anyone want headers, ive contacted MSDS, heres part of teh email
"Bring us (10) confirmed buyers within 30 days and we will establish a group buy. "
so we gotta act fast, whos interested, pricing to follow shortly
im in 100%
1. Russell
I am in. I'm pissed I missed the Brullen cat back G/B. I'm in the Y-pipe one though and was going to get the headers anyway..
Anyone know if there are any fitment issues with the MSDS headers and other brand Y pipes?
I would be but don't have the money right now, sorry
I need some sort of price before i say anything.
Originally posted by papadage:
I am in. I'm pissed I missed the Brullen cat back G/B. I'm in the Y-pipe one though and was going to get the headers anyway..
Anyone know if there are any fitment issues with the MSDS headers and other brand Y pipes?
MSDS comes with it's own y-pipe.
IIRC, dyno proven that MSDS headers in conjunction with the y-pipe it comes with provided more horsepower than the SHO y. Plus you void the warranty if you use any other y-pipe with the headers. HTH
I'm in, as long as it takes place late summer ot after summer, because as far as my budget, it's all booked this summer.
Originally posted by SVTCuervo:
I need some sort of price before i say anything.
Same here, I'm very interested, but I need at least a price range first.
Interested. Need to know price though.
im in as well....get a price on the s/c set as well.
prices are in !!!
$595.00 per set of HO810 /comes in our standard Z-95 ceramic coating
+$40.00 for HO811 ( vortec spec fr. header)
+$40.00 for Sterling Silver metallic-ceramic Xtreme coating ( great for harsh salt-snow climates)
+$28.00 Ground FedEx/ins in the cont. U.S.A.
+tax appl. only in CA.
damn are these things getting more expensive each g/b???
i hope they got that coating issue worked out...i saw a post a few days ago which may suggest they haven't
When is the group buy officially open, and to whome do we order and send payment?
payments will be sent to MSDS, not me. its not open yet, im trying to gain interest
Id be interested in the headers but, I would also like to make sure that these are the ones that have the coating problem fixed.
I'd like to, but it wouldn't fit.
I'm in depending on the coating. I don't want to get ignored like a fellow CEG'er did(can't remember who at this time
) when or if it fails. I live in Salt Lake City......keyword,
SALT 
Is this for Duratec or Zetec?
what kind of power gains do they make?
There is a dyno plot on the page:
MSDS
Their dyno plot has been a topic of much discussion around here. I would not expect their "claimed" gains at all.
I gained 11hp ~9tq w/ the headers and their y-pipe over stock manifolds and sho-y-pipe (w/ cat).
If I could ever find my dyno plots on my system, I would post them...(i'm at work right now). I don't have a "true" baseline...so I don't know what its like stock vs. headers w/ y-pipe...
As far as being more expensive.
not really.
if you consider he's giving you the option for "Jet-Hot" like coating for $40....that is SUPER cheap.
I paid $220 to get my headers/y-pipe coated. That right there is a high savings.
Take into consideration that SHO-Shop is selling just the headers (no y-pipe) for (iirc) $545....You are getting the y-pipe for $50!! Remember, these headers from MSDS go for $660 on their site....
Even if they do go up a little more, its still a good deal.
Also, I paid w/ a CC for security reasons, and that cost me some more $$$....This is a good deal - Same price as before (maybe a tad higher)
Someone posted just recently the "NEW" coatings DO NOT WORK! How much uncoated?
eric
there have been multiple coatings...
the original coating plain and simple sucked....it was a ceramic coating that was worth about 3 cents.
the next coating was crap as well. Although Marty said the coating was thicker and better, it was not holding up either. A lot of people had issues with their coatings. I had this particular coating (which was the "NEW" one at the time). I had them Jet coated....
The "NEW" coating is an OPTION.....You must pay for their NEW OPTIONAL coatings. It is the same as Jet-Hot according to Marty and others who have seen it. This is what he is charging an extra $40 for. If you do not want it, you don't need to have it.
I hope that helps in explaining.....
If it's like a "jet hot" coating count me in for sure!
Can you get the 'bigger' inlet MSDS headers?
ok, whoever is in please add your name to the list:
1. Russell
Quote:
Like Jet Hot
4. Chris Hinds (friction)
Hey Speed Demon....Nice web page....Smokening ride man very nice
Originally posted by Speed Demons:
Quote:
Like Jet Hot
I don't get it.....
Originally posted by GR8SVT:
Originally posted by Speed Demons:
Quote:
Like Jet Hot
I don't get it.....
Rolling on the ground laughing.
Originally posted by musicnut:
Originally posted by GR8SVT:
Originally posted by Speed Demons:
Quote:
Like Jet Hot
I don't get it.....
Rolling on the ground laughing.
LOL. I know what that image is....I just didn't know why that comment 'Like Jet Hot' was ROTFL.
Sorry it's just funny that everything is compared to the quality of Jet Hot. But many of us find ways of going through others and later complaing about the quality of work. (Just comparing to the last job MSDS did)
I bet they fixed it though... so Good luck, wish I had a set of headers.
Wow, just 4 people so far?
Someone here in fact used the "like Jet Hot" coating, the very latest one and it still didn't work, the one with the silver +$40 dollar one.
How much totally uncoated (once more).
Eric
fletch - I'm not sure you can get them totally uncoated.
I would contact Marty to confirm your question - this might be a good option for those of us that would want to just send it in to jet-hot. Hopefully its cheaper.
If you were going to jet-hot them, then the price they quote you includes stripping/cleaning off the headers.
I had mine jet-hot coated...I bought them off of the last group buy and just sent them to jet-hot to have them recoated .... the good way.
also - i wasn't aware that someone already went through the coating of the new "jet-like" coating that MSDS is offering.
I thought this coating was just released a few weeks ago as an option from MSDS?
Originally posted by GR8SVT:
also - i wasn't aware that someone already went through the coating of the new "jet-like" coating that MSDS is offering.
I thought this coating was just released a few weeks ago as an option from MSDS?
I know there are 1 or 2 people from NECO that got the new coating when it first came out.
I haven't heard any problems yet. Couldn't hurt to search just to be sure.
Send or post a pic of it.
I have some contacts with Jet Hot, Ill get you a quote.
Originally posted by frenchblueC2:
Originally posted by GR8SVT:
also - i wasn't aware that someone already went through the coating of the new "jet-like" coating that MSDS is offering.
I thought this coating was just released a few weeks ago as an option from MSDS?
I know there are 1 or 2 people from NECO that got the new coating when it first came out.
I haven't heard any problems yet. Couldn't hurt to search just to be sure.
ok. Did the search...Here is the only one I can find right now.
New MSDS Coating
edit - found another one.
New MSDS Coating II
This should answer any questions...if not, just call Marty and post the results.
Fletch - if you could, please post a link to the post where this newest optional coating has failed already. I couldn't find it.......and I'm tired of searching. lol.
here is the link I was referring to, if there is a 3rd generation coating I may of missed then I might be game.. the first or second isn't working apparently.
lemme know.
http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=perf&Number=284439&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
Well the new coating came out in about march of this year, and the post you are talking about came out at the end of last year....I think. Anyone want to correct me on this?
I'm in too, but, also need to know price first???????
Originally posted by Russell:
prices are in !!!
$595.00 per set of HO810 /comes in our standard Z-95 ceramic coating
+$40.00 for HO811 ( vortec spec fr. header)
+$40.00 for Sterling Silver metallic-ceramic Xtreme coating ( great for harsh salt-snow climates)
+$28.00 Ground FedEx/ins in the cont. U.S.A.
+tax appl. only in CA.
Hopefully the "new" coating holds up better than the past ones.
When does payment need to be in by?
Thanks,
Eric
I'll Jet-Hot those Biaaatches anyways!
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports:
here is the link I was referring to, if there is a 3rd generation coating I may of missed then I might be game.. the first or second isn't working apparently.
lemme know.
http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=perf&Number=284439&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
Ok...I see where the confusion is.
the MSDS Headers had an original ceramic coating that was very thin. Most had issues with rust. This was the first generation coating.
Then, last year, Marty came out with a new coating - we'll call it the second generation. This is what came on my headers. Supposedly they were supposed to withstand a lot more salt and be more rust resistant. But as you can see by your link, and others complaints, it was not the case for some of us. Some have had no problems, however, some have had terrible luck.
Now...A few weeks back (IIRC, end of March, early April) Marty began offering an optional "third" generation coating from I believe, a third party vendor. This "Third" generation optional coating is being compared to likes of Jet-Hott. This is the one I was talking about....You were talking about the "second generation" coating.....I think we're straight now.
Personally - I just went with Jet-Hott. They offer a great gaurantee on their work.....especially on NEW headers.
It cost me around $220 to get mine coated through Jet-Hott.
Regards.
I'm from NECO. Count me in this group buy. Thanks
Ronan from fordmondeo.org, am in Ireland here. I would also be interested in this group buy. Count me in!
cmon guys, we leed to hurry up on this
Originally posted by Ronan:
Ronan from fordmondeo.org, am in Ireland here. I would also be interested in this group buy. Count me in!
IRELAND! now that kicks ass!
cmon people lets get this going or im just gonna buy a set for full price, im waiting on headers to do my tranny swap
How many more people are needed to complete the GB Russell? I have the money in-hand waiting for this to happen. Is it?
Adding me that makes 7 people:
1. Russell
2. Drew
3. Swazo
4. Friction (Chris Hinds)
5. Axio from NECO
6. Ronan
7. AndrewR
Please add me.
1 set of HO810 +Sterling Silver metallic-ceramic Xtreme coating. How long till this deal goes through?
1. Russell
2. Drew
3. Swazo
4. Friction (Chris Hinds)
5. Axio from NECO
6. Ronan
7. AndrewR
8. motownSVT
....almost there....
I'm going to have to take advantage of this deal too. Count me in #9.
Count me in. Money in hand and I also dropped out of the Brullen Y-pipe G/B to take part in this.
1. Russell
2. Drew
3. Swazo
4. Friction (Chris Hinds)
5. Axio from NECO
6. Ronan
7. AndrewR
8. motownSVT
9. nggalant
10. papadage
Sweet....now what?
Looks like this is going to happen! I wonder what the shipping to Ireland will be? Would you guys recommend that nickel plated coating? I am not sure to order that as well or not. As these things easy to fit?
I'm getting the coating for looks/reliability.
It's a pain to remove the rear exhaust manifold, but the front one is pretty easy. With an extra set of hands/eyes, it makes things much easier.
Depending on where the headers are shipped from, it might not be that bad. To get an idea use a midwest zip code and use Fed Ex or UPS international shipping calculators they have on their sites to get an idea. Does anyone have a guesstimate on the weight for the headers and y-pipe??
Originally posted by Swazo:
1. Russell
2. Drew
3. Swazo
4. Friction (Chris Hinds)
5. Axio from NECO
6. Ronan
7. AndrewR
8. motownSVT
9. nggalant
10. papadage
Sweet....now what?
I *think* we all need to forward our payments to MSDS... right?
im gonna contact MSDS now, ill get back to you guys ASAP
Any chance thi GB will be open a week or so? May be interested...
Ill get in on this. I could use some more power.
Count me in for a set of headers with Sterling silver extreme coating!!
Do these come with the MIL eliminators also? Thanks.
I'm also very interested in this. Is this something that needs to happen ASAP or is there still some time left??
I will probably need another week to provide money
ok just got a respone from MSDS. ill have the order form within the next few days. payment deadline is june 30, and shipping will be in the last week of july, as stated from the email.
Originally posted by Russell:
ok just got a respone from MSDS. ill have the order form within the next few days. payment deadline is june 30, and shipping will be in the last week of july, as stated from the email.
JUNE 30! COUNT ME IN!!!!! 
Dauuammm!
eric
I'm still in too
bueller...bueller.. j/k
can't wait to get these!
So can we send in our payments yet, or what's crackin?
By the way, here is a pick of DanG's recoated MSDS headers with the new coating
still waiting on the order from from MSDS
Originally posted by Swazo:
So can we send in our payments yet, or what's crackin?
By the way, here is a pick of DanG's recoated MSDS headers with the new coating
ok guys, here we go, heres the order forms (jsut got them in the mail and scanned them with my crappy scanner. if you want i can fax them to you on monday, pm me with a fax number if thats what you wish. also, please reply saying you've paid after your payment has been sent. thanks.
Page 1
Page 2
Worked. I will be sending in my payment on Monday. Thanks for all of your work on the group buy.
W3RD! Good job Russell! I'm sending payment ASAP, and will post when I do.....
Wow, coating looks pretty crappy in certain places, particularly on the y-pipe. What's up with that V-shaped pipe weld from the rear bank going into the Y? From all the hype I've heard on this board, I was expecting better. I was hoping to get these one day, but I'm not convinced I should ante up for this anymore.
Dude, calm down. those are re-coated with the new coating. The old one failed, it pitted from some rusting and then it was cleaned up and recoated. That's what you're seeing in the coating. New headers should look like glass
So if we want to join this group buy, is it still possible? Also...the forms order forms didn't work (I have a mac) and "download to disk" didn't work (there's no save as), any suggestions?
Originally posted by bamf2go:
So if we want to join this group buy, is it still possible? Also...the forms order forms didn't work (I have a mac) and "download to disk" didn't work (there's no save as), any suggestions?
yes you can still join, anyone can. im gonna try to find a new host for the pics
bump
(i think the previous reply needs some editing)
Russell, that's just cruel
.
Anyway, I'll be sending my payment in this afternoon.
Originally posted by SitatioN10:
Post deleted by Rara
thanks
hi all,
does anybody know what level of support (if any) marty at msds gives these header in cases of rust/corrosion in the long term? this last winter season was brutal on the undercarriage of my car . .
dcl
how many people have payed?
Not as of yet, but please know that they will have my $$$$ before the 30th.
What happens if 10+ people end up not following through? Will we get the same prices......or what?
I faxed in my order last week and emailed them to ask if they recived it, but I have heard nothing yet. I am a bit worried, are they usually very slow at responding to emails/orders?
Originally posted by Ronan:
I faxed in my order last week and emailed them to ask if they recived it, but I have heard nothing yet. I am a bit worried, are they usually very slow at responding to emails/orders?
I have tried phoning MSDS, but it appears that they dont take calls, and I had to leave a message. What is the name of the guy dealing with the group buy in there? I still have heard no word from them if they recieved my order. I am nearly afraid to send it again in case its mis-interptered as two orders! Can anyone help?
Originally posted by Ronan:
I have tried phoning MSDS, but it appears that they dont take calls, and I had to leave a message. What is the name of the guy dealing with the group buy in there? I still have heard no word from them if they recieved my order. I am nearly afraid to send it again in case its mis-interptered as two orders! Can anyone help?
Maybe I will stay away from this One It doesn't sound Good And I can't find Out when It ends.
June 30. Just read the whole thread.
Originally posted by Superperk:
June 30. Just read the whole thread.
I'm lazy 
I just read the whole thing and read June 30 
Just mailed in my order............Cant wait.
Originally posted by Swazo:
Not as of yet, but please know that they will have my $$$$ before the 30th.
What happens if 10+ people end up not following through? Will we get the same prices......or what?
This is something I need to know before I follow through. How many people have payed as of yet? 10 day to go.........tick tock tick tock
Originally posted by Swazo:
Originally posted by Swazo:
Not as of yet, but please know that they will have my $$$$ before the 30th.
What happens if 10+ people end up not following through? Will we get the same prices......or what?
This is something I need to know before I follow through. How many people have payed as of yet? 10 day to go.........tick tock tick tock
still waiting on response from MSDS
How many people have paid???
I just got a phone call from Martin in MSDS and he says that he recieved my order which is cool. He also mentioned that he is still waiting for the remaining people to send in their orders, so all seems on track. I guess he must not have all ten orders so far. He has mine anyways!
Did he tell you if you're still going to get that price for the headers no matter what?
I'm still in of course as I have faith in this GB. I will make payment by this saturday.
well im mailing my payment tomorrow (friday)
thanks to my mom for lending me $200 !
Do we need a 2 or 3-bolt pattern on an SVT?
Well I called in my CC order just now....
Originally posted by papadage:
Do we need a 2 or 3-bolt pattern on an SVT?
My '99 is a 3 bolt.
Also for those of you who have not paid yet, payments must be recieved by MSDS TODAY. If you have not done so, pick up the phone and give 'em your credit card number.
To recap, 10 said they would take part. They were:
1. Russell
2. Drew
3. Swazo
4. Friction (Chris Hinds)
5. Axio from NECO
6. Ronan
7. AndrewR
8. motownSVT
9. nggalant
10. papadage
Then superperk and FlechaAutoSports jumped in shortly after that list was posted. So far 5 people have posted that they sent in payments. That would be:
1. Russell
2. Swazo
3. Ronan
4. AndrewR
5. Superperk
Was there a point to me typing this? I don't know.
EDIT: Added the list.
Originally posted by AndrewR:
Also for those of you who have not paid yet, payments must be recieved by MSDS TODAY. If you have not done so, pick up the phone and give 'em your credit card number.
YEAH, what he said!
Oh man would I be pissed if anyone who said they would, didn't follow through. I understand things come up, trust me I know. BUT, there is almost no excuse to bail out. Death is about the only one I'd accept
I've tried calling my order in all day. Finally, I faxed it in and got a confirmation from their fax machine. I am still trying to call and make sure it is counted in the group buy..
OK..Marty called. I am confirmed..
Yup, I just talked to Marty also...he said "yes this was a smaller GB than originally planned....buuuuuuuut we'll go ahead and stick with our end of the deal." Great, good news!
Also he said to expect them at the end of July or the beginning of August.
I'm just really glad we still got the good pricing
i talked to amrty today, its NOT too late to still get in on this !!
OK, now big question...
Since I missed the Brullen group buy. What catback to pair with the headers. Also, is there a bolt-on hi flow cat that would work pretty easily with these?
Look into the True Bendz true dual exhaust GB that's getting off the ground.
Cant wait to get these, its going to be hard to wait a month. I think I will be the first car in Ireland to have a set! Does anyone know what kind of gains one can expect with headers , bearing in mind that I am running a twin exhaust with a cat replacemnt pipe, and a induction kit with a pro-flow75maff? I am being pesimistic and guessing around 10-ish, maybe a bit less, but I am hearing at much at 30???
I've heard it's about 10-12 HP dyno proven gains..........but I wonder what the torque gains would be....
To the search button ::do do doooooo!::
Originally posted by Swazo:
OK, I got a receipt and a "Vtec smoked by DURATEC" sticker from MSDS today......does that mean I'll be getting my headers any day now????
i got the same thing in the mail saturday
Originally posted by Russell:
Originally posted by Swazo:
OK, I got a receipt and a "Vtec smoked by DURATEC" sticker from MSDS today......does that mean I'll be getting my headers any day now????
i got the same thing in the mail saturday
Funny thing is - When I ordered my headers through the last Group Buy that went on, I got that mailing w/ sticker a day AFTER I received my headers!!
So I would say - Any Day now....Any Day now.
I have not recieved or heard anything. My account has not had any deductions either.
Originally posted by Superperk:
I have not recieved or heard anything. My account has not had any deductions either.
if you have not already done so, you should call and confirm.
Originally posted by GR8SVT:
Originally posted by Superperk:
I have not recieved or heard anything. My account has not had any deductions either.
if you have not already done so, you should call and confirm.
W3RD
Superperk, did you send in your order? I know when I called my order in I talked to Marty right off the bat.
