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Posted By: Mod-deth What's Stock.... - 11/05/03 04:27 PM
When it comes to Auto-Xing the SVT in the stock class? What can be changed? What if the part was stock on a euro model? Since this area is hardly ever used..I was hoping that those that have a lot of experience in the stock class would throw me a bone.
Posted By: todras_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/05/03 05:09 PM
As a rough guide, if your car has modifications beyond this list it is not eligible for Stock Category:

-Anything available on the exact model and year of your car as standard or optional equipment, as installed on the factory assembly line (nothing available only dealer-installed is allowed), plus
-Standard OEM identical replacement parts
-Accessories, gauges, appearance, comfort, and convenience items (not replacement driver's seat, though) that basically don't help
-Added roll bar or roll cage to spec (not required, though)
-Driver harness (no cutting seats to install, though)
-Trailer hitch and/or tow bar mountings
-Any wheel of diameter and width identical to a stock or factory optional wheel, offset within +- 0.25 inch
-Most street legal tires that will fit the mounted wheels and stock bodywork
-Any shock absorber of the same type and mounting as original; no change to standard spring mountings is allowed; suspension geometry may not be altered; gas or hydraulic shocks are permitted
-Any brake linings; pre-1992 cars may use solid/braided metal brake lines.
-Any front anti-roll bar (no change to stock/optional rear anti-roll bar, if present)
-Manufacturer specified ignition settings only
-Any replacement air filter element (or removal of air filter element); no plumbing changes, however
-Engine bored no more than .020"; no balancing or porting/polishing of head
-Replacement of any part of the exhaust system past the catalytic converter (if quiet)
-Any oil filter
-Added clutch scattershield

See here for everything
http://mouton.best.vwh.net/sccasolo/Rules/stock.html#s131
Posted By: RogerB_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/05/03 05:24 PM
Originally posted by mcgainer:
What if the part was stock on a euro model?




Has to have been a US spec part.

Otherwise, Todras pretty much got it.

Click, read, and bookmark this site (Mouton's) for more info.

Oh, and, if you want the short answer, your K-1's wouldn't fly, but you could mount DOT race rubber on your stockers. Your Koni's are OK, but your GC's, Aussie bar, and poly bushes are not.

And the 3.0 is right out.
Posted By: todras_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/05/03 06:54 PM
I'm prepared for getting stomped in SM next year. Maybe I can pass these as STS. Yea right. As long as I'm having fun.

· 2001 3L Long block swap
· Relocated battery
· Mystery mod
· Quife diff. w/ Zetec final drive
· Lightened flywheel to 14 lbs.
· Sparco Harness
· Alternator & PS lightened pully's
· 16" SVT E0's & SVT body parts
· KKM filter & oil cap
· Powder coated OMP bar
· Rear strut tower brace
· BAT springs & poly bushings w/ST200 struts
· 24mm Aussie bar w/ boxed subframe
· SHO Shop SS Y-pipe, SVT exhaust, & Vibrant res.
· Bendix Titanium pads with new rotors 4/20/02
Posted By: Mod-deth Re: What's Stock.... - 11/05/03 07:06 PM
O-k...having read the attached link, it looks like:

I cannot update to the 2000 UIM/LIM.

I cannot port match the UIM/LIM

I cannot do a proper valve performance job.

I can remove the resonator.

I can run pretty much what I want on EOs.

I can run poly bushings where ever I can fit them.

No frame strengthening (even foam?)
Posted By: todras_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/05/03 07:48 PM
No foam for you! -Soup Nazi
Posted By: weargle Re: What's Stock.... - 11/05/03 09:14 PM
Your GCs immediately take you out of GS as well, but you could have kept the stock springs with the Konis like I did ...
Posted By: Mod-deth Re: What's Stock.... - 11/06/03 01:53 PM
Well..here's what has happened:

Sold the Koni/GC set up.

The 3L as a project has been ditched.

Sold the big K&N.

Trading for a stock exhaust.

My actual plan was to go straight SVT suspension, get the 2000 UIM/LIM and do some cheater porting. Rebuild the 2.5 cheaply (since I won't be pushing big #s). I know the 3L block could be substituted more cheaply, but w/out a LSD...probably be spinning my arse all thru the course. Plus that goes a little beyond the common cheating most people due.

My big prob is the Ausie bar. My rear mount broke, and I had TH box the subframe and install the bar. Not sure if I can just bolt back in the stocker?
Posted By: RogerB_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/06/03 02:32 PM
Why don't you want to run STS?

GS is kind of a dead class in my region. STS has much larger fields, and (as I've said many times), there's a guy here with a bone-stock SVT who does really well.

Posted By: chknhwk_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/06/03 02:34 PM
Why are you changing your car for a competition you might only do once or twice a month? To compete? Have you ever done a road course?
I don't understand why someone would change the way their car rides all the time for a weekend thing...
I'm not flaming your choice - just trying to understand it.
Posted By: Mod-deth Re: What's Stock.... - 11/06/03 02:43 PM
No problem.

I just got engaged...and my house has grown from 4 people to 7! Everything I've sold off my car I've made profit off of. It'll just be cheaper to run stock...keep the mods light...blame my driving skills and not the "parts" when I do poorly. The 3L never got off the ground, TBH.

Long story...anyways...

And also..I like the car...a lot, but I'm not willing to keep dumping $$$ into it just to be beat at the light by sh*t cars. I can still run Gratton and Gingerman track days, Auto-X, and even the all day driving schools. Then in a year after the...(hangs head in shame) mini-van...I can get something a little more race specific.
Posted By: todras_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/06/03 02:47 PM
Yea I say run STS as well. I placed 3rd out of like 30 cars at the season ender a couple years ago. I still had stock suspension w/ over 100k on it.
Posted By: Mod-deth Re: What's Stock.... - 11/06/03 03:13 PM
I'm not gonna lose sleep at what ever class I get put into. Right now...as the SVT is once again gonna be the winter hauler...I need to be able to get thru the damn car washes...which the BAT kit keeps me from doing!
Posted By: todras_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/06/03 03:31 PM
I drive mine through the BP/Amoco touchless w/o problem.
Posted By: RogerB_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/06/03 09:40 PM
Nothing wrong with Minivans, son. Welcome to adulthood, and congratulations for not buying into the "SUV" hype.

Not all, but many, of the current crop of "SUVs" are nothing more than glorified minivans, anyway, (with some of the utility removed, I might add.)

Posted By: Mod-deth Re: What's Stock.... - 11/07/03 02:05 PM
RogerB...I hope that you're older than 39...cause I'll be 40 this April. And my girls are 13, 11, 9. Been doing the adulthood thing for quite some time...

And...my other car is a 535i...I have never/would never even consider a SUV (Stupidity UniVersally-applied). Need a truck...get a truck. Need to transport people in comfort and safety...get a Mini-V. Need thrills...my SVT!!

Now...someone cough up a 2000 UIM/LIM combo!!
Posted By: RogerB_dup1 Re: What's Stock.... - 11/07/03 05:15 PM
Originally posted by mcgainer:
RogerB...I hope that you're older than 39...cause I'll be 40 this April. And my girls are 13, 11, 9. Been doing the adulthood thing for quite some time...

And...my other car is a 535i...I have never/would never even consider a SUV (Stupidity UniVersally-applied). Need a truck...get a truck. Need to transport people in comfort and safety...get a Mini-V. Need thrills...my SVT!!

Now...someone cough up a 2000 UIM/LIM combo!!




Well, I'm 37, and my kids are 7, 6, 1.6, and .25.

Congratulations on your adulthood. What's it like?

Sounds like we're of the same mind on the "Me-Too-V's," but I love minivans unapologetically.

And, sorry about the "son" thing. It was only in jest, and I always thought you were younger.
Posted By: Mod-deth Re: What's Stock.... - 11/07/03 05:31 PM
Originally posted by RogerB:



And, sorry about the "son" thing. It was only in jest, and I always thought you were younger.




Jest taken Roger...no problem!

Its just I just got my kids all trained right..."No mini-vans for us!"...and here I come along...ewwwww. Anyways..it fits where I am right now I guess.

Posted By: TourDeForce Re: What's Stock.... - 11/12/03 10:42 PM
You kids are so funny.
Posted By: DemonSVT_dup1 Class, what class... - 11/13/03 06:49 AM
Originally posted by todras:
I'm prepared for getting stomped in SM next year. Maybe I can pass these as STS. Yea right. As long as I'm having fun.

· 2001 3L Long block swap



Well "technically" a 3L is under the 3.1L sedan engine limit for STS class...

However then adding a LSD bumps you to STX automatically. Bummer...



E - Street Prepared (ESP) is also another possible class choice too.
Posted By: RogerB_dup1 Re: Class, what class... - 11/13/03 03:07 PM
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by todras:
I'm prepared for getting stomped in SM next year. Maybe I can pass these as STS. Yea right. As long as I'm having fun.

· 2001 3L Long block swap




Well "technically" a 3L is under the 3.1L sedan engine limit for STS class...






But it blows by even SP in terms of allowed engine mods. (But I'm sure you knew that... )
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