1992 BMW 325i VS 2001 Jetta 1.8T VS me

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K, we are getting right surly about stats right now, what do you guys think about me vs my buddies...one guy has a 1992 BMW 325i auto and the other has a 2001 Jetta 1.8 turbo manual and then there's me with auto 'stique. The numbers say the Jetta would win to 60mph based on stats. Both the Jetta and BMW are stock, and I've got the SVT exhaust and an intake. Of course the real test is to actually go, but wanna see what you guys would think....

uh lose to the jetta, close with the 325? i dunno go and find out and tell us the results. preferably with slips/pictures/video and at a track

You have an ATX. Either one of these cars will lay tarmac to your face. The Jetta with the turbo will snap you off the line and the BMW being rear drive puts traction in his favor as well. Plus those German I6 horses always seem a little bigger than BMW says they are.

I wouldn't even waste my time embarassing myself.

-SAV

Originally posted by SAV:
You have an ATX. Either one of these cars will lay tarmac to your face. The Jetta with the turbo will snap you off the line and the BMW being rear drive puts traction in his favor as well. Plus those German I6 horses always seem a little bigger than BMW says they are.

I wouldn't even waste my time embarassing myself.

-SAV

Umm...OK, thought it would be pretty close considering.... not laying tarmac....

If my first post came off as harsh, I'll apologise for it.

But the reality of ATX Duratecs are painful. I thought my old car was balls out fast when I drove it around, but you learn just how slow it actually is the first time you strap it to the timers.

I guess it's a bonus that your car feels faster than it is.

But against a Bimmer and a turbo Jetta? That's a stretch even for an MTX Duratec.

-SAV

I dont know the 1.8 T isnt to great.. I guess if the driver is good oh well go have some fun at the track and let us know.

Yah, we are gonna go for sure, the stats are so close that it's gonna come down to the way one drives and the alignment of the stars that day.

I'm at a cross roads now with the 'stique. I love the car so much, but want more. I've finally got it to the point that I am proud of how it looks and that's always been my goal, but now I am unsatisfied at performance...I know am severely limited by the ATX, but it's GOOD, not amazing, but GOOD. I plan on hanging onto it for at least another 2 years. Should I accept it for what it is an not do anything to it and ditch it in a few years, or should I start (or finish) with the likes of the Superchips Computer Module and go from there? I know the benefits of the chip on the auto are significant, but beyond that, not sure what else I can do to keep me satisfied, ya know? Thoughts/comments anyone?

My ATX duratec ran a 16.4 @ 85mph with just an optimized TB. Your car should be capable of being a little quicker than that. Considering it has the SVT exhaust on it.

Its really up to you with what you want to do with the car. If you want a car that nothing else can touch, this isn't your platform. If you want a car thats fun to drive and handles awesome then maybe this is the car for you.

It does suck though, to go to the track and have cars with much less power beat you. These cars simply weren't made to be straight line cars...

Oh if you do race them (at the track of course

) Be sure you turn o/d off... It'll shave off about 3 tenths... It goes into a sport mode and shifts quicker...

Originally posted by LoganB:
I dont know the 1.8 T isnt to great.. I guess if the driver is good oh well go have some fun at the track and let us know.

a manual 1.8t car can lay high 14's with a 2.0 60' and a good driver stock...they're great cars except when they break

Originally posted by 2.3Turbochicken:

Originally posted by LoganB:
I dont know the 1.8 T isnt to great.. I guess if the driver is good oh well go have some fun at the track and let us know.

a manual 1.8t car can lay high 14's with a 2.0 60' and a good driver stock...they're great cars except when they break

you wouldn't have a chance with the 325 too, my sister's is an 85 325ix probably weights a little more than you friends its full loaded and has the AWD. off the line its slow compared to my tour but thats because of the AWD+TC, but once it gets above 2000RPMs it hauls ass.
with WOT the bimmer will drive as if its chipped. actually there is an electronic switch under the gas pedal once its engaged the car will rev up to the limiter and stay above 5000rpms. the auto is really aggressive especially if you friend has the sport switch, it gives him the option to drive in economy/sport or AWD high if its IX equiped.

Originally posted by abwamo:
you wouldn't have a chance with the 325 too, my sister's is an 85 325ix probably weights a little more than you friends its full loaded and has the AWD. off the line its slow compared to my tour but thats because of the AWD+TC, but once it gets above 2000RPMs it hauls ass.
with WOT the bimmer will drive as if its chipped. actually there is an electronic switch under the gas pedal once its engaged the car will rev up to the limiter and stay above 5000rpms. the auto is really aggressive especially if you friend has the sport switch, it gives him the option to drive in economy/sport or AWD high if its IX equiped.

<<< ( Gots da switch in his '86 325e )

The 1.8T will own you both. Stock - it would be under 8 sec 0-60. With a chip, it would be under 7 sec 0-60 and under 15 in the 1/4 mile.

Nice little engine, albeit a bit buzzy. Much more lively when it doesn't have to pull around AWD in Audis.

Kerry

Originally posted by Electric Frost:

I'm at a cross roads now with the 'stique. I love the car so much, but want more. I've finally got it to the point that I am proud of how it looks and that's always been my goal, but now I am unsatisfied at performance...I know am severely limited by the ATX, but it's GOOD, not amazing, but GOOD. I plan on hanging onto it for at least another 2 years. Should I accept it for what it is an not do anything to it and ditch it in a few years, or should I start (or finish) with the likes of the Superchips Computer Module and go from there? I know the benefits of the chip on the auto are significant, but beyond that, not sure what else I can do to keep me satisfied, ya know? Thoughts/comments anyone?

coming from someone who owned a 96 v6 atx, and then after it spun a bearing (got it to 160k+ tho

)and then i bought an svt... just keep that car pretty much how it is... upgrade audio and whatnot if you are so inclined... but if you want a contique to mod(for performance), get an mtx version of one and then go from there. (unless you are like some on this site that feel comfortable switching an mtx for an atx)

I was neck and neck with a 2003 VR6 golf...and they put down similar power as the 1.8T, but slightly lighter

Hold up hold up...I just noticed you have a Mystique GS.

Mum had a '99 Mystique GS once upon a time. It had the standard Zetec, and I don't recall the 2.5L being an option on Mercury's basement offering in the Mystique line up. I recall that snagging a Duratec bumped you up to the LS line, with sunroof, power seats, leather steering wheel/shift knob and alloy wheels among other things. Unless Mercury did things different just one model year before, I hope to the CDW gods that you're not thinking you can rope it with a Bimmer and a whistled Jetta with an ATX Zetec.

There are semis, school buses, and namely a certain porky red/tan Korean minivan that lay drag times to the weakest of our bretheren.

Please clarify this for us.

-SAV

from what ive seen, badges arent definate for meaning on thing or another on this platform. but im not that sure on mystiques

Originally posted by LoganB:
I dont know the 1.8 T isnt to great.. I guess if the driver is good oh well go have some fun at the track and let us know.

1.8T sucks,, just kidding.. add GIAC and its OVA!

Originally posted by SAV:
Hold up hold up...I just noticed you have a Mystique GS.

Mum had a '99 Mystique GS once upon a time. It had the standard Zetec, and I don't recall the 2.5L being an option on Mercury's basement offering in the Mystique line up. I recall that snagging a Duratec bumped you up to the LS line, with sunroof, power seats, leather steering wheel/shift knob and alloy wheels among other things. Unless Mercury did things different just one model year before, I hope to the CDW gods that you're not thinking you can rope it with a Bimmer and a whistled Jetta with an ATX Zetec.

There are semis, school buses, and namely a certain porky red/tan Korean minivan that lay drag times to the weakest of our bretheren.

Please clarify this for us.

-SAV

mother of god! YES I have the Duratec 2.5L V6...what a joke I would be if I were asking this with a zetec. On a side note, the BMW owner and I have both driven each other's vehicles and both figure it would be close which is why we posed the question...mainly cause of the full of himself Jetta owner bragging he would own us both.

As for the GS/LS badging, it remains a mystery to me. I really don't know the difs between LS/GS?, but the LS model had aluminum rims and other options like a sunroof, spoiler, and leather, and fog lamps, whereas the GS was a bit plainer...as far as I know.

Also, I am from Canada, so maybe Mercury didn't even offer Zetec 'stqiques up here....??

But I definitely have the V6. Here's a pic of my engine bay:

There WERE GS Duratec Mystiques. GS is just the level of exterior and interior trim. I have the GS Zetec, but I have seen GS Duratecs before. Also, apparently, there were some LS Zetecs made too, so badging isn't a definite standard on Mercs. On Mercury vehicles, there tend to be more variation in options than on Fords. Oh and I got the silver wheels, not steelies. It's just one of the benefits of having the "not quite Lincoln" branded version.

Oh and that Jetta's a monster my friend. I just took a spin in my buddy's '04 GLI, and it was quite the thrill ride! Gotta love that turbo noise! *Tsssssss* *Chee* *Tsssss*...