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nice,glad to hear you didnt give up,sounded/looked like you were in the middle of making a monster

Sure as hell doesn't look like my returnless fuel rail:

I've never seen that rail before...but with the escape and the taurus...the fuel rails are all pretty similar.

The one on the noble is a returnless escape fuel rail and the one on the mazda 6 is the same rail as the one on the st220's along with the LIM

does the mazda 6 fuel rail, bolt up to any of the oval port LIMs. I always through their injector locations were the same, but that last post is leading me to beleive they aren't....

Originally posted by PuckPuck:
does the mazda 6 fuel rail, bolt up to any of the oval port LIMs. I always through their injector locations were the same, but that last post is leading me to beleive they aren't....

Same injector positioning and I beleive it bolts up the the plastic LIMs

Originally posted by 96BlackSE:

Originally posted by PuckPuck:
does the mazda 6 fuel rail, bolt up to any of the oval port LIMs. I always through their injector locations were the same, but that last post is leading me to beleive they aren't....

Same injector positioning and I beleive it bolts up the the plastic LIMs

Same old plastic UIM from what I know.

does the mazda 6 rail have more volume than escape rail and will it work with the 2000 svt

None of the oval port 3L's fuel rails bolt up to the Contour. That's why the 2 have to be brazed together.

IIRC Escape's returnless fuel rail will bolt up to a returnless contour no problems with no brazing

The escape fuel rail makes modding the fuel rail for return applications much easier, since you just have to run the return line... On the feed side of the rail you just take the c-clip off the existing fuel pressure looking thing and cap the hole by welding it, then you run your line and put the return fuel pressure regulator on it

Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
IIRC Escape's returnless fuel rail will bolt up to a returnless contour no problems with no brazing

I haven't had my coffee yet. I forgot 99+ had returnless jsut because I'm so used to talking about modifying the two together because most are return. Are the interfaces between the FR and line the same on the returnless Escape/Taurus/Contour? It would be nice to have a 99+ for a 3L swap. Just have to mod the TB and EGR.

Originally posted by todras:
None of the oval port 3L's fuel rails bolt up to the Contour. That's why the 2 have to be brazed together.

I am using oval poert manifolds..i reallize they have to be brazed but i need them to bolt to the lower

That's why you join them. The 3L sectoin bolts to the 3L LIM. Are you being serious or do you not have any clue of what you are doing?

Originally posted by todras:
That's why you join them. The 3L section bolts to the 3L LIM. Are you being serious or do you not have any clue of what you are doing?

I don't think you realize what this thread is about...

I no exactly what needs to be done but i need a higher volume rail! Like from the noble or svt. The escape rail just does not cut it. Once i find out what will work then i will braze the two together.

Originally posted by svtProdigy:

Originally posted by todras:
That's why you join them. The 3L section bolts to the 3L LIM. Are you being serious or do you not have any clue of what you are doing?

I don't think you realize what this thread is about...

I no exactly what needs to be done but i need a higher volume rail! Like from the noble or svt. The escape rail just does not cut it. Once i find out what will work then i will braze the two together.

I would have to say the Mazda6 rail is the higher volume rail, seems larger than any other Duratec rail I have seen in person. Though never cutting one open, I can't say for sure and can't tell you what all modifications you need to make it work.

Thanks that is exactly the info I was looking for.

What volume of fuel can you possibly be running that needs such a huge rail? You didn't buy those 96# injectors that one clown was saying he was going to install, did you?

Originally posted by Stazi:
What volume of fuel can you possibly be running that needs such a huge rail? You didn't buy those 96# injectors that one clown was saying he was going to install, did you?

It was 42lb injectors..

Not a huge rail..The escape fuel rail is so thin compared to the svt so i figured i needed one comparible to it.

Originally posted by svtProdigy:

Originally posted by Stazi:
What volume of fuel can you possibly be running that needs such a huge rail? You didn't buy those 96# injectors that one clown was saying he was going to install, did you?

It was 42lb injectors.. Not a huge rail..The escape fuel rail is so thin compared to the svt so i figured i needed one comparible to it.

No no no...the rail will be fine with the 42# injectors. My question tho is whether or not you know that the returnless rail needs to be modified in order for it to work with your car!

Originally posted by Twisted6:

Originally posted by svtProdigy:

Originally posted by todras:
That's why you join them. The 3L section bolts to the 3L LIM. Are you being serious or do you not have any clue of what you are doing?

I don't think you realize what this thread is about...

I no exactly what needs to be done but i need a higher volume rail! Like from the noble or svt. The escape rail just does not cut it. Once i find out what will work then i will braze the two together.

I would have to say the Mazda6 rail is the higher volume rail, seems larger than any other Duratec rail I have seen in person. Though never cutting one open, I can't say for sure and can't tell you what all modifications you need to make it work.

THis has been covered..I realize it needs to be modified..I just want the best fuel rail for my application to modify. thanks for the concern though.

There shouldn't be any issues with the escape rail. It is much easier to modify than the Taurus or Sable rails.

Originally posted by Blackcoog:
There shouldn't be any issues with the escape rail. It is much easier to modify than the Taurus or Sable rails.

this is notthe issue here. I know its easier and what i have will bolt down. My concern is this:Re: fuel rail

From: DemonSVT

As long as the rail is not smaller diameter then the incoming fuel line you will not have a lower power potential.

i beleive its smaller.

Originally posted by svtProdigy:

It was 42lb injectors.. Not a huge rail..The escape fuel rail is so thin compared to the svt so i figured i needed one comparible to it.

The escape rail is much bigger than the SVT rail just to let you know

As i said before the first pic you posted is the ESCAPE fuel rail...

The over all inner diameter is larger on the escape rail but I think the wall thickness is slightly smaller. I'm not sure what your more concerned with. Either will work with 42lb injectors as other's have shown.

Originally posted by Blackcoog:
The over all inner diameter is larger on the escape rail but I think the wall thickness is slightly smaller. I'm not sure what your more concerned with. Either will work with 42lb injectors as other's have shown.

does this look bigger to you?

Does that look like an Escape rail???

THE FIRST PIC YOU POSTED IS THE ESCAPE RAIL

THAT LAST PICTURE IS A TAURUS RAIL!

Werd. Prodigy got owned.

How large is the diameter of the stock fuel lines from the tank? Pretty small right? So how is a larger FR going to change anything?

Falling to the prey of "it must make more power cos it's bigger!" trick.

One could always run new lines with the -AN adapters for the fuel rails.

Originally posted by Stazi:
Falling to the prey of "it must make more power cos it's bigger!" trick.

Maybe he is planning on running Alky or Nitro and just doesn't want to come right out and tell you what he has in mind. Tip enough nitro into the tank and you just may wish the fuel lines were bigger.

Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
Does that look like an Escape rail???

THE FIRST PIC YOU POSTED IS THE ESCAPE RAIL

THAT LAST PICTURE IS A TAURUS RAIL!

my bad....my last shop says it was from a escape. anyone have an escape rail for sale then

Originally posted by svtProdigy:

Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
Does that look like an Escape rail???

THE FIRST PIC YOU POSTED IS THE ESCAPE RAIL

THAT LAST PICTURE IS A TAURUS RAIL!

my bad....my last shop says it was from a escape. anyone have an escape rail for sale then

Yeah, I'll sell you an escape rail. You want injectors too?

Originally posted by warmonger:

Originally posted by svtProdigy:

Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
Does that look like an Escape rail???

THE FIRST PIC YOU POSTED IS THE ESCAPE RAIL

THAT LAST PICTURE IS A TAURUS RAIL!

my bad....my last shop says it was from a escape. anyone have an escape rail for sale then

Yeah, I'll sell you an escape rail. You want injectors too?

Only if they're 96#

Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoShoâ�??¢:

Originally posted by warmonger:

Originally posted by svtProdigy:

Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
Does that look like an Escape rail???

THE FIRST PIC YOU POSTED IS THE ESCAPE RAIL

THAT LAST PICTURE IS A TAURUS RAIL!

my bad....my last shop says it was from a escape. anyone have an escape rail for sale then

Yeah, I'll sell you an escape rail. You want injectors too?

Only if they're 96#

Nope, I think 69# are MUUUUCH better.