wideband O2 meter interest...

Any use for this on a zetec? Do all those tuner things work on a zetec the same as a svt. I don't think anyone has anything more than custom burnt chips on their zetecs. Just planning for the future.

Looks pretty intresting. Whats the general concensus on bosh sensors. I see it says you can swith.

Bosch is what you'll use on a contour.

To VW or Honda sensors.....

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Any use for this on a zetec?
Do all those tuner things work on a zetec the same as a svt.

Originally posted by DemonSVT:
It would work on any internal combustion gas engine. Yes even your lawn mower... (though you may get looked at funny welding an O2 bung on it's muffler )

Originally posted by DemonSVT:
It's a complete system for accurately monitoring {and datalogging} A/F ratio.

How does self tuning you air fuel ratio accurately on any car without the need for a dyno sound?

Yes some way to alter the A/F ratio is needed as well.

I'm totally in!!

I need this bad, at as big a discount as can possibly be arranged.

Tom

It will work on any car... you just have a weld an O2 bung into your exhaust. The only problem with the V6 tours is that you really don't want it after Cats. So those with pre-cats would need to remove them to get an accurate reading. Though I imagine most of the people that want to get in on this are the ones that have ripped most of the stock stuff out.. or modded it.

With headers or gutted precats you can just use a secondary O2 bung and leave the O2 hanging (well strapped up to a heatshield anyway)

im interested depending on price

I may be interested. What would be a ballpark type price, and how many people would you need to get this off the ground?

ok - so i got some details, but still need to bottom out on the deal...

for 5 units we can get $25 off (so $325 each)
for 10+ units, we get $35 off ($315 each)

you guys still interested? if so, post here

Well I am def in on this. I actually wanted it ASAP but i can wait if it will save me some $. I will check with my guy and see if maybe he can get me a better deal for the group buy.

Hey Warmonger,

How do you think we can hook this up to the emanage so we can data log it with all the other stuff?

The E-01 has the capability to interface the O2 sensor that greddy provides. It may be able to substitute this.

However, you wouldn't need to. This thing will datalog for you and you can do it as a function of rpm and other inputs. You can datalog with both the O2 meter and the eManage at the same time then correlate them with rpm as the common factor. both will be loaded into the laptop, then you can make a spreadsheet and give yourself air fuel.
nice.

So $315 if we get 10? I like it, but does that include shipping?

war....

Gimme, gimme, gimme...

so far (10-5-03):

DemonSVT
warmonger
Russell
obicanobi0

we need more!!!

i need you guys to send me your email address in a PM...
Thx
Todd

bump!

Interested...but awaiting employment... so close..

I want to get one, but I should have my 3L swap a bit further before I do.....

I might have to pay full price in a couple of months

Come on man...

someone has to jump on this. I really want/need this soon. I want to go to the track this year before it closes. Also want to do it tuned with my new suspension installed.

I'm in for one. If they have the RPM converter available by the time this goes, I'll get one of those too.

Henry

bump... hope to get this finalized this week - please PM me your interest

Well I found out today that I will be employed as of next week so I think I should be able to get in on this depending on payment time frame.

well the basic premise is that I collect all the emails from members wanting to do a group purchase, once we hit that magic number then you all get an email notifying you of the pricepoint and a coupon code to get that price... you pay via your own credit card and shipping to your destination.

so folks, if you're interested - PM me your email addy.

I'm going to set Thursday (10/16/03) as my 'stop' date

Thanks!

Count me in - it'll be nice to finally tune the bubba duals without a day on the dyno.

Dan

Woohoo getting closer to 10...

ok - so far i have 9, I need your emails!!! PM ME!

Blorton
LBVSVT
SpecialEdGT
RSNovi
obicanobi0 (still in?)
Russell - need your email
DemonSVT - need your email
warmonger - need your email

Quote:

Swazo - removed

SVT Barge - need your email

THANKS!
Todd

Originally posted by Swazo:
I want to get one, but I should have my 3L swap a bit further before I do..... I might have to pay full price in a couple of months

Sorry, I'm going to hold off a bit before I get one.

would it be a bad thing to leave the sensor itself in at all times?

ok, my wife will kill me but what use is one meter on a dual-exhaust car?

Toadster, if you get to your deadline and only have 9, I'll get one more (total of 2 for me) to put us into the lower price range.

Henry

Originally posted by Russell:
would it be a bad thing to leave the sensor itself in at all times?

Not as long as you keep the control unit on when the sensor is in. The "heat pump" keeps the unit from getting gunked up. Gunk is a technical term.

Im in. Pm with email sent, Todd.

Thanks for the work.

Tony

I was reading the user manual online and it addresses leaving the unit on the car all the time and how to intall it.. all that jazz.

You READ the manual? Wow! Don't you know that will posion your mind?

The thing that PISSES me off is that they change the release date on this:

Quote:

In addition it has a Mini-DIN7 socket for the Aux Cable #1 for those inputs not used or switched of in the AuxBox. This cable is slated to be available by January 15th, and is targeted to sell for apprx. $199 (subject to final product release).

To Jan 15 of 2004. It WAS 10/15.

That is slimy. I hate that. At least they could have added a news section or made note of the delay.

Anyone have an idea what the upper rpm limit will be on this thing's inductive pickup?

No, I'm not planning on building *that* wild of a 3.0, but it sure would be nice to be able to also use this on the bike(12k redline).

Dan

Yup I'm still in

up to 10!

Originally posted by Toadster:

Blorton
LBVSVT
SpecialEdGT
RSNovi
obicanobi0
Russell
DemonSVT - need your email
warmonger - need your email
SVT Barge
Badog

Please send me your emails guys

Great, lets get this ordered up

Seems like I read somewhere that the rev limit was somewhere around 12K but don't quote me on that... and if you haven't read the manual.. do so

10,230

yah, my buddy used it on his dirtbike, granted it's not a 12K rice-rocket - but it worked really well for him!

we have 10!

Blorton
LBVSVT
SpecialEdGT
RSNovi
obicanobi0
Russell
DemonSVT
warmonger
SVT Barge
Badog

Hoping to get you guys info TODAY!

T

Alright, I got the info! I just called and left a message.

Thanks for doing this, Todd. I take it we won't have to wait as long for product as people did on the brullen y-pipe deal, eh? (runs)

Dan

Hmm, I didn't get my info?

can i pay saturday?

Originally posted by Blorton:
Alright, I got the info! I just called and left a message.

Same here as of yesterday and again today.

Still waiting for a call back...

Originally posted by Russell:
can i pay saturday?

you setup your CC payment with Innovate and when the GB group is finalized he does the purchase...

Hi guys, I just happen to visit your forum today after dealing with Mr. Warmonger in the past on the e-manage (Hi Warmonger :-), long time no talk), Anyway I noticed the talk about the LM-1 Digital Air/Fuel Ratio Meter group buy, I have seen it in use and used it on my own car, I don't own one yet tell they fix a connector issue, the unit works great, uses a great sensor and excellent wiring (VW/Audi harness, Bosch sensor, etc)....it works good on the dyno if the unit is held in place flat (no movement), in the car the unit will be all over your hands or the floor/seat moving, problem is the cable that connects the sensor harness to the main unit does not hold securely in, any movement in that cable throws an error code on the screen, specially when held vertically (cable connects from the bottom of the unit), I think they should have used a connector that holds in place with some screw, like the pc serial port connation, or a round nut, or any lock that holds in securely....This is just an advice for anyone getting the LM-1 and face the same problem, some might tell you that they don't have that problem, but after repeated use of the unit it will happen.

I got many clear pictures on the unit in and out, even the Manuel pages pics, let me know if you want to see them...

Mohd A.

Pictures at,

LM-1 PHOTOS

if anyone is having issues with not getting their info, please let me know

Originally posted by Toadster:
if anyone is having issues with not getting their info, please let me know

How about if anyone has issues with not understanding the correct procedure to follow?

You told us to call that one person, but he hasn't seemed to return anyone's calls. Then you seemed to convey that it's just a matter of getting our information to the sales people and then he will do the group buy. I'm a little reluctant to do that because I don't want an oopsie to happen and get charged full price.

So for the slow people amongst us (raises hand), what exactly are we supposed to do to complete the transaction.

Thanks!
Dan -looking for a deal on the eManage.

Originally posted by Blorton:

So for the slow people amongst us (raises hand), what exactly are we supposed to do to complete the transaction.

Thanks!
Dan -looking for a deal on the eManage.

his exact words...

Quote:

I need a list of names and email addresses of the buyers. Send a email asking everyone to contact me to give payment information. As soon as I have received everyone's info I will let you know what discount you qualified for. I will then begin shipping.

Originally posted by obicanobi0:
Hmm, I didn't get my info?

sent you a PM with the info, i think I fat-fingered your email name with an "o" instead of "0"

I've called 3 different days and only get voice mail. I never get a call back.

I also agree with Bubba (err... Dan) about that email message being very vague on the final price. It's like they will charge more without warning if one person doesn't get them their information in time???

We're trying it's just no one is ever there or calls back!

Just called again.

This is well beyond old now.

Todd - Since this is a friend of yours how about you find out when he actually is at work and give us a time frame to call him. Otherwise this GB will probably never happen...

Thanks...

What he said - or if he wants to work it so we can just call the regular sales number and give a secret password or something, that'd be fine with me.

Me, I'm worried that since we have/had exactly 10, that some will back out due to the hassle. If that happens, I'm not sure how well this thing will go over with the only slightly reduced price that brings.

Thanks for prompting me to change my nick, Demon.

Dan

HEY FOLKS!!!

He is in the office RIGHT NOW.

He actually called me back and was very friendly and professional.

So...

CALL HIM NOW!!!

That way I can get my wideband sooner...

i called and paid

Originally posted by Russell:
i called and paid

ditto all signed up ready to go.

Can we get a tally of who has oredered

I just ordered mine!

Dan

Originally posted by obicanobi0:
Can we get a tally of who has oredered

Well it's me, you, me, him, me, the other guy, me, you, and I.

That leaves only one left right???

i cant believe that so few of us want this. this is a must for anyone with serious engine mods

Originally posted by Russell:
i cant believe that so few of us want this. this is a must for anyone with serious engine mods

So few of us have serious mods, and there's a lot that do but are selling their cars (or trying to). I can think of two just from the southeast.

what kills me is that i hit up the local 'stang group here in Sacramento (http://www.sacstangs.com) and those guys have some SERIOUS mods - nobody signed up for the group purchase... I thought they (of all people) would have jumped on this deal... most digital lambda type meters are $2k!

I'll check with Cort to see what the tally is...

Originally posted by Toadster:

I'll check with Cort to see what the tally is...

When I spoke with him, he said he was just waiting for a couple more to call before shipping them out. Maybe he'll be nice and ship ours out when 6 or 7 of us have called in. I still think at least one person on the list is gonna back out.

And I can relate to not being able to understand how some people pass something like this up.

For example, I forwarded the info on this to a friend of mine that also rides a crotch rocket, and he wasn't interested. This is someone that is a programmer and made his own connector cable to interface his palm pda to the fuel injection modifier on his bike - and is constantly tweaking maps to boot. Unbelievable!

Dan - still looking for an e-Manage

just talked to Cort, so far he's only heard from 4 of you...

if you call and get his voicemail, just hit "0" which will take you to their operator - she can direct you to another person - just tell them that you're part of the "Contour Group Buy" and they'll get it tallied up... he would like to get this finalized this week - so call now!

Thanks!
Todd

Originally posted by Toadster:
just talked to Cort, so far he's only heard from 4 of you...

Alrighty! What's up with the rest of you? Have you changed your mind? Promised money you didn't have? What's the deal? Get on the phone and get to it!

I *knew* this one was gonna have problems. Dang ole buncha slackers.

Dan

It's at least 5.

I know Tom ordered his as of yesterday afternoon...

To all the rest of you...

c'mon guys! I've done my part - just follow through! I'd hate to see this fail, the LM-1 has SO much potential to help you guys tuning your cars!!!

heck, I'm not even benefitting from this! I can't even modify the A/F ratio on my '6' yet! - I just wanted to get you guys a good deal!!!

Todd,

You've got everyone's email. Howsabout dropping a condensed version of the ordering information to those addresses that haven't ordered, along with a reminder that it needs to be finished up this week? That should move things along, especially if one or more of the buyers only signed up on this forum to get in on this group buy.

Oh, and you aren't the only one unable to modify your a/f curve yet. I'm snagging this now and looking for a deal on an e-Manage later.

Thanks,
Dan

Placed my order yesterday with Cort ... looks like I'll be busy with my mafterburner soon.

Originally posted by BubbaTechRacing:
Todd,
Howsabout dropping a condensed version of the ordering information to those addresses that haven't ordered, along with a reminder that it needs to be finished up this week? Thanks,
Dan

good point...!

please contact Cort ASAP, He will need your Full Name, Address & Credit Card info.

Cort Charles
Director of Sales
Innovate! Motorsports
27132A Paseo Espada, Suite #401
San Juan Capistrano, CA 92675
(949) 388-4442 ext.122
(949) 388-3779 Fax
www.tuneyourengine.com
cort@innovatemotorsports.com

if you don't get a hold of Cort (or get his voicemail) - press "0" to get the operator to direct you to someone else in sales - tell them you're part of the "Contour Group Buy"

send me a PM after you've signed up (including those of you who have already signed up)

Thanks!

Err, I meant email that information to the people that haven't bought yet. Or were you just posting it for redundancy?

Thanks for doing this gb!

Dan

unfortunately, I don't have the list of who 'has' and who 'hasn't' - Cort owns the contact list at this point...

yes i reposted the info in case there are some 'new' folks that want to jump in on this... as long as you mention "Contour Group Buy" you'll be added to the GB.

From who has posted it's:

Paid
Dan
Tom
Russell
obicanobi0
Greg

UNPAID - ???
LBVSVT
SpecialEdGT
RSNovi
SVT Barge
Badog

since we got the 5, are they gonna ship soon

3L *should* be in within a week and i really wanna tune it and run it at the track before it gets too cold

I'm paid up as on last page and should receive mine Tues. the 28th.

Paid
Greg
Dan
Tom
Russell
obicanobi0
LBVSVT

UNPAID - ???
SpecialEdGT
RSNovi
SVT Barge
Badog

Originally posted by LBVSVT:
I'm paid up as on last page and should receive mine Tues. the 28th.

They told you yours would be shipping out right away?

(scratches head)

Dan

I'm picking mine up at my expense ... by air.

Originally posted by LBVSVT:
I'm picking mine up at my expense ... by air.

That doesn't clear up the confusion very much.

Are you saying you paid for faster shipping and they said it's going out right away, or did you go ahead and pay full price(and bail on the GB)?

Dan

we have at least 5, we should just get that at that price. I wanna play with my new toy

hmmm....now I know of a local wideband o2.....hopefully headway will be made with regards to a twEECer for my computer code in the new year!

I just wish I had the money to get one before I had my headers recoated so I could have got one and welded in a bung for it

http://lagunamiata.home.att.net/lm-1.htm
Some info and review.

Some more awesome information I found. here

This unit just looks amazing

So what's the latest? Is this still on? We gonna declare an end date on this to weed out the people that have obviously lost interest?

Just wondering....

Dan

Evan - you've had your headers out a time or 2. Any idea if an O2 bung hole could be drilled without removing the exhaust manifolds??

Well heres the sitauation. The ideal setup is close to the head (not sure what the consensus is on what cylinder) and before any catalysit. In my case is is possible to take care of the second requirement since I have no precats, but for you that's a different case. For the first requirement, things get more complicated. The front bank is the only one that you "MAY" be able to drill into without removeing the manifild from the car, but you still have pre-cats so I don't think metal shavings falling in tere would be too good. Since I have headers I could just drop the y-pipe and let them fall out, but then you stil have the problem of welding in the bung in such a confined space.

You can still run this after the cats, but If I were going to do it all over again that's the way I would do it, but that won't happen since I think I'm done tweeking the car and it's time to save for a new toy (thinking S4 with AWE turbo upgrade and KW stage 3 coilovers).

FYI - this group buy is being closed today...

FYI - only 5 people had paid.

when are they gonna ship?

Originally posted by Toadster:
FYI - only 5 people had paid.

So the 5 of us get to pay $10 more than if the slackers hadn't flaked out. I can deal with that. At least we get $25 off this way.

Thanks again for doing this, Todd!

Dan

units will be shipped out tomorrow - it will be great to see what tweaks you guys can eek out now!

That should be EEC out Todd...

Originally posted by DemonSVT:
That should be EEC out Todd...

it's eek - as in 'squeek!'

Well - these guys just flat rock.

The charge just hit my card, and it's for the 10+ price.

Mad props to them for that.

Dan

Originally posted by BubbaTechRacing:
Well - these guys just flat rock.

The charge just hit my card, and it's for the 10+ price.

Mad props to them for that.

Not only $315 but including shipping too.

That's Groovy Man!!!

woohoo! glad you guys are happy!

I card hasn't been charged yet

Have they been siped or doesn't anyone know?

I just called and was told mine shipped on Friday. They say 3-5 days shipping time.

The charge I thought I saw hit promptly disappeared. I'm thinking it was just an authorization and the real charge will appear in a day or two.

And for anyone that missed out on this - wanna buy mine?
Looks like I may not be needing it after all.

Dan

Originally posted by BubbaTechRacing:
I just called and was told mine shipped on Friday. They say 3-5 days shipping time.

The charge I thought I saw hit promptly disappeared. I'm thinking it was just an authorization and the real charge will appear in a day or two.

And for anyone that missed out on this - wanna buy mine?
Looks like I may not be needing it after all.

Dan

Thx for the info, why won't you be needing it?

Originally posted by obicanobi0:
Thx for the info, why won't you be needing it?

Cause I wrecked my car and am scrounging funds towards a replacement.

There's a thread about it under Duratec Performance.

Edit: Just checked and the real cc charge hit last night. $324 for me. Kinda strange that Demon was charged $9 less. (shrug)

Dan

Originally posted by Blorton:
Edit: Just checked and the real cc charge hit last night. $324 for me. Kinda strange that Demon was charged $9 less. (shrug)

Dan

I was just responding to your news. I have not seen the charge yet.

However $324 sounds right for the $315 price plus shipping so it looks like they did give us the best price.

Well, mine came today. Nice looking unit.

Thanks again for doing this, Todd!

Dan

Originally posted by Blorton:
Well, mine came today. Nice looking unit.

Thanks again for doing this, Todd!

Dan

Oh I see how it is.

I pay first and then Dan gets his before me...

Originally posted by DemonSVT:

Originally posted by Blorton:
Well, mine came today. Nice looking unit.

Thanks again for doing this, Todd!

Dan

Oh I see how it is.

I pay first and then Dan gets his before me...

i payed right after demon and didnt get mine yet!

Yea I didn't get mine yet, and I still don't see a charge on my card

Well I have mine so nyah nyah...

Still don't have a credit receipt though???

Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Well I have mine so nyah nyah...

Still don't have a credit receipt though???

If it doesn't come today ill have to give him a jingle, but I assume if there as a problem that I would have gotton a call.

i got mine yesterday, talk about great timing, the same day i get the 3L running! now its time to tune that beast

Well, I got mine tonight!

Lucky I was home to receive it. It seems like it is going to kick ass with all those auxilliary inputs and the datalogging software. Seems I can completely tune a car from the inputs on this bad boy.

Anyone figure out where to put this yet? I was under the car and I'm thinking in the y-pipe is about the only accessable place to put it. I know it's after the pre-cats, but hey if dyno's are using sniffers in the tailpipes this can't be all bad.

Also, outside of tripping a CEL what's wrong with just unscrewing an O2 sensor and screwing this unit in to get the A/F ratio?