wow!

He has been on a rampage for days. This kind of crap needs to stop and though I'd say he mostly overreacted, he did have a point that in some threads he was jumped on.
Ah, C'est la Vie

He wandered over here from SVTPerformance, after running his mouth over there as well. He finally started to calm down, after he realized that we all had the same thing in common. A couple posts later and he's got an attitude again.

By the way, I did offer to meet him half way between Indiana and Minnesota, at a drag strip of his choice, and see if he could put the car lengths on me that he said he could. Needless to say, he had 37 excuses, saying something about racing me in a snowmobile. I even offered to run him N/A, with him on the bottle.

Mark

mark. i told you i needed a clutch! i have it. let meet up sometime this month? i'm up for some fun. a hybrid+bottle should gime a run either way but i bet i have more nitrous on mine than you do (i care less about my motor)

and yeah you guys can all talk but i have met in person a few guys from here and i dont think any of them dislike me a bit. the fact is, i stand here and look at my car and the little i have done is done right, and you guys post up nonsense promoting items that dont work, or show little gain. like a borla exhaust, its the same thing as stock. stock sized tubing, just a high flow res and mufflers. 800$ for that thing? i'm sorry, but thats a waste of $$$ even though it looks nice (the tips, maybe?) i dont know if you guys know much about nitrous or what running colder plugs does to your car but in some instances (especially 2 steps colder) your car will have plug fouling issues if you have a stock fuel/timing curve. it just runs too fat for that cold plug. the MSD, fires the ignition 3 times in a row every time it's supposed to spark a given cylinder. (up to 3000 rpm) this makes sure the fuel is getting burned nicely and gives the car a huge increase in throttle response.

another thing about the MSD. you all probably know this but....

it has a 2 step rev limiter, that you can hook to a switch. so i have a rev limiter for launching. i get all this "how you putting that power to the ground" stuff, and there you go. i can set my launch RPM to a switch, launch (adjustable by 100 rpm incriments btw) and flip the switch. voilla~! consistent launches! yay!

not to mention i have no rev limiter (i dont know why, it'll rev to 8000) so i have a max rev limit set at 8000

but all this is just a waste of money~! anywho, seeya guys. i'll stick to talking to people in person or on the phone or else i just come across as an A-Hole

Whoopy for MSD, it's still antiquated like I said.

The main problem with MSD ignition setup is they DO NOT altering anything until after any detonation, spark blow out, etc has already occured. It can't react before things happen but only AFTER they do.

NOTHING is better then a properly tuned chip since it still uses the PCM's full adaptive engine control and wide range of inputs.

you do know that a DIS is a parallel system right? it works WITH the ecu, its not like a blaster coil or any of the old school stuff (6AL etc) here's my opinion:

MSD= the LAST thing you should buy, unless you are running nitrous.

Tune+MSD is better than just a Tune, gains may be minimal, but the features are nice, and i like it. i never did say that it gives my car like a omg50HP or anything but it does help and the car runs very smooth and starts very well. the only downfall, you can hear the thing buzzing when the radio is turned off. that can get annoying.

Tricker,

I ran a 75 shot NX wet kit on my SVT. I know what it can do. I loved it but I hated filling the bottle. Umpteen tons of power and you can put it in in a couple of hours. I ran copper plugs one step colder than stock on the stock ignition and ignition was NEVER an issue. NX solenoid stuck ON one time but I think thats because I wasn't using a bottle heater.

Whatever, just don't say that every one is trying to say run useless mods because we aren't. And Borla? Very few people on here tout the Borla exhaust as being a great performance exhaust. Most of us build our own exhausts to fit.
If it comes to that, I built 3 separate piping sets for my system, two turbo and one N/A system so I feel like I know whats up with it.
I don't think the MSD ignition is bad either. BTW, did you know you can setup a two step limiter with the SCT products?
Don't know the details but they have discussion about it on their forums.

So anyway, I just think all the attitude is unwarranted. Even if someone jumped you, jump them back once and let it drop so that you don't alienate other people online. I don't think you are a bad dude but I think you got on the defensive and should just let it die down.

Oh, and between Nitrous and a built 3L, I'd take a 3L because it is more consistent in the launch since you always have it and you can get really really good at driving it. It isn't as fast but a well built one is about as good as running a 50shot on an svt. Hands down a 75 wet-shot SVT 2.5L will whip all but the bigger turbo motors though. and for about $600.
Having driven, N/A 2.5L SVT, 2.5L SVT with 75shot nitrous, 3L hybrid N/A, and turbo 3L.....I'm qualified in at least having my own opinions.
None of them can compare to a 3L turbo well-tuned running just 10psi.

my 2 cents...

I understand what you are saying Tricker...(I don't think you will find "many" misconceptions in the FI forum...you will in general mods) I feel the same way about $ spent...it is better put in some places...you will find many believe that way...

Plus, many of us that are really pushing the envelope with the Contour...it isn't the first car we've had to toy around with... so we aren't really "dumb" when it comes to mods.

Just take it easy. Like Ray said speak softly...many on here do. It looks bad when you get on here, and start claiming this and that when you don't know who we are or what we have. Usually we are pretty easy to get along with.

FYI One of the fastest 1/4's for a Contour came from a 3L N/A.

I agree warmonger. like i said you are one of the people i respect most on this site because you have tried basically every type of aspiration on the contour. and let me tell you man, the difference between a 75 and 100 shot is insane, too. you shoulda tried it. i'm going to dual stage and put a 75 and a 50 shot in. when it's all up and running i'll let you all know how that does. i want the dual stage before i do that because i dont want to shock the engine so much with that much nitrous at one time. and also, yeah. i know everyone says the borla exhaust is almost like stock etc i was just pointing out that options are limited for a bolt on and people seemed to be dissing on his exhaust. and i see what your saying i know i am opinionated.

Originally posted by warmonger:

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So anyway, I just think all the attitude is unwarranted. Even if someone jumped you, jump them back once and let it drop so that you don't alienate other people online. I don't think you are a bad dude but I think you got on the defensive and should just let it die down.

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I agree. That's why I let this post continue in order to let TRicker come full circle and protect himself. Provoked, yes, but he took "most" of the garbage to PM's and kept mostly information in his posts. We've got to stop alienating the newbies here, at least until they get past the initial "mines better than yours" phase. Been there, done that, got the Spring Zing '01 T-shirts and some busted engine parts to prove it.

Originally posted by TRicker:

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I agree warmonger. like i said you are one of the people i respect most on this site because you have tried basically every type of aspiration on the contour. and let me tell you man, the difference between a 75 and 100 shot is insane, too. you shoulda tried it. i'm going to dual stage and put a 75 and a 50 shot in. when it's all up and running i'll let you all know how that does. i want the dual stage before i do that because i dont want to shock the engine so much with that much nitrous at one time. and also, yeah. i know everyone says the borla exhaust is almost like stock etc i was just pointing out that options are limited for a bolt on and people seemed to be dissing on his exhaust. and i see what your saying i know i am opinionated.

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I tried 100 shot on the street on my '99 SE when it had the 2.5 in it and I got worried about fuel. Do you have any sort of fuel pressure monitoring going on? Or at least a fuel pressure saftey switch? How about plans for a wide band to know what's coming out of the motor?

Also, the dual step is a great idea. With the 100 shot, it was pretty much useless in 1st and 2nd gear coming on all at once, which had a negative impact on 0-60 time and 1/4 mile compared to the 75 shot (on my car at least). The top end charge was fun though!