Extrude Hone - Interest check

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Originally posted by mbb41:
I would assume it would have to be reasonably quick as most don't have a second UIM to slap on in the meantime. I'd be interested but suspect $ will make it prohibative.

Evan I have a spare UIM if you decide to do this BTW.

Thanks Mark. If that's the case and I can borrow yours I'd be looking at June (must have it back before July 1) as July and August are full of track days

Originally posted by timeless420:

Originally posted by mbb41:
I would assume it would have to be reasonably quick as most don't have a second UIM to slap on in the meantime. I'd be interested but suspect $ will make it prohibative.

Evan I have a spare UIM if you decide to do this BTW.

Thanks Mark. If that's the case and I can borrow yours I'd be looking at June (must have it back before July 1) as July and August are full of track days

very interested

As I posted before, I'm down. Can pricing for a second pass also be investigated?

Thanks.

Intrested. Doe it have to be the svt manifold?

Normal 2.5 UIM = zero honed
98-99? SVT UIM = single honed
00 SVT UIM = dual honed
(someone please correct me if I'm wrong on the dates)

It's looking like there is some interest. I can look into getting pricing info on 1 pass, 2 passes, etc.

I'm interested as well if we can approach a price like what we talked about in the other thread. I'll have an extra UIM to throw in.

Thanks,

Massiv.

Bueno. We're at 9 interested so far.

I am interested probably looking at this summer...pending price as well.

interested

I am interested. However, since I have a '00, and have dual honed... can they go more?

I'm interested to see all the info. Price, gain, etc.
Sooo.... Yes, I am interested.

I am interested! Also interested in the availability of two passes (i have a 98 svt manifold). Thanks.

I'm interested. Have you checked into the possibility of one price for "max" extrude honing, per Swazo in the other thread? About 1-2 months from now would be perfect. I can (and will, if necessary) go in on this sooner. However, we all know how short 1-2 months is for a CEG GB.

If I can get this end product....

Primary: 33mm
Secondary: 34.3mm
TB Inlet: 67mm

.....or "max" out the UIM as DemonSVT has established with EH, I'm in depending on time frame

At $200-250 I'm interested..

Originally posted by Derk2000:
Normal 2.5 UIM = zero honed
98-99? SVT UIM = single honed
00 SVT UIM = dual honed
(someone please correct me if I'm wrong on the dates)

It's looking like there is some interest. I can look into getting pricing info on 1 pass, 2 passes, etc.

Actually..
98-98.5 = single Honed UIM
99-00 = dual Honed UIM

Awhile back I got some approx CFU rates from Extrude Hone..
stock = 155 CFU
single= 170 CFU
double= 180 CFU
triple= 188-190 CFU

We also know the SVT heads were flowed at 210-215 CFU (stock is about 195)..and t.body is reportedly over 300 CFU. So the point is that even on a 2.5L the UIM may be flow limiting factor along with LIM butterflies..

I don't know if that posted but here it is again: Quote is for $200 @ 20 piece min.

That's for a single pass right?

All runners if that's what you mean.

Single pass isn't enough for my needs, I'll have to just follow through with my original plans.

But those who are looking for a single pass, $200 is a good deal.

Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Actually..
98-98.5 = single Honed UIM
99-00 = dual Honed UIM

So the point is that even on a 2.5L the UIM may be flow limiting factor along with LIM butterflies..

Thank you for the correction and establishing that the UIM may indeed be a limiting factor.

I didn't call today, but I will tomorrow. I'll try and jot down some of these questions and try to get some answers, too.

Originally posted by timeless420:
Interested, but it all depends on what their turn-around time is.

I'm interested at $200....

Originally posted by livinsvt:
Intrested. Does it have to be the svt manifold?

Actualy what I meant to say is does it have to be a contour manifold?

I'm interested as well depending on pricing

I would be in also but.... I live in Ireland. I know there is an Extrude Hone in Shannon (Ireland), when you are talking to them, can you ask if its a possibility that I can get it done here in Ireland?
If so I am so in. I even have my standard UIM in the garage to put back on while I wait for this. Thanks,
Ronan

I don't know about Ireland. It seems like it'd be more work and $$$ to send it over seas when you've got a place right there on your island.

I called today and left a message. Call not yet returned.

I am interested.

Im definately interested...that is if it is in the next 2wks...hmmmm...I wonder why....

Update
I talked to EH today. Here's the skinny:
There is a fellow that is sending his UIM for a "new method" of honing. Something about backflow sumpinerother. The point being, this new method is supposed to bump up the flow by a significant amount. He's expecting something in the 270 cfm range, IIRC (I didn't write it down

)
This new method should be setup, performed, and flow tested within a month.

The following prices are the estimated costs for this new method (if it proves to provide more flow):
Normal price - $395
Group buy - ~$330, down to $275 with 20 people.

I was told that an "organizer" should send EH a list of confirmed buyers, have the buyers send EH their UIMs, and once the bulk of the UIMs arrive, they'll setup their machinery to do one UIM after another after another. (Wise business practice, IMO).

Estimated turnaround time: 2-3 weeks to get all the UIMs done.

Questions?

I will do it if we can get 20 people. To bad its not the $200 price, but oh well, hopefully this new process works out. I will need my manifold back by spring zing though.

I'm still interested, but it would have to be at the 20 person price. Again, I can do without my UIM from about the end of May but I would have to have it back by June 25th at the absolute latest otherwise count me out since I'd need it back for the track days in July. If we do it earlier, I would have to be guaranteed to have it back by May 19th

So what does Demon's and SSmuchoo manifolds flow cfm wise? What do they flow stock? I guess I realy need some good comparisons to be in on this for sure. Thanks

Originally posted by livinsvt:
So what does Demon's and SSmuchoo manifolds flow cfm wise? What do they flow stock? I guess I realy need some good comparisons to be in on this for sure. Thanks

Read Dan Nixon's post.

about upper 180's, close to 190cfm.

270cfm, if they CAN do that, would be an amazing boost given the relative choke hold the UIM is compared to the flow of the heads, etc. I wonder if they could do this process on a Triple EH UIM. . .Hmmmm,

Originally posted by ssmumich00:
about upper 180's, close to 190cfm.

270cfm, if they CAN do that, would be an amazing boost given the relative choke hold the UIM is compared to the flow of the heads, etc. I wonder if they could do this process on a Triple EH UIM. . .Hmmmm,

. I don't see how they can gain 100cfm just with a new process. Is this already tested on a svt manifold? I know you said one is being sent in. But in the other thread, a guy mentioned they have several laying around. I would think they could pull one off for test purposes. If its true I would be in for sure.

im just curious about something. 100 cfm is a whole lot. now i know this first hand it is very important to maintain a certain amount of velocity in the intake runners. bigger isnt neccesarily better. right? i mean thats why you see people with velocity stacks even when not using a manifold otherwise your fuel wont atomize and itll puddle. just like your not supposed to "polish" and smooth out your intake ports on your heads as well as even mess with em too much when porting and polishing. your just posed to port match the manifold to the head and rough up the head a little. im sure this wont hurt the svt if EH is involved but 100 cfm is a lot. i guess it wouldnt matter too much with boost but to really crank it open for people with na i think thats a little tricky.

Originally posted by dallasb84:
im just curious about something. 100 cfm is a whole lot. now i know this first hand it is very important to maintain a certain amount of velocity in the intake runners. bigger isnt neccesarily better. right? i mean thats why you see people with velocity stacks even when not using a manifold otherwise your fuel wont atomize and itll puddle. just like your not supposed to "polish" and smooth out your intake ports on your heads as well as even mess with em too much when porting and polishing. your just posed to port match the manifold to the head and rough up the head a little. im sure this wont hurt the svt if EH is involved but 100 cfm is a lot. i guess it wouldnt matter too much with boost but to really crank it open for people with na i think thats a little tricky.

Ok first off were talking about intake manifold. In case you didn't know its a two piece setup. We are porting out the upper portion, just like svt did from the factory, but just a litte more. The injectors are located in the lower manifold, so no fuel is in the upper manifold and can still atomized properly in the combustion chamber were its suppose to. So widening the runners in the "upper manifold" will greatly improve air flow to the lower manifold were it may reach a restriction there. In effect it may add something like 2psi to the lower manifold, more pounds means more air, means more fuel equals more powa

. The extrude hone process does leave a bit of a rough finish, so swirl will stil be present. I am just not sure were there getting the extra 100cfm over a triple honed manifold. Time will tell

Originally posted by vudusvt:
I'm interested. Have you checked into the possibility of one price for "max" extrude honing, per Swazo in the other thread? About 1-2 months from now would be perfect. I can (and will, if necessary) go in on this sooner. However, we all know how short 1-2 months is for a CEG GB.

I am interested if I can also get the "Max" extrude hone.

-Jeff-

OK, so maybe I misunderstood the 270. I suppose I could have been told 220 and misheard it as 270? 100cfm does sound like a lot more flow...
The initial testing has not been done, so his estimates could be way off. Who knows. I"ll check in with him a week or so.

Originally posted by Qwk98svt:

Originally posted by vudusvt:
I'm interested. Have you checked into the possibility of one price for "max" extrude honing, per Swazo in the other thread? About 1-2 months from now would be perfect. I can (and will, if necessary) go in on this sooner. However, we all know how short 1-2 months is for a CEG GB.

I am interested if I can also get the "Max" extrude hone.

-Jeff-

It's sounding like "max" is the goal.

Anything is the two's sound good realy thats equal to quaddrouble honing or more

i am in

Hopefully we can get this thing done in early april... all us Spring Zingers need to have more power for the dyno and drag racing portion.

Originally posted by SVT Barge:
Hopefully we can get this thing done in early april... all us Spring Zingers need to have more power for the dyno and drag racing portion.

Word

max hone for the single-pass price! sounds great!

Derk,

Here is an interest list from NECO so far. I haven't pointed this to the performance forum over there (it's been sitting in the less visited GB forum), but will generate a bit more attention to it with a cross-post, and add names to this list here in this thread as necessary.

NECO Interest: 4
1) Massiv
2) FunkBoy316
3) ov3n
4) GrandMasterKhan

I will also post your update on prices and technique on NECO.

Thanks,

Massiv.

Originally posted by Derk2000:
Update
I talked to EH today. Here's the skinny:
There is a fellow that is sending his UIM for a "new method" of honing. Something about backflow sumpinerother. The point being, this new method is supposed to bump up the flow by a significant amount. He's expecting something in the 270 cfm range, IIRC (I didn't write it down )
This new method should be setup, performed, and flow tested within a month.
IMO).

I have a Q for the gurus. If the stock SVT heads flow maybe 215 CFM, would an UIM flowing 270 CFM be too much? Would this create too large a passage and reduce flow velocity?

For heads with 3L valves and big porting, I can see it..they have been flowed at about 270 CFM IIRC.

Derk,

Here are some questions I think many are asking here and on NECO. Perhaps when you speak to these guys next time, you could grab the answers? Because of the new technique they're using, it's tough to know what we're looking at now, as one EH pass, may not be equal to one EH pass any longer, if you know what I mean.

I've put some tentative answers in brackets. Please correct as necessary!

Q1. Does it matter what manifold you start with (Stock, SH, DH, TH)?
Q2. What will the results be depending on what manifold you start with (Stock, SH, DH, TH)?
Q3. Can I do a 3L, or other manifold? (Tentative answer: No - due to tooling reasons/efficiences.
Q4. Is there a price to max it out? (Many are asking this, and we will get an answer [we all want it])
Q5. Can we get 1,2,3,n passes? (We don't know yet)
Q6. What are the flowrates with the new process? (Results coming in 1-2 weeks)

Thanks,

Massiv.

Enquiering minds want to know

Just to give an idea, DemonSVT and EH have already determined the very limits the Duratec 2.5L UIM. Only a new EH process will get you into better flow rates, but the actual maximum amount of removal is already set in stone.

With that said, if I can get my single passed UIM maxed out with the new process, nothing could keep me away from finding some way to get in on this GB!

I'm in...get this sucker organized!

I'm getting excited.

I'll get in contact with EH again next week and try to get some more questions answered.
...time to go check my PMs.

do you think it would be a good idea to collect non-refundable security deposits from people, so those who say "omg i am sooo in on this!!" at the beginning can't drop out when the GB actually starts?

of course, people would get refunds if we can't get enough people for the GB...

Originally posted by ov3n:
do you think it would be a good idea to collect non-refundable security deposits from people, so those who say "omg i am sooo in on this!!" at the beginning can't drop out when the GB actually starts?

of course, people would get refunds if we can't get enough people for the GB...

Sounds a little harsh, as I know sometimes things pop up and are *gasp* more impornant that modding a car *gasp* so I'm not too inclined to doing something like that.
Plus, I think too little is known and it's too early to start collecting money, as a final price has not been determined.

Originally posted by Massiv:

NECO Interest: 4
1) Massiv
2) FunkBoy316
3) ov3n
4) GrandMasterKhan

CEG interest:
1) Derk2000
2) Static
3) timeless420
4) onosway (nyceboi)
5) gearhead98
6) Shaggy
7) livinsvt
8) XKontour98
9) Russell-3L
10) epattonm
11) Baby SHO
12) vudusvt
13) Swazo
14) Dan Nixon
15) holycowSVTpaul?
16) Marky
17) wavrdr
18) GR8SVT
19) Ronan
20) jiako
21) cfcsvt
22) Qwk98svt
23) SVTBarge
23) gamiller

Nice list so far!

HOLY S%^*

Now THIS is a off to a great start!!

Most the CEG GB get off to a great start. Let's see if it ends that way too.

I know I hope so.

The majority of the names on that list I'd trust to follow through......but money talks when it comes down to "go time"

I almost titled the list "CEGers who have expressed interest" but it was too long.

It's a more accurate title, though. Even if we get half of the interested people going through to the end, that's pretty good IMO.

I'm in based on two things:

1. Max honing availability or new process proves out.
2. Timeframe. (If it's gonna take too long, I'll bail and
pay the premium

)

Andrew

Andrew -
1) I mentioned that "max flow" is desired by all. I don't think anyone here wants to pay ~ $300 for a "almost max" UIM.

2) I think we will have to be very organized and efficient, but their turnaround time should be decent. I'll keep everyone posted on the time frame as to when this will happen.

Just wondering - if this GB occurs after SZ and the track season, are people still going to be interested?

Oh yea I will definitly be intrested. Its just a matter of time,either do it now and have it back before S.Z., or wait until after and than do the GB. Just don't want to be left with a SE manifold for my dyno and track day.

. Thanks for getting this together.

I would rather wait til after SZ myself... as I am trying to mod the hell out of two cars, and these things are never in a timely manner.... something almost always comes up and ends up taking longer then expected.. knock on wood. I would like to wait til I have a little bit more disposable money if at all possible

I would favor a later date personally

hmmm...we'll see how it plays out. I could go for a later date, too (summertime, when I can ride my bike around during the lack-of-car-time...

) but like I said, we know too little right now to make big decisions.

From the for what it's worth column, you might get in touch with Robert Greene Racing (RGR) at http://rpm-mustangs.com/rgrcfm/index.html . He will very soon be offering what is called Poly-Hone which he says will always be cheaper than Extrude Honing. He's a Mustang guy but hey they'er fords too.

if the new process really increases flow that much, i WILL get it done instead of true duals!

For those that care about getting your same UIM back, make sure you mark it with an engraver or some other way. Don't ask me how I come to offer this sage advice.

Just gimme the word - PM me if I seem non-attentive.

Derk,

Here's an update on the NECO interest list.

Interested NECOers

1) Massiv
2) FunkBoy316
3) ov3n
4) GrandMasterKhan
5) gamiller
6) Jorgen (> SVT)
7) sonza68
8) nadthomas
9) MerCougar67
10) nandalora

Also, per the questions I posted previously, many people want to know what to expect out of this "new" process on different manifolds. People are also confused about whether this will be a price to take a stock SE/Cougar manifold to 200+ cfm, or whether this is the price for a regular EH pass. (Bringing an SE/Cougar UIM to the level of a 98 SVT UIM). I know you'll post `em when you got `em.

Thanks,

Massiv.

Looks like later will work better for me now, as I have to perform some unexpected trans work

The dual hone svt manifold flows 175 cfm - and if the accounts are true, then Demon's flows around 185-190. 10-15 cfm is not even close to being a significant air flow increase, and you will never see and HP increase from it - and for the cost......??? I really doubt this is worth the time and money. Can anyone logically argue otherwise?

Well, hard to say for sure but if the UIM is the flow restricting component of induction (ie, we know the heads, t.body, and prob MAF meter and K&N style filters are better flow..not sure about LIM butterflies)...and assuming an adequte exhaust (headers, Y, catback) then a 5% CFM increase in air would be expcted to gain, with proper fuel adjustment (say custom burned chip), gain 5% more power...about 10 HP...

the greatest gains would obviously be seen on FI layouts. . .where every CFM counts!

Originally posted by Derk2000:
Just wondering - if this GB occurs after SZ and the track season, are people still going to be interested?

Derk,
Seeing the number of orders and since there's always the possiblity of some kind of delay (turnaround time), later would be better so that guys aren't pressed for time for events such as SZ 04.

Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
gain 5% more power...about 10 HP...

For 5% to equal 10hp, that would be crank hp estimates. That would probably show up as 7-8hp at the wheels (assuming Dan's estimates are correct).

Pete - we'll see how things play out. We may not even get a choice as to BSZ or ASZ (that would be "Before Spring Zing" and "After Spring Zing").

Originally posted by Derk2000:

Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
gain 5% more power...about 10 HP...

For 5% to equal 10hp, that would be crank hp estimates. That would probably show up as 7-8hp at the wheels (assuming Dan's estimates are correct).

Pete - we'll see how things play out. We may not even get a choice as to BSZ or ASZ (that would be "Before Spring Zing" and "After Spring Zing").

expect it to be even more gains on a 3L with headwork

I sent out an email with these questions:
1) There is a fellow in Ireland wondering if he could somehow hop onto group buy pricing but have his manifold honed at the Extrude Hone facility in Ireland.
2) What is the cfm goal you're shooting for again? I didn't write it down.
3) Will pricing be different if the manifold is non-honed (normal 2.5L V6), single honed (98 SVTs), dual honed (99-00 SVTs), etc?
4) With this new technique you spoke of, is the goal "maximum flow?" Maximum flow is what is wanted by the people interested in the group buy.

and got these answers:
Derek, Hello The answer to your questions are.
1. The Ireland person will have to send his part to Irwin, Pa. sorry
2. We are going to try to reach 225 cfm. Hopefully
3. The cost will be the same for all intakes.
4. Yes the goal is maxium air flow.

I thought I asked about the 3L manifolds, but I guess I didn't. Sorry about that.

I hope this answers some preliminary questions.

How soon? I can send mine out in April/May i think.

Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
Derk,
Seeing the number of orders and since there's always the possiblity of some kind of delay (turnaround time), later would be better so that guys aren't pressed for time for events such as SZ 04.

Pete, when we get some more info from EH, maybe we (the interested) should reevaluate who's still in and when would work best for most of us (can't please 'em all).
BTW, are you in?

Originally posted by Derk2000:

Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
Derk,
Seeing the number of orders and since there's always the possiblity of some kind of delay (turnaround time), later would be better so that guys aren't pressed for time for events such as SZ 04.

Pete, when we get some more info from EH, maybe we (the interested) should reevaluate who's still in and when would work best for most of us (can't please 'em all).
BTW, are you in?

Derk,
This post is getting pretty long and there were a lot of people who said they were in at the $200 price. They might be out at the new $330 price.

Once you get more definitive info, start a new post with all details in it - pricing, timetables, etc. Post a link to the new post at the end of the old one.

Put me down for now. Depends on funds as my SVT will be undergoing some major changes in the coming weeks.

BTW, you headed out this way anytime this year?

I believe the price will be about $275, since we probably have closer to 40 now, than 20. (13+ people alone from NECO). The $330 price was the regular Group Buy price (<20 ppl).

Derek, before you tell them how many people you have, ask them if they will offer any more price breaks for >20 ppl. They may give us a better price for 30, or even 40.

Also, Derek, we need to make sure that if you start with an SE manifold, that it comes back at ~225cfm. That is still unclear! They indicated the price was the same, but what about the results, depending on which manifold you start with?

Thanks,

Massiv.

Originally posted by Massiv:
if you start with an SE manifold, that it comes back at ~225cfm. They indicated the price was the same, but what about the results, depending on which manifold you start with?

With these two questions and the answers, I assumed that yes, a SE manifold will come back as a 225cfm flowin' manifold.

Originally posted by Derk2000:

3) Will pricing be different if the manifold is non-honed (normal 2.5L V6), single honed (98 SVTs), dual honed (99-00 SVTs), etc?
4) With this new technique you spoke of, is the goal "maximum flow?" Maximum flow is what is wanted by the people interested in the group buy.

and got these answers:
4. Yes the goal is maxium air flow.

BUT, I'll make sure it's crystal clear so there's no confusion.

1) Some people are interested in getting the 3L UIM honed. It's a different UIM, but can they be included in the same group buy?
2) I want to make sure that if you start with an SE manifold, that it comes back at the estimated ~225cfm. You indicated the price will be the same, but will the results be the same no matter what manifold you start with?
3) We're building up a lot of steam...could you give us a better price break if we reach 30 or even 40 people?

And the answers

1) If the 3L intake is different then the airflow results will not be the same. Maybe we do a separate group purchase for the 3L guys or gals.
2) Yes all the 2.5 L intakes hopefully will flow 225 cfm. No matter which intake we start with.
3) If you can get enough people a better price
will be available.

Lookin' good!

This is sounding better every day, I am definitely in!!

What is the turn around time. This is very important to me!

Originally posted by Derk2000:

And the answers

1) If the 3L intake is different then the airflow results will not be the same. Maybe we do a separate group purchase for the 3L guys or gals.
2) Yes all the 2.5 L intakes hopefully will flow 225 cfm. No matter which intake we start with.
3) If you can get enough people a better price
will be available.

Top-notch, Derk. Here is an updated NECO interest list. With the right answers now in place, I expect the list to grow some still.

1) Massiv
2) FunkBoy316
3) ov3n
4) GrandMasterKhan
5) gamiller
6) Jorgen
7) sonza68
8) nadthomas
9) MerCougar67
10) nandalora
11) ILCat99
12) CbOy2000
13) Runthis
14) CougarXR02
15) CrAzYbEeRgUy

I will get in touch with you later in regards to the timeframe for this effort. Maybe setup a poll for that.

Thanks,

Massiv.

Originally posted by jiako:
What is the turn around time. This is very important to me!

Originally posted by Derk2000:

Estimated turnaround time: 2-3 weeks to get all the UIMs done.

I'd throw an intake in on this kind of buy.

Rick

I'm in. I have I believe an E0 SVT Intake.
Anyone know how to verify?

Depending on price I may want to send out my stock intake, after I get the SVT one back.

i'm in for under $300. but i have questions...
what cfm does my stock uim flow at in my duratec mystique?
can/should the lower manifold be honed to match?

Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Awhile back I got some approx CFU rates from Extrude Hone..
stock = 155 CFU

Dean, if you can find a '00 SVT LIM, that'd be ideal. Otherwise, upgrading to a SVT LIM (of other years) would match better than what you've got. Your stock LIM will work, it just wont be optimal.

Everyone else - I'm giving EH some time to breath (and hone

) so I'll get another update sometime next week.

ok cool. actually i have the svt lim from 98. along with rail and 19#'ers. now i just need throttle body and maf

Originally posted by Derk2000:

Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Awhile back I got some approx CFU rates from Extrude Hone..
stock = 155 CFU

Dean, if you can find a '00 SVT LIM, that'd be ideal. Otherwise, upgrading to a SVT LIM (of other years) would match better than what you've got.

I wasn't aware that the 2000 SVT LIM was larger than other SVT LIMs. If that's the case, since returnless Cougars have returnless SVT LIMs, do we have the larger 2000 SVT LIM?

Thanks,

Massiv.

Originally posted by Massiv:

Originally posted by Derk2000:

Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Awhile back I got some approx CFU rates from Extrude Hone..
stock = 155 CFU

Dean, if you can find a '00 SVT LIM, that'd be ideal. Otherwise, upgrading to a SVT LIM (of other years) would match better than what you've got.

I wasn't aware that the 2000 SVT LIM was larger than other SVT LIMs. If that's the case, since returnless Cougars have returnless SVT LIMs, do we have the larger 2000 SVT LIM?

Thanks,

Massiv.

late '99 and '00 have 34/35mm wide primary/secondaries. . .spmptorsports had a sale for new ones for $200 awhile back, you can get them used as well, a little more difficult to find since they're split port and LARGE, ie coveted (I'm sure oval port ones are easier to find (albeit more difficult to modify to our fuel rail, but I KNOW Demon and others have done it. . .)

Originally posted by ssmumich00:

Originally posted by Massiv:

Originally posted by Derk2000:

Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Awhile back I got some approx CFU rates from Extrude Hone..
stock = 155 CFU

Dean, if you can find a '00 SVT LIM, that'd be ideal. Otherwise, upgrading to a SVT LIM (of other years) would match better than what you've got.

I wasn't aware that the 2000 SVT LIM was larger than other SVT LIMs. If that's the case, since returnless Cougars have returnless SVT LIMs, do we have the larger 2000 SVT LIM?

Thanks,

Massiv.

late '99 and '00 have 34/35mm wide primary/secondaries. . .spmptorsports had a sale for new ones for $200 awhile back, you can get them used as well, a little more difficult to find since they're split port and LARGE, ie coveted (I'm sure oval port ones are easier to find (albeit more difficult to modify to our fuel rail, but I KNOW Demon and others have done it. . .)

Ok... Based on that, it sounds like Cougars with a returnless fuel system are running on the larger SVT manifold from late 99/2000+. I have a 98 SVT LIM sitting in my work area, and I was going to optimize the shaft and butterflies, and then swap them into my Cougar LIM. That sounds like it *would not work*. Here's a random shot... anyone know if the screws that hold the LIM butterflies to the shaft are the *same* from the 98 SVT LIM to the 2000 SVT LIM? Would be nice to buy the screws ahead of time so when I pull my LIM I don't have to then go and find replacement screws for the butterflies.

Also, how would I tell the difference between the 2000 LIM and the 1998 LIM? How to tell split port from oval port? (I'll search too).

Thanks,

Massiv.

Originally posted by Massiv:
Ok... Based on that, it sounds like Cougars with a returnless fuel system are running on the larger SVT manifold from late 99/2000+.

Someone should chime in with that info before you proceed on modding the LIMs.

Massiv-
Split-Has two holes.
Oval-One hole.

MEasure the LIM split holes, if the 2-holed one is 34 and 35mm respectively, it's an '00. If it's 32/33, it's not.

sorry guys, too lazy to read previous posts.. is this still going on? and how much?

this original posting was just an interest check.
many are interested

don't know pricing yet...you should sift through the posts and find my Q&As.

who do i contact about getting this done to my 3 liter uim??

Count me in.
Q. What I really want is to get my 98 SVT UIM port matched to the 34/35mm LIM, will this be possible? I would be willing to pay extra for the port matching prosses.

All - I emailed EH for an update. No response yet.

Kapn' - search for "DemonSVT" and read his profile. I don't recall his ports' dimentions, but he states that they are the max.

Just got an email back from EH. Nothing new.

My SVT is for sale on Ebay. I am officially out of this group buy.

Ok I took a look at DemonSVT's profile and I dident really see any thing about the ports on the UIM being "maxed out". Maybe "ports" is the wrong word? To put it very simply I want to enlarge the holes in the 98 SVT UIM to match the bigger 34/35mm holes in the 99-00 SVT LIM. So my question is will the EH prosess remove that much materal, and if not can EH do it as a secondary process. I have the LIM and could disassemble it and send it with the UIM so they could be matched together.

When we get some finalizing details from EH, I'll ask what size the ports are. If they're not up to your specs, I'll see what can be done.

Great. So we are just waiting for a timeframe from EH now?

Yup, waiting for EH. Once I get solid info from EH, I'll make a new post for the actual groupbuy. All specs, info, timeframe, cost, etc etc.
I'll email EH next week for an update.

I definitely am in! I'd be stupid not to.

i'll be in too, hopefully this will be happening soon cuz i wanna chrome it afterwards and have it on my car for most of the show season this year if possible

I'll ask for another update this week. It's looking like this will take place post SZ. I don't want to be the grinch who stole Spring Zing.

Originally posted by Derk2000:
I'll ask for another update this week. It's looking like this will take place post SZ. I don't want to be the grinch who stole Spring Zing.

Agreed. That is the timing that works out for the NECO folks as well. Keep in mind that CougarFest (wanna come?) is in July, so let's try and make sure this doesn't slide that far out!

Massiv.

(wringing hands in anticipation...)

Where's cougarfest? It's late July, so I might be around, but I might be moving, too.
I'm awaiting a reply to my email.

Here are the Cougarfest Details:

CougarFest 2004: Indianapolis, Indiana.
Dates: Thursday July 22nd - Sunday July 25th 2004

Offical announcement thread: http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=18&threadid=86256

Massiv.

Originally posted by Derk2000:
I'll ask for another update this week. It's looking like this will take place post SZ. I don't want to be the grinch who stole Spring Zing.

So what's the update. Is this GB going to happen??

Im still in. Whenever.

Hmm, looks tempting. Massiv reckoned in the original thread
you could get a standard UIM for $50, that would be cheaper than sending mine across in the first place, anybody any idea how heavy they are and the cost to send back to UK
after the works done?

This is for a standard SE (Mondeo ST24) would I need a new LIM to match the bought one?

might be better lookng for a scrapped ST200 (SVT?)

No updates to speak of. I sent out an email today asking for an update.

Originally posted by marv:

might be better lookng for a scrapped ST200 (SVT?)

Your old one will work, but the larger one will work better.

Well, I've sent out a few emails now, and have received no response.

This doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth.

That bites..... have you tried calling them?

Ya it would be cool if EH could just give a yes or no to if they are going to be able to do it this summer or not.
Other wise I will get my UIM worked on localy.

this GB is looking kinda dead

Originally posted by Swazo:
That bites..... have you tried calling them?

Originally posted by KaptonContour:
this GB is looking kinda dead

You can't kill what was never really alive...

I'll try calling Rick this week.

call them please..
and contact them more often than you have been...
every update you've been like "i'll contact them again next week" hehe

Originally posted by ov3n:
every update you've been like "i'll contact them again next week" hehe

...and I do. I've emailed them each and every time I said I would. Now getting responses has been a little difficult...

Have you been calling the PA office or the SoCal office? I you like, I could try contacting the SoCal office to see if we can't revive this thing. PM me with whatever info you gave your original contact and I'll give it a try.

The test UIM is supposed to be on the flowbench today. I was told to expect an email w/ flow data and pricing by the end of this week.

thought this was dead GREAT!

Sweet.
sorry for my negativty.

Originally posted by Derk2000:
The test UIM is supposed to be on the flowbench today. I was told to expect an email w/ flow data and pricing by the end of this week.

Excellent! I put the update out on NECO... I know people are chomping at the bit to get this done. (I know *I* am! I need that flow, man!!)

Massiv.

That's some good news. I guess all the by-the-book hard-a$$es ended up in the SoCal office because they will neither confirm or deny testing of a new EH procedure. And I've yet to get a reply from the guy who would be involved with group buys. I'll keep trying, though.

Looking forward to the flow numbers....

You da' man! I've got a DH UIM waiting for the news.

Andrew

Well, I didn't get an email "by the end of the week." I don't want to be pushy or annoying, but if I don't get an email by Tuesday, I'm calling again.

Is it not common curtesy to at least write something? Something like "Flow bench was delayed" or "No new info yet." Just not getting emails is annoying.

Yup, I'm getting stone-walled on this end, too. Sent 2 emails, called and left my contact info. Nothing yet. The next step for me will be to call and make an appointment. Good thing they're only 5 miles away.

Originally posted by vudusvt:
Good thing they're only 5 miles away.

Lucky bastige...

I appreciate your help on this, and everyone else who has helped so far, too!

I do expect some info to come soon. Because this post has become extra long and diluted, I'll make a new post with all the flow data, the details, the cost, the time frame, the procedures, etc etc etc etc. Hopefully sooner than later.

Sent out a desparate email today and this is the response:

"Derek, Hello Late last week we had some strong stroms blow thru and we were with out power for 2 days. I am returning *** intake today. I am ready to go forward with the group buy. The cost will be $ 285.00 I do not have air flow yet on *** intake."

Originally posted by Derk2000:
Sent out a desparate email today and this is the response:

"Derek, Hello Late last week we had some strong stroms blow thru and we were with out power for 2 days. I am returning *** intake today. I am ready to go forward with the group buy. The cost will be $ 285.00 I do not have air flow yet on *** intake."

. Can this be opened to other types of intakes, say yes and you will be my hero

2.5L upper intake manifolds only