my roomate at school owns an srt-4 as well-- aside from being a neon (i personally don't like the body style, etc.) they are hella fast and i give more respect then my svt would ever get

I read the stats on his car, thanks. He put a lot of work into it. His time would have been better spent though working a second job at the in-and-out burger to save for a C5, than build something that might explode into a million pieces trying to beat one. I'm aware he isn't running nitrous...by the sounds of it though, it could be A1 sauce....or a shot of steamy methane...better check the stickers under the hood.
I can say that that it would be fairly unbelievable, based on prerecorded stats by car testing eggheads on all sorts of vehicles of all sizes, weights and motor sizes, that a 3 L in his car, would flat out run a 3.1 L stroker motor in a z, with a 4:11 posi rear, that weighs about as much as a 1991 civic, give or take the duct tape....regardless of what 1/4 mile or 0-60 times are recorded in his sticker album.

I agree, the neons are quick...I give it to chrysler to bring back the sleeper, reminds me of the days of the omni GLH. it's still not a car for me, I am a big fan of styling, to me the neon looks like a skittle with some IKEA furniture stapped to the trunk.

So you're saying a RWD car that weighs as little as a civic with near 300whp can't run better than a 13.something? Sounds like the driver is the problem.

Funny thing about this is I never claimed to beat a C5 vette and you did.

For the bench racers...

C5 vette

4.4-4.5
12.5-12.6 @ 113mph

I don't think so Tim... Not now, not on the internet, and not in real life. Well I suppose if the driver sucks and ran mid 13's or slower but then that's like saying you beat a Top Fuel car; that broke at the line.

All this beaten by a never going to get traction from a stop Datsun. A light weight Datsun is about as traction limited as our FWD platform is. (btw I've driven several and built a 79 Fairlady {82 turbo engine & 5-speed} and before you cry BS I'll save you the embarassment because I lived in Japan for ~3 years ) I also rebuilt a 75 260Z for a friend. (nice car I like Datsuns/Nissans)


As for your car. It's too bad I can't run at one of those metric Canadian tracks. Shocking times always seem to come from there and the great cold dense air. (That's an old joke btw - don't cry eh)


So I guess this all boils down to you trying to divert attention and flame me for something you claimed and I never did. Just how does that work anyway???


Can I see you beat a 12.5 @ 113 C5 please... The only time I ran against one I treed his ass, he spun through the first couple gears, and I still lost by a few tenths... Heck there's a good story about it in a post from last fall. They kill both of our cars in the power to weight department.

First off, I don't dispute your 0-60 or 1/4 mile claims. I do think you are not being realistic to state that you could run a car with considerably less weight and more power, with similar traction. And I meant the z not a C5. You mentioned that my z was most likely as fast as your car, which is an understatement.
I didn't mean to put down the work you put in your car with the in-and-out burger comment, I was just hacking on you there.

That being said,I didn't race a C5 at the track. And I never said I raced a Z06. Your stats are for a 2001 Z06. The Z06 runs 4.6 to 60, and are faster than the 2001 C5 I raced. But for arguement sake, a 385 hp Z06 has a similar power/weight ratio as my z. Between 8-8.5 hp. So you are partly right, they kill your car in power to weight, but not mine. A Z06 will keep up with a C6. So I guess I can claim I can run a C6. My track run was a 13.1 against a 500 hp early 90's TT Z, with lots of mods as you can imagine, that made a noise like a jet when it took off. Don't ask me what my trap time was or reaction or whatever because it was for fun at a track meet and I only had one go at it...and I didn't really care either. Like I said, i don't record my times in my diary or sticker album. I never had the car on the 1/4 before that, as the car was really built for autocross. Pretty good for someone with no real previous 'track time'. I also said it is difficult to get traction in the z, not impossible. Hence the variations in g-tech times.

The 13.1 I ran was in the z with the old 3.1 configuration. With the new rear, cam and webbers, I am easily in the 12's. I can say this because I have beaten a c5 vette with 40,000 km on the odo, and we all know what they run now....and we all know that if you add 40+ hp and better gearing to your car, you will run better, so I can claim that my car could be in the 12s without having been at the track. Lets face it, the majority of races are not happening at the track, at least not in my car.
My 4.6-5.5 0-60 times were also based on me having a g-tech for 1/2 hour and trying to get a good run. there were more readings in the 4s than the 5's. Keep in mind I hit 60 mph early on in 2nd gear, the car will top out at 150 mph + That being said, it isn't too unbelievable to say that I have beaten a C5.

I lived in korea for two summers, doesn't mean I can make great spring rolls or enjoyed a good dong jip. The 75 fairlady was nice, and rare in NA, but they are quite a bit heavier than the 240 models, and have all kinds of smog goodies that made them the slowest eary z's. My car has no smog, to say the least. The 3.1 stroker is a monster motor. It has a similar power output as a smallblock v-8, but sounds a lot better.It would be like you dropping a late model cobra motor in your car. The difference in acceleration, handling etc over a stock z is insane. It drives, sounds and handles more like a porsche 911 turbo. The gas milage isn't the best, but when you have 3 big carbs sucking fuel that is understandable. I don;t have an video of me racing the vette but I do have some in car video of me racing my brother's old 71 split bumper camaro with a punched out 350, I lost but not by as much as you would think as his camaro was running around 600hp. I didn't take the vid so I would have to track it down.

Your canadian jokes don't bother me, they just show ignorance that some of you have down there have. I stress some of you. I love the states, considered living there, and never feel the need to put down america or americans despite all the canuk jokes on this forum. Read up on the space shuttle program, it would not have gotten off the ground had it not been for dozens of 'defecting' canadian scientists from the axed arrow program. And do a search on the prestigious cam-am tank competition. the Canadians beat the americans 3 out of the last 4 times using vastly inferior equipment....the 3 auto plants with the highest quality ratings in north america are in Ontario, Canada....blah blah. We are not as useless as you think. a 1/4 mile is a quarter mile. For someone who has lived in Japan, you seem pretty naieve towards other countries, particularly your neighbours from the north.

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:

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So you're saying a RWD car that weighs as little as a civic with near 300whp can't run better than a 13.something? Sounds like the driver is the problem.

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well, you know I'm canadian, we can't drive up here and the tracks are all downhill, and it's hard to shift with a pepsi in your hand.