Duratec....Zetec??? - CEG Archives

Also, goin out on a limb...

But the duratec that is on the Focus RS is the US Zetec, same engine different badging. Ford of Europe calls the zetec, duratec.. and there are the 1.6, 1.8, and 2.0L duratecs, RS uses the 2.0.

how come in the burton catalog, they call the zetec, zetec. they mention the new duratecs 4cyl and say parts will be available shortly, but they do call zetec---zetec. as does ford.

Originally posted by smoothy:
Also, goin out on a limb...

But the duratec that is on the Focus RS is the US Zetec, same engine different badging. Ford of Europe calls the zetec, duratec.. and there are the 1.6, 1.8, and 2.0L duratecs, RS uses the 2.0.

Nope they're a completely different family of engines...

This is definately not a zetec!

http://www.mazdaatenza.com/images/imggal/pages/engine.htm
http://www.mazdaatenza.com/images/imggal/pages/engine2.htm

Yes, the Duratec family 4 cylinder is the eventual succesor to the Zetec. In CA and Northeast states, the Focus now has a 2.3L Duratech.

But, the Z. was only introduced around 1994! The 8v 2.0 in the Focus LX dates back to 1981 Escort. It's kinda too bad the Z has a shorter life.

Originally posted by smoothy:
Also, goin out on a limb...

But the duratec that is on the Focus RS is the US Zetec, same engine different badging. Ford of Europe calls the zetec, duratec.. and there are the 1.6, 1.8, and 2.0L duratecs, RS uses the 2.0.

Originally posted by NavyZX5:
It's kinda too bad the Z has a shorter life.

Evolution

This is such a pointless thread.

Originally posted by LoCoZeTeC2.0:
This is such a pointless thread.

atleast I'm not the only one who thinks this...

2.3L duratec in Ford rangers.
Duratec 6 cyl in contour and Taurus.
The Euro Duratecs are new in the Mondeo and Focus.. 2.0,2.3, 2.5L displacement. they have the intake and exhaust ports on opposite sides compared to the zetec. they also have aluminum blocks.

Sorry if the thread had no purpous. it was was merly intrested in whcih one came first and what the diffrences are between the too. Just trying to expand my knowledge.

Roz

Originally posted by smoothy:
But the duratec that is on the Focus RS is the US Zetec, same engine different badging. Ford of Europe calls the zetec, duratec.. and there are the 1.6, 1.8, and 2.0L duratecs, RS uses the 2.0.

I don't think that's true. "Duratec" means aluminum block, no?

2.3L already in the Focus over here? Will that swap easily enough into a Zetec Tour? What's the power specs on those?

im still wondering how does the zetec work and what does it do?

I believe the 2.3 has 145 or so HP. I don't think it would be justified to swap out engines. I figured mine at the crank around 155 HP with a few mods.

Originally posted by cvkillacontour98:
im still wondering how does the zetec work and what does it do?

are u serious? it combusts gasoline and makes your car move.

Originally posted by LoCoZeTeC2.0:
I believe the 2.3 has 145 or so HP. I don't think it would be justified to swap out engines. I figured mine at the crank around 155 HP with a few mods.

yet look at all the V6 owners swapping out their 2.5's for 3.0's to get only a few hp.... remember brad noon was like 180's at SZ with his mods on it.... and with a few mods to the standard 2.5 they can be right around that too.

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

Originally posted by LoCoZeTeC2.0:
I believe the 2.3 has 145 or so HP. I don't think it would be justified to swap out engines. I figured mine at the crank around 155 HP with a few mods.

yet look at all the V6 owners swapping out their 2.5's for 3.0's to get only a few hp.... remember brad noon was like 180's at SZ with his mods on it.... and with a few mods to the standard 2.5 they can be right around that too.

Very true.

but then they can add headers and svt intake manifolds, super charger, and have more power than a 2.5L, though zetecs are coooler.

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
but then they can add headers and svt intake manifolds, super charger, and have more power than a 2.5L, though zetecs are coooler.

Please say nothing when it is compleatly clear you have no clue what you are talking about... cause
1 that can all be done to the 2.5 and have not much less HP as I ALREADY stated in this thread

wtf? when building a performance car, a few extra horsepower can make the difference, and considering a 3L duratec starts off with 30 more HP than a standard 2.5L, that's a good bit of power. add svt parts, etc. and a 2.5L with same mods will be beat by the 3L. there is only so much you can do to a duratec, max out a 2.5L and max out a 3L, the 3L will have more power. now, tell me I have no clue about what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
wtf? when building a performance car, a few extra horsepower can make the difference, and considering a 3L duratec starts off with 30 more HP than a standard 2.5L, that's a good bit of power. add svt parts, etc. and a 2.5L with same mods will be beat by the 3L. there is only so much you can do to a duratec, max out a 2.5L and max out a 3L, the 3L will have more power. now, tell me I have no clue about what I'm talking about.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Originally posted by LoCoZeTeC2.0:
You have no clue what you are talking about.

yo mamma.

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
yet look at all the V6 owners swapping out their 2.5's for 3.0's to get only a few hp..

TORQUE...Something you 4cyl lovers don't understand!

Originally posted by Blackie:

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
yet look at all the V6 owners swapping out their 2.5's for 3.0's to get only a few hp..

TORQUE...Something you 4cyl lovers don't understand!

Yup!! Too much torque can be a bad thing too.

Roz

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
wtf? when building a performance car, a few extra horsepower can make the difference, and considering a 3L duratec starts off with 30 more HP than a standard 2.5L, that's a good bit of power. add svt parts, etc. and a 2.5L with same mods will be beat by the 3L. there is only so much you can do to a duratec, max out a 2.5L and max out a 3L, the 3L will have more power. now, tell me I have no clue about what I'm talking about.

YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sure i don't,,,, know with zetecs, an engine swap is stupid, but with duratecs that don't last as long (average) and considering a 3L swap is easy and not overly expensive, then what's wrong with getting 30 more HP from the engine swap??????

Originally posted by rozwell911:
Yup!! Too much torque can be a bad thing too.

Roz

WHAT!?

Torque is great!

Originally posted by rozwell911:
Yup!! Too much torque can be a bad thing too.

Roz

MORE Torque means you have MUCH better pickup more HP means you have a better top end speed.
you can never have too much TQ.... the high TQ that I have it what allows me to hang with the ATX duratec with ALOT more HP and more TQ than me... plus they duratec tour is a little heaver.

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

Originally posted by rozwell911:
Yup!! Too much torque can be a bad thing too.

Roz

MORE Torque means you have MUCH better pickup more HP means you have a better top end speed.
you can never have too much TQ.... the high TQ that I have it what allows me to hang with the ATX duratec with ALOT more HP and more TQ than me... plus they duratec tour is a little heaver.

Ummmm I have more torque than you.

Originally posted by LoCoZeTeC2.0:

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

Originally posted by rozwell911:
Yup!! Too much torque can be a bad thing too.

Roz

MORE Torque means you have MUCH better pickup more HP means you have a better top end speed.
you can never have too much TQ.... the high TQ that I have it what allows me to hang with the ATX duratec with ALOT more HP and more TQ than me... plus they duratec tour is a little heaver.

Ummmm I have more torque than you.

Here we go...
/grabbing popcorn and a comfy seat/

Originally posted by t-red2000se:

Originally posted by LoCoZeTeC2.0:

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

Originally posted by rozwell911:
Yup!! Too much torque can be a bad thing too.

Roz

MORE Torque means you have MUCH better pickup more HP means you have a better top end speed.
you can never have too much TQ.... the high TQ that I have it what allows me to hang with the ATX duratec with ALOT more HP and more TQ than me... plus they duratec tour is a little heaver.

Ummmm I have more torque than you.

Here we go...
/grabbing popcorn and a comfy seat/

No contest all I have to do is grab my MOST RECENT dyno graphs.

OK your max is 121 mine is 124..... OK sure you have more

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Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
OK your max is 121 mine is 124..... OK sure you have more

Does it [censored] matter? It's 3 lb-ft of tq on a 3,000lb car...doesn't matter one shred.
Joe, you always get in these pathetic pissing contests, and the only result is your inevitable transformation into a complete cock.
But I suppose if somebody did have better numbers than you, you'd claim "the dyno was downhill"

Grow up, your rants are pathetic and bore us.

Originally posted by t-red2000se:
Does it [censored] matter? It's 3 lb-ft of tq on a 3,000lb car...doesn't matter one shred.

excuse me? all I said was a simple fact he says he has more TQ than me.... I would sure like to see where cause I do have his last dyno since I am the one who scanned it into the computer for him.

Originally posted by t-red2000se:
Joe, you always get in these pathetic pissing contests, and the only result is your inevitable transformation into a complete cock.
But I suppose if somebody did have better numbers than you, you'd claim "the dyno was downhill"

Grow up, your rants are pathetic and bore us.

what can I as Iam an Assh@le deal with it. and why would I say that??? Darrel has ALWAYS had a better dyno than me have I ever said anything about his dyno????? why no, no I haven't.... and since you brought up the downhill thing which refers to hectors run at byron guess what when I was still running mid 17's laters that same week I went to byron a few years a go and got a 16.6 where 4 days before my best was a 17.7 and we will see how much of a differance that track is again here in april when I go there and to my usual track and you don't see my posting about my 16.6 I ran at byron cause of the way the track is.
and If you don't like what I have to say go Fu@k yourself and don't bother reading my posts

Originally posted by LoCoZeTeC2.0:

Originally posted by rozwell911:
Yup!! Too much torque can be a bad thing too.

Roz

WHAT!? Torque is great!

Exactly. There is no such thing as too much torque. I wish I had more

...

Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

Originally posted by t-red2000se:
Does it [censored] matter? It's 3 lb-ft of tq on a 3,000lb car...doesn't matter one shred.

excuse me? all I said was a simple fact he says he has more TQ than me.... I would sure like to see where cause I do have his last dyno since I am the one who scanned it into the computer for him.

Originally posted by t-red2000se:
Joe, you always get in these pathetic pissing contests, and the only result is your inevitable transformation into a complete cock.
But I suppose if somebody did have better numbers than you, you'd claim "the dyno was downhill"

Grow up, your rants are pathetic and bore us.

what can I as Iam an and If you don't like what I have to say go <a href="mailto:Fu@k">Assh@le">Assh@le</a> deal with it. and why would I say that??? Darrel has ALWAYS had a better dyno than me have I ever said anything about his dyno????? why no, no I haven't.... and since you brought up the downhill thing which refers to hectors run at byron guess what when I was still running mid 17's laters that same week I went to byron a few years a go and got a 16.6 where 4 days before my best was a 17.7 and we will see how much of a differance that track is again here in april when I go there and to my usual track and you don't see my posting about my 16.6 I ran at byron cause of the way the track is.
and If you don't like what I have to say go <a href="mailto:Fu@k yourself and don't bother reading my posts

Care to scan your dyno a few months ago? 111Hp and 117 Tq, which is lower than 121Hp and 121Tq.

But I won't argue about this again.

This is getting old.