24lb Injector Thread READ!!

Am I ever glad to see this thread!

I have been keenly aware of this issue as I am one of Shawnâ�?��?�s customers experiencing difficulty.

I want to be clear on something though. While ADC has not been the most responsive company Iâ�?��?�ve ever dealt with, Shawn has made every effort to resolve these issues and Iâ�?��?�m certain that my experiences are not par for the course. Iâ�?��?�m just frustrated with the apparent lack of proper information, and what appears to be constant speculation that is thrown about as fact.

All I can say is that my engine came from a 2003 Taurus SEL Wagon. Box code? Not a clue, and I wouldnâ�?��?�t begin to know where that could be obtained.

Injectors are dark grey, blue â�?��?oâ�?��?�-rings, exactly like the picâ�?��?�s Iâ�?��?�ve seen on here identified by several of the regs as 24# injectors. I canâ�?��?�t really get to them easily for a part number, as the car is in daily service and takin apart the top end on a cold winterâ�?��?�s day is not my idea of fun.

Sorry for the long post.

John.

This is another one I know

YL8E-C7B (2004 Escape) 19 lb/hr

Originally posted by 5speed3.0SE�?®:
well since i have my fuel rail off for leaking issues and since i also have tuning issues with adc, ill post my PN's here:

the ones i have currently on my 3L (01' taurus):

YL8E-B2A

and another set i had on a spare motor (00' taurus motor):

YF1E-A2C

so if anyone knows what size those guys are let me know...

i just had these two different injectors flowed....

YL8E-B2A
these flowed 19 lb/hr

YF1E-A2C
these flowed 25 lb/hr

hth in getting a list compiled...

Originally posted by 5speed3.0SE�?®:
just had these two different injectors flowed....

YL8E-B2A
these flowed 19 lb/hr

YF1E-A2C
these flowed 25 lb/hr

These were flowed at 45 PSI for anyone who cares.

Yes we care, thanks.

Originally posted by SvtTour98.5-3:

Originally posted by 5speed3.0SE�?®:
just had these two different injectors flowed....

YL8E-B2A
these flowed 19 lb/hr

YF1E-A2C
these flowed 25 lb/hr

These were flowed at 45 PSI for anyone who cares.

That makes a big difference!

Back calculating that makes them 17lb & 22lb injectors at the "Ford" rating. Ford rates at ~40psi.

Here's a couple sites to help find out what size injectors you have:

http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tableifc.htm

http://witchhunter.com/injectordata1.htm

http://witchhunter.com/injectorcalc1.htm

Can someone tell me if these injectors are high or low impedance?

High

thanks.

here's a page for the curious:
http://sdsefi.com/injectors.htm

Sorry I have not had the time to followup on this but here is what i've found.

OK, so i've talked to many dealerships, and each of them only has one (1) listing for replacement injectors for an 03 24V Taurus... CM-5082 (Ford Canada replacement part number)

Why am i being told by ADC that there are 5 when several Ford dealerships all claim there is only the one? I even asked if there was any record of box code having an impact.

So I don't know who to believe. If what ADC stated is in fact true, then why would ford not have any caviot that warns of different parts required for a different boxcode?

Damnit all i want os for this thing to run right. If someone's going to advertize as a professional with a solution, then it should work. I'm starting to get the feeling that the ADC chip will not work, they do not have the experience they claim, and they do not follow up with their customers to ensure satisfaction, which on something as custom as this, should be a given.

ADC..

Originally posted by touredon:
Sorry I have not had the time to followup on this but here is what i've found.

OK, so i've talked to many dealerships, and each of them only has one (1) listing for replacement injectors for an 03 24V Taurus... CM-5082 (Ford Canada replacement part number)

Why am i being told by ADC that there are 5 when several Ford dealerships all claim there is only the one? I even asked if there was any record of box code having an impact.

So I don't know who to believe. If what ADC stated is in fact true, then why would ford not have any caviot that warns of different parts required for a different boxcode?

Damnit all i want os for this thing to run right. If someone's going to advertize as a professional with a solution, then it should work. I'm starting to get the feeling that the ADC chip will not work, they do not have the experience they claim, and they do not follow up with their customers to ensure satisfaction, which on something as custom as this, should be a given.

ADC..

j.

That's a fairly ignorant post ya got there.

Canada..

Originally posted by Bohica:

Originally posted by touredon:
Sorry I have not had the time to followup on this but here is what i've found.

OK, so i've talked to many dealerships, and each of them only has one (1) listing for replacement injectors for an 03 24V Taurus... CM-5082 (Ford Canada replacement part number)

Why am i being told by ADC that there are 5 when several Ford dealerships all claim there is only the one? I even asked if there was any record of box code having an impact.

So I don't know who to believe. If what ADC stated is in fact true, then why would ford not have any caviot that warns of different parts required for a different boxcode?

Damnit all i want os for this thing to run right. If someone's going to advertize as a professional with a solution, then it should work. I'm starting to get the feeling that the ADC chip will not work, they do not have the experience they claim, and they do not follow up with their customers to ensure satisfaction, which on something as custom as this, should be a given.

ADC..

j.

That's a fairly ignorant post ya got there.

Canada..

One person represents a country for you?

Canada...

touredon if the tune you have now is for 24lb injectors then just buy some from a junk yard and call it a day. Pick up a set from a 99 Taurus 3.0L they only came with 24lb injectors. You'll have to swap back your return style injectors clips.

Originally posted by Bohica:

Originally posted by touredon:
Sorry I have not had the time to followup on this but here is what i've found.

OK, so i've talked to many dealerships, and each of them only has one (1) listing for replacement injectors for an 03 24V Taurus... CM-5082 (Ford Canada replacement part number)

Why am i being told by ADC that there are 5 when several Ford dealerships all claim there is only the one? I even asked if there was any record of box code having an impact.

So I don't know who to believe. If what ADC stated is in fact true, then why would ford not have any caviot that warns of different parts required for a different boxcode?

Damnit all i want os for this thing to run right. If someone's going to advertize as a professional with a solution, then it should work. I'm starting to get the feeling that the ADC chip will not work, they do not have the experience they claim, and they do not follow up with their customers to ensure satisfaction, which on something as custom as this, should be a given.

ADC..

j.

That's a fairly ignorant post ya got there.

Canada..

Please, explain how this is ignorant? I'd really like to see your reasoning behind you claim of ignorace.
Perhaps it is you who is ignorant. Did you even read the post?

do what i did and have a set flowed, then you and adc will know what size they are...

Originally posted by touredon:

Originally posted by Bohica:

Originally posted by touredon:
Sorry I have not had the time to followup on this but here is what i've found.

OK, so i've talked to many dealerships, and each of them only has one (1) listing for replacement injectors for an 03 24V Taurus... CM-5082 (Ford Canada replacement part number)

Why am i being told by ADC that there are 5 when several Ford dealerships all claim there is only the one? I even asked if there was any record of box code having an impact.

So I don't know who to believe. If what ADC stated is in fact true, then why would ford not have any caviot that warns of different parts required for a different boxcode?

Damnit all i want os for this thing to run right. If someone's going to advertize as a professional with a solution, then it should work. I'm starting to get the feeling that the ADC chip will not work, they do not have the experience they claim, and they do not follow up with their customers to ensure satisfaction, which on something as custom as this, should be a given.

ADC..

j.

That's a fairly ignorant post ya got there.

Canada..

Please, explain how this is ignorant? I'd really like to see your reasoning behind you claim of ignorace.
Perhaps it is you who is ignorant. Did you even read the post?

Yes, I read your damn post. That's why I responded to it, idiot!

ADC actually did the research and came onto the CEG board to provide us with information. You have NO idea what experience ADC has with these cars and therefore, you are ignorant in your post. You know not what you speak of. You are asking Ford dealerships to tell you what injectors are replacements for 3L Taurus engine? Try ordering them from the same dealerships you called and see what ACTUALLY comes in the box!

If you want it to be done right, get your injectors, figure out what the flow rate is, THEN get your chip. Don't say "I'm going to use 24#'ers, so program my chip that way" then get some 19#'ers.

You are publicly questioning ADC's competency based on your own dumbass assumptions.

Ok, everyone pay attention to me for 1 sec.

I work for Denso, the same company that makes our injectors.

I eat lunch with the guy who designed them.

Send my the part numbers/start a list, and I will tell you everything you would ever want to know about your injectors.

If someone comes to me with a list of 15 part numbers instead of 15 different people turning in 1, that would be great.

That is all.

-Tim

How about a deal on some spark plugs instead

.

Anyways I thought most of our injectors were made by Bosch. Ford racing injectors are Bosch as well I beleive

Here is a little info I got from a Tuarus forum:

QUOTE
Earlier 3L Duratecs (96-99 split port) used 24lbs injectors with a narrow spray pattern. After 2000 all 3L Duratecs began using 19lbs injectors with a wide spray pattern.

I suggest you rewire your harness for returnless style injectors and use 96-99 Taurus injectors (24lbs and light blue). Since you plan to run NO2. Also use a 96-99 3L MAF to match the injectors.

The 96-99 3L Duratec is return fuel, but uses the later stlye injectors like the 2000+ returnless Contour/Cougar. They are 24lbs and designed for split ports. The 2000+ 3L's are 19lbs and intended for oval ports.

and can be found at the following link.

http://www.taurusclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=30284&hl=

It was posted in January so I guess I have been holding out on you all.

Well, if you have them, look on the side of the plastic housing. If it is a Denso part, it will probably say Denso on it.

Regardless, if I have the part numbers, I can give you the list. My chart is a Ford generated chart, not Denso made.

-Tim

Originally posted by RodneyBur:
Here is a little info I got from a Tuarus forum:

QUOTE
Earlier 3L Duratecs (96-99 split port) used 24lbs injectors with a narrow spray pattern. After 2000 all 3L Duratecs began using 19lbs injectors with a wide spray pattern.

I suggest you rewire your harness for returnless style injectors and use 96-99 Taurus injectors (24lbs and light blue). Since you plan to run NO2. Also use a 96-99 3L MAF to match the injectors.

The 96-99 3L Duratec is return fuel, but uses the later stlye injectors like the 2000+ returnless Contour/Cougar. They are 24lbs and designed for split ports. The 2000+ 3L's are 19lbs and intended for oval ports.

Someone needs to read the injector spray post in regards to spray pattern...they are related and...if you use your noodle you can see which injectors it would be better to use in a oval port that has had its injector position compromised re 'spray angle'.....

and can be found at the following link.

http://www.taurusclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=30284&hl=

It was posted in January so I guess I have been holding out on you all.

Originally posted by RodneyBur:

QUOTE Spridget
Earlier 3L Duratecs (96-99 split port) used 24lbs injectors with a narrow spray pattern. After 2000 all 3L Duratecs began using 19lbs injectors with a wide spray pattern.

Eureka!

That's the answer we've been looking for.

TY Rodney & Spridget