the pieces to a turbo kit other than plumbing?! Buy a turbo...reality tells me that turbos aren't exlusively sold in kits....

Reality also jumps in and says that a huge aftermarket for the Contour, a car that has been out of production for 5 years and wasn't exactly a top seller to begin with, will never see a huge aftermarket.

I wanted to say the same thing, but I didn't want to waste my time typing that all out. Thanks Jonny

Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
I wanted to say the same thing, but I didn't want to waste my time typing that all out. Thanks Jonny

LMAO

Johnny, good post, thats something i never never touched basis with but is true in every aspect of it.

Lupe

I can show you several. Motor swaps are a dime a dozen and are basically considered stock. And turbo kits for hondas don't cost $5,000.

Thanks for all the kind words everyone. Oh yeah, I am 12. And I can't drive yet.

I am thinking now that it's time to cut my losses and ditch both of the contours then. I want to have a 500+ hp car to drive around to save on gas. But I don't want to spend $18,000 in the process. And I am not wanting to chop up a car just to get a motor to fit. So, a v8 swap is not worth it. The car is nice and it does handle. But it does snow plow when pushed and even with LSD torque steer is a beast with decent hp.

There are what... 5 or 6 nice people on here, that have knowledge of these vehicles. If it wasn't for them, I would never even wasted my time posting on here. 90% of the people on here either complain about a repost or tell someone to do a search or bash them. I was going to say more about this but I am done..

Quote:

And turbo kits for hondas don't cost $5,000.

Compare and Contrast
Millions of Civics----Thousands of Contours
Easy to work on-------Hard to work on
Exchangable parts for days-------a 3L....
Plenty of room--------I have to do what to change the spark plugs?!
Choices--------------Nope, not here

You want a 500hp car to drive around to save on gas?....That makes plenty of sense....

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
And turbo kits for hondas don't cost $5,000.

Throw in the price of another manifold and collector pipe, bigger injectors, intercooler pump and resevoir for the intercooler, a turbo blanket, and a custom tuned chip and the civic turbo kits would probably be right around our kits. I didnt do too much research but brand new civic turbo kits on ebay sell for $3150.

I think Smokeshow's been smoking too much as he doesn't seem to get the point, even when broken down into Business 101 terms.

Also anything with 500hp is not going to get any better than 15mpg - it's simple physics...to make power you need to burn more fule=more gas=lower mileage.

Note: ssumich's car puts down, to the wheels, 400hp, at the crank you're "approaching" close to 500hp. The engine could possibly put out more, but the options for harnessing this sort of power, i.e. transmission, driveshaft and suspension upgrades are the next limiting factors.

Why can't you be happy with getting this sort of output from a small 4-door without havig a car that looks like a gutted Civic dragster?

You know once again you guys are great!

Yes, I would be saving on gas because in my truck I get 7-9 MPG. Yeah, 700 hp tends to do that. And I can not be happy with a civic because it is not a Ford and lastly because it is not an SVT.

I will find and answer. And I will have 500 hp in one of these damn cars. I just don't want to come to terms with spending more on this car to make less hp than my truck. Just doesn't seem logical. But sadly, it looks as if I will eventually, unless I can find a good motor swap other than the 3.0. But once again guys, thanks for helping me out.

Smokeshow,
You've got to be able to take what some people say on here with a grain of salt.
With that said, you are comparing your factory Supercharged, 5.4L RWD Lightning truck, to a N/A 2.5L Family Sedan.

What are you trying to accomplish with your Contour? Are you wanting to set it up for drag racing? Trying to swap any motor in, other than a 3.0L will most likely cost you over $10,000 alone. And are you really going to attempt that, just to save $1000.00 on a turbo kit? I guess it all depends on what you are shooting for, and how much money you want to spend.

Mark

Have ADC build you a turbo kit with a T-66 and pray that the rods and pistons stay together.

Originally posted by Stazi:
I think Smokeshow's been smoking too much as he doesn't seem to get the point, even when broken down into Business 101 terms.

Also anything with 500hp is not going to get any better than 15mpg - it's simple physics...to make power you need to burn more fule=more gas=lower mileage.

Note: ssumich's car puts down, to the wheels, 400hp, at the crank you're "approaching" close to 500hp. The engine could possibly put out more, but the options for harnessing this sort of power, i.e. transmission, driveshaft and suspension upgrades are the next limiting factors.

Why can't you be happy with getting this sort of output from a small 4-door without havig a car that looks like a gutted Civic dragster?

hehe, I was so happy when I drove back from AZ and posted nearly 350 or more to the tank. . .because now, in the city, racing prick's with M3's and other household exotics, my tank is almost empty and I've only driven 140miles!!!

I'll be lucky to hit 180, which, like Stazi mentioned, is about 15mpg. Yup, that much hp translates to no gas mileage. . .oh well,

I need to stop staying in boost so much, and stay below 3k.

Originally posted by ssmumich00:

hehe, I was so happy when I drove back from AZ and posted nearly 350 or more to the tank. . .because now, in the city, racing prick's with M3's and other household exotics, my tank is almost empty and I've only driven 140miles!!! I'll be lucky to hit 180, which, like Stazi mentioned, is about 15mpg. Yup, that much hp translates to no gas mileage. . .oh well,

I need to stop staying in boost so much, and stay below 3k.

Not to easy to do, huh? I know....

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
You know once again you guys are great!

Yes, I would be saving on gas because in my truck I get 7-9 MPG. Yeah, 700 hp tends to do that. And I can not be happy with a civic because it is not a Ford and lastly because it is not an SVT.

I will find and answer. And I will have 500 hp in one of these damn cars. I just don't want to come to terms with spending more on this car to make less hp than my truck. Just doesn't seem logical. But sadly, it looks as if I will eventually, unless I can find a good motor swap other than the 3.0. But once again guys, thanks for helping me out.

To put everything in retrospect:

Buckshot spent 32,000$ on building his supercharged 400Hp monster.

have a nice day

I want the car to do everything it could before and I want it to ride like it is on rails and I want it to scare the majority of the people out there when they pull up next to it. And yes, I know that you have to pay to play and the more you pay the more you can play. But it just seems like this car, can not be fast without spending and obsurd amount of money on it. I am going to have to come to terms with spending that much or move on apparently.

Mark,
Thanks for your honesty and not sounding like and @$$ when you say it. Guess some people on here do have tact still.

Wow!

$32,000 for 400 hp?

I did talk to ADC about building a complete kit to accomplish what I want. $12,000-$15,000 Complete turn key.
3.0 and all corresponding parts and turbo kit to get it done. It just sounded like more than I wanted to spend at this point and time on a car that will never truly be really fast due to being FF. Everyone seems to act like I have not even tried to find answers or that I have not done any research. The day will come, and I will find an answer. There are new cars and motors out all the time. Sooner or later there will be a bigger motor and that has a aftermarket to support it.

Yes, I love the fact that these cars are rare and that basically no two are alike. But there comes a point when you have to realize that they all are essentially the same. Some just have more money into them.

What you aren't understnading is even though these cars with 400whp may not be drag-strip kings, on a roll - LOOK OUT!

What you don't seem to understand is, I have been in a 400 whp civic that was gutted and it still wasn't fast enough for me.

ok, then this car is not for you...period...we have explained it to you over and over, yet you still persist with the complaining that, 400Hp is not enough.

well this car is not for you then, as it would cost gobs of money to accomplish tha in this car...maybe you should look else where.

Lupe

It's a little late for that one. I have 2.

hey smoke show....post some pics of the 700hp monster i wanna see that

Smokeshow.. I'm trying to help you out.. Stazi was not badgering you when he said what he said.. 400WHP is pretty damn good for what we're working with. Getting the car off the line is your biggest obstacle.. Try getting your drivetrain beefed up before throwing a ton of HP to it.. You're going to need an LSD, stage 3 or better axles, race slicks, stiff suspension, replace stab-o-shock with a solid bar, polyurethane motor mount inserts, and look out for some other products that are supposedly "in the works" for our cars to help with traction.. By Stazi stating that this car is a monster from a roll, he says this because most people are using these cars as road warriors, and love the pull the get in the top end, so we've come to realize that we sacrifice our launching for this.

Mark

I know you are probably being sarcastic or just being a pita. But I will post some anyway.

Flame away...

Mark,

I realize I probably am over reacting on a lot of these statements. And I should take to heart more of what everyone is saying and not how they are saying it. Just sometimes, it does not probably sound the same as they mean it. Thus the problem with internet, you can never really tell someones intent unless previously stated. Thanks for you time and comments. And I do realize that basically everything has to be changed because nothing was meant to handle that type of abuse. Heck, I know that in stock form. I break something all the time on these cars.

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
I know you are probably being sarcastic or just being a pita. But I will post some anyway.

Flame away...

hmmmm...........im sure you know what assuming stands for right

if so good. actually being that it seemed you were knowledgeable of what you were speaking of throughout your posts for the most part, i kinda figured you werent playin. on that note.........nice truck man, sure is sweet lookin

For what it is worth, thanks.
And yes, I know where you stand. But I would like to think that you are somewhat like me. And do not need the to know where you stand with everyone else. Because it does not matter where you stand, or if everyone likes us. Different is almost never liked. So I do not expect to have a warm welcome. Just wasn't expecting some of this.

Originally posted by Roz 1999 SVT-C:

Buckshot spent 32,000$ on building his supercharged 400Hp monster.

Rick has $32,000 into the car as a whole, not $32,000 into the engine and transmission to make/support 400 whp.

In my setup I have about $5000 into the motor alone, $5000 in the turbo kit, and then $2800 into the drivetrain so ~ $13,000 total.

Its really a shame these cars pistons, axles etc, are so darn brittle. Maybe just buy a Maxima or something. Just add a T-66 turbo kit, upgrade clutches, and injectors and your good to go. Harolds put down 538 whp, 603 wtq on a STOCK internal motor, and the motor and stock axles hold up to 6,000 clutch dumps on slicks. Could probably be done for about $5500. If our drivetrain and motor were just as strong, we could be right in that price range but were not, so we have to add parts to strengthen the motor and drivetrain if you want to shoot for that kind of horsepower.

Thats more like it. Ugh... must be nice..

Holy Crap !!! Is this still going! LOL

Originally posted by ssmumich00:

Originally posted by Stazi:
I think Smokeshow's been smoking too much as he doesn't seem to get the point, even when broken down into Business 101 terms.

Also anything with 500hp is not going to get any better than 15mpg - it's simple physics...to make power you need to burn more fule=more gas=lower mileage.

Note: ssumich's car puts down, to the wheels, 400hp, at the crank you're "approaching" close to 500hp. The engine could possibly put out more, but the options for harnessing this sort of power, i.e. transmission, driveshaft and suspension upgrades are the next limiting factors.

Why can't you be happy with getting this sort of output from a small 4-door without havig a car that looks like a gutted Civic dragster?

hehe, I was so happy when I drove back from AZ and posted nearly 350 or more to the tank. . .because now, in the city, racing prick's with M3's and other household exotics, my tank is almost empty and I've only driven 140miles!!! I'll be lucky to hit 180, which, like Stazi mentioned, is about 15mpg. Yup, that much hp translates to no gas mileage. . .oh well,

I need to stop staying in boost so much, and stay below 3k.

Haven't I been saying this about fuel economy the whole time! I've been living with 13 MPG in the city for a year and a half now. It sucks but thats because I also cannot stay out of the pedal. Oh well, you gotta pay to play.

Originally posted by ssmumich00:

I need to stop staying in boost so much, and stay below 3k.

when I had my 240 SX it was impossible for me to drive it like a "normal" person.....don't even try cuz you will just upset yourself....

you do have to pay to play, here's the run down on what I ACTUALLY spent:
$5.5k for ADC kit
about $4k to have it, along with a new engine, installed and tuned.
$1700 in engine parts.
$1400 in tranny parts.
$800 for tranny labor (which is retarded because my tranny is a little messed up, but whatev).
So total=$13400.

eh, could've bought a new car, or used it as a downpayment, but since I could'nt afford insurance on a new car, and couldn't get rid of my car (it's nearly new as far as I'm concerned, 56k on clock), I did what I did. . .

I would be content with anything over 10 mpg consistantly. I guess it's a min. of $10,000 to get these cars to where they should of been in stock form. By that I mean, fast and not easily broken. And anyone who has boost knows, it is very hard to stay out of boost. Everytime a car gets ahead of you. You push the pedal a little more. Or hell, just for the shear ability to hear it spool up, or dump off. It's just addictive.

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
I guess it's a min. of $10,000 to get these cars to where they should of been in stock form. By that I mean, fast and not easily broken.

LMAO you still don't get it?! This was not a car designed to be like the M5. You could just as easily say that the Contour should have cost another 20k, and competed with the Corvette. The Contour is a 4 door family car, priced for the average family, not someone that wants a 400hp daily driver that gets 13mpg!

I am sure you are right in how addicting turbos are, but if you want the power you are looking for, it sounds like you want a GT mustang or the likes of it.

Originally posted by 99blacksesport:

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
I guess it's a min. of $10,000 to get these cars to where they should of been in stock form. By that I mean, fast and not easily broken.

You could just as easily say that the Contour should have cost another 20k, and competed with the Corvette.

my thoughts exactly.

A mustang gt? Are you on crack? A stock svt contour is door to door with a gt. But yes, I think the car should of run mid 13's in stock form and cost more. But as you can see I do not think like the main stream. Nor will I ever. And as much as you apparently are "waiting for me to get it", I am not going to say that this car can not be made fast for under that price range. Not saying that I am crazy for thinking it. But I have not come to terms with it.

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
A mustang gt? Are you on crack? A stock svt contour is door to door with a gt.

ummm.....i hope you are refering to an older model because there is no way in hell a stock csvt will hang with a current gt. not in the 1/4 or 0-60

Originally posted by Smokeshow:
A stock svt contour is door to door with a gt.

And I am the one on crack?!!?

Originally posted by ssmumich00:
you do have to pay to play, here's the run down on what I ACTUALLY spent:
So total=$13400.

Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
In my setup I have about $13,000 total.

Heck I'm running sub 13.5's with a lowly NA 3 liter.

It's even below 10:1 CR.

I have around $6500 into mods/repairs. Though that covers a few general wear items like the clutch, tires, brakes and such.

Of that I have about $4000 into go fast/powertrain mods (most of it 3L & tranny upgrades) and another $1000 into suspension/brakes. That's everything and not just simple part listing costs.

Total to date including purchasing it brand new with tax, title, license, and interest I am around the 30k mark.
Not too bad considering some folks paid that for a bone stock car including interest and taxes.

Resale doesn't bother me because I simply won't ever sell it. No point anyway.

Maybe you can't drive?

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

Resale doesn't bother me because I simply won't ever sell it. No point anyway.

me either.

IF I had the competence, time, and know how (and Tom was back, ie local engine guru), I could've save myself the installation costs, which would've brought the price down to under 10k, but bang for buck, like you've TOLD THOUSANDS OF NEWBS HERE, 3L is the way to go for value (just hope yours doesn't fail!)

I wonder if the 3L failures are due to poor installation or setup procedures (bearing clerances, etc.)? Tom and Greg are super anal and so far haven't destroyed their 3L's (I'm ignoring the other 3L's Tom has done, just current trim). . .

lol its called get a 98 svt mustang and put at least 15 grand into it and i guarente a low 10 second car

You've been here for nearly two years and have done nothing but b!tch and moan about the price of the turbo or other HP mods. You KNOW what's up with these cars so open your wallet or STFU!

Sell one SVT and se the money to make the other one F4STAR!

I might just end up doing that. I have just over $10,000 into them, between the two cars.

Thanks for the help bigMoney!

Originally posted by sinclair:
lol its called get a 98 svt mustang and put at least 15 grand into it and i guarente a low 10 second car

If I wanted a Cobra, I would of got one. And I would take a 03-04 Cobra over a 98 Cobra any day of the week.

Cobra's are a dime a dozen in Tampa. But thanks for the thought. Maybe a 89 Mustang coupe with a 03 Cobra motor. Hmm now there's a thought...

Lastly, guys sorry for some of the comments and statements I have made. I can be an @$$ sometimes and I apologize to those who I offended and belittled. It was wrong of me and you guys were only defending yourselves and namesake. I am just pissed off at the fact that I will have to sink that much into a car that will never be worth have of it. Some of the reasons why we do not see eye to eye on some things is because most of the Ceg'ers are not speed freaks. And most do not plan to be. With that in mind, I guess that is also why the aftermarket is not as saturated as much as I would of liked it to be. And like several of you have pointed out that it is a dead market at that. Didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers. I will go back to my lil hole in the wall and start saving pennies again so I can try and make this car move out of it's way.

Well that was my 2�?¢ for the day. Be back once I get the car moving or selling one of them. Not that hardly any of you care. But just thought I would warn ya. LOL...

Once again, I am truly sorry. And wish all you fellow Svt owners good luck and the best and have a happy holidays.

(yeah that was a little early on that one, but probably won't be back on til after then)