GB: Thomas Knight Supercharger Kit

Originally posted by Redlineracer12:

Originally posted by dpa43:
Very interesting, never thought about putting it over on that side.

I've looked over most of the cougar post as it has been being updated... looks like it could have potential for a good alternative to the not so favored Vortech

So far there have been concerns about the bend at the TB.

The kits for the first group buy over on NECO are arriving at the buyers doorsteps this week and last week.. Once they are installed I will have more information..

Also I am updating the links to pics, the neco forum software messed up the links

Do you happen to know if Mr. Knight every plans on selling just the bracket and charger? Id be interested in picking those up eventually but i'd like to do some different things with the piping....

Sorry to say I doubt he will be

wow.

Originally posted by recliner15:
Sorry to say I doubt he will be

Thats too bad, I would only assume hed get alot more orders that way. Maybe he makes most his margin on the piping....

Well, Contours couldn't put the intake in that location unless we relocated the radiator "catch can" to the driver's side.

I'm not at all sure the S/C unit would fit, but then I'm no expert on the engine bay, either.

one of the pictures show the radiator overflow relocated to the original airbox location.

Originally posted by RogerB:
Well, Contours couldn't put the intake in that location unless we relocated the radiator "catch can" to the driver's side.

I'm not at all sure the S/C unit would fit, but then I'm no expert on the engine bay, either.

Part of the install is to relocate the radiator overflow canister to the driver side, so not an issue. The SC was installed in a Cougar, so the engine bay dimensions should be close to the SAME. The Cougar might even have a slightly lower hood?? I'm no expert either, but it should fit in a Contour just fine.

When this GB first started, I was considering it as an alternative. It seems to be a very nice low cost kit, but because the creator of the kit never seems to post & it's being sold/marketed by a third party, I've been uncomfortable with the whole financial & accountability arrangements so will be taking my project in a different direction. As kits get delivered & installs completed, we will all get more comfortable with them, I'm sure.

Ill be waiting to see how they work on other peoples cars. I want to see how reliable the little supercharger is and all that fun stuff. I may of missed it, but who makes this supercharger? is there a support market for it? If someone were to buy it and decided to go retarded crazy are there several different internal upgrades / pullies? (not just the upgrade you can get with the Group buy).

The reason I would want only the bracket and charger is because id like to clock the outlet twoards the headlight, and run it across the front like stazi has into a water / air cooler and then a nice radiused bend to the TB (which would put a nice lenght of straight pipe in front of the MAF... (I give credit to worldtour for the idea

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Originally posted by Pudmunkie:

The reason I would want only the bracket and charger is because id like to clock the outlet twoards the headlight, and run it across the front like stazi has into a water / air cooler and then a nice radiused bend to the TB (which would put a nice lenght of straight pipe in front of the MAF... (I give credit to worldtour for the idea )

to me that would be a much better way to route the piping but I suppose that leads to an issue with relocating the coolant tank ...

Originally posted by BrApple:

Originally posted by Pudmunkie:

The reason I would want only the bracket and charger is because id like to clock the outlet twoards the headlight, and run it across the front like stazi has into a water / air cooler and then a nice radiused bend to the TB (which would put a nice lenght of straight pipe in front of the MAF... (I give credit to worldtour for the idea )

to me that would be a much better way to route the piping but I suppose that leads to an issue with relocating the coolant tank ...

The new relocated coolant tank would still be fine there.

I believe that is what pud is refering too as runnin gyour own pipes. This is a car over on neco. He used a procharger the same way TK is doing his supercharger setup. He also did his own piping like many others would like to do with this kit.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/carboncougar/myenginebay1.jpg

Thats very close to what I was thinking.

Brapple, with the battery relocated, and the coolant tank turned, or a new one made... like that one there would be plenty of room for an air to water.

And if that fails, there is always a front mount

im very interested.....

Originally posted by TourDeForce:

When this GB first started, I was considering it as an alternative. It seems to be a very nice low cost kit, but because the creator of the kit never seems to post & it's being sold/marketed by a third party, I've been uncomfortable with the whole financial & accountability arrangements so will be taking my project in a different direction. As kits get delivered & installs completed, we will all get more comfortable with them, I'm sure.

I'm with TourDeForce on this one.

I went to his site and he doesn't even have it listed at this time. He does have some nice kits for some other vehicles but nothin listed for the Contour or Cougar.

http://www.boosthead.com/product.php

Plus I also would like the piping ran a different way.

dont know if u all know but Thomas Knight has been doin this for a loooooooong time. He is known for going out and making FI kits for cars that noone really does. i remember like 6 years ago when he had a turbo kit for the 90-95 sohc 1.9l escort. i trust him, but i want to see what the kit does for the others first. but i do want one bad.

I would also be interested in the charger/bracket only...

Maybe if we can get enough interest, he might give in!

I agree..
someone important shoudl email him and see..

Originally posted by jitb:
I agree..
someone important shoudl email him and see..

DONE...

He quoted 1600 for bracket and all parts less the pipes.

Wonder if we can make a GB off that price! Im ready to drop the cash in July before this ends, even if I dont know when I'll install it. Just to have around for a snowwy month here in Cleveland

Ill work like a donkey to pay off some loose ends and get down on a GB price. Perhaps we could try and start GB price winter ish?

Originally posted by djdanyloz:
DONE...

He quoted 1600 for bracket and all parts less the pipes.

Very nice!!!

well let us know what he ays abou the GB for the bracket it self.. PLEASE im ready to buy!

Let me know, i was going to buy the whole kit now? lol

The people over on the cougar site. Have the first 4 kits.

blackcoog had installed his. He says the power steeing pulley was not recieved in his package. So tk sent it out to him. So far the kit seems pretty good. His powersteering line has to by manipulated to fit inside the bracket. The pipes also came black, not polished.

I am thinking we can get some one to build us a smaller ps pulley so we can increase psi for more cfm increase.

The ps pulley bolts on top of our current ps pulley which is then belted to run the supercharger.

That added pulley can be smaller. cough cough

How much would a pipe kit cost to fnish this project guys?

200 including fmic?

The supplied PS pulley will have to be modified to give a LARGER SC drive pulley to get more boost. If you make the PS pulley smaller, you're over-boosting the PS. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. The pulley/shaft at the SC end is already pretty darn small.

Originally posted by TourDeForce:

Originally posted by RogerB:
Well, Contours couldn't put the intake in that location unless we relocated the radiator "catch can" to the driver's side.

I'm not at all sure the S/C unit would fit, but then I'm no expert on the engine bay, either.

Part of the install is to relocate the radiator overflow canister to the driver side...

Ah! I was thinking for a minute that the Cougar came that way (but I couldn't imaging why)

Originally posted by TourDeForce:
The supplied PS pulley will have to be modified to give a LARGER SC drive pulley to get more boost. If you make the PS pulley smaller, you're over-boosting the PS. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. The pulley/shaft at the SC end is already pretty darn small.

you are not understanding me.

You have the stock ps pulley on. You then bolt the super charger ps pulley on top of you stock ps currently on ur car. So u have 2 pulleys on the same ps pole. 1 for your stock belt driven. then the other pulley gets its own belt.
That would nod make ur ps run any faster it still has its stock revolutions.

Does that make sense.

Originally posted by Rickson:

Originally posted by TourDeForce:
The supplied PS pulley will have to be modified to give a LARGER SC drive pulley to get more boost. If you make the PS pulley smaller, you're over-boosting the PS. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. The pulley/shaft at the SC end is already pretty darn small.

you are not understanding me.

You have the stock ps pulley on. You then bolt the super charger ps pulley on top of you stock ps currently on ur car. So u have 2 pulleys on the same ps pole. 1 for your stock belt driven. then the other pulley gets its own belt.
That would nod make ur ps run any faster it still has its stock revolutions.

Does that make sense.

Sure, but if you make the SC drive pully on the PS pole smaller, the SC turns slower, not faster. The other end of the belt is pretty much a drive shaft on the SC, so making that smaller may not be an option.

Maybe we're both cloudy on what the other is trying to express...

If you would like to purchase a kit please PM me!

Heres some info from a Blackcoog, he posted over on the SVTOA Twin Cities forums... clicky

Right now, he ordered a BOV and FMIC. So after he installs these. He will be making a trip to the dyno.

Also after he installed this supercharger. His car is runing mad rich he said.

His dyno will make it or break it for this kit.

I'm VERY close to buying it for this winter. I will be taking care of my parent's cars here in Cleveland while the move to Florida for the Fall, Winter, and Spring.

So I'm thinking of spending a few months customizing the crap out of the kit and making it ideal. I know it isn't too amazing of a kit but it will give me something to do as it snows 100" in 3 months. And i'll just have to drive around my dad's xkr while my car's DND.

Just think the kit has some potential if every pipe is thought out weeks at a time, with no rush to get it going.

Taking the turbo off my car soon. Will be for sale on ebay, and I put 34k miles on my SVT and it worked great. I am taking it back to stock for trade in or selling it stock. Just a heads up. -B.

PM me for detail's

Hell, do I ditch a new ride and swap this in with mtx?

Interesting..

How much power does this create. Not sure how much it would be with having to push the air so far!

Thats a might small looking intake/charger. Again whats its HP rating?

55 hp on an atx cougar.

The 55 hp was registered with a g-tech reading.

The supercharger in this application is perfect for the 2.5 liter.

If u have a liter a larger compressor is needed which they also offer for no extra charge.

Originally posted by Rickson:
55 hp on an atx cougar.

The 55 hp was registered with a g-tech reading.

The supercharger in this application is perfect for the 2.5 liter.

If u have a liter a larger compressor is needed which they also offer for no extra charge.

And this was on a stock ATX cougar.. gains will be higher with other mods such as exhaust, intake, headers, etc

I Just don't understand why Tk won't go get this supercharger on a car dyno'd.

Come on 50 dollars is what it would take.

Then we can have a real reading on dyno numbers. Instead of a g-tech thingy.

Blackcoog has a 3L and gettinga larger compressor with an additional BOV and FMIC.

So those reading will be way off of a standard contour/cougar.

Originally posted by Rickson:
I Just don't understand why Tk won't go get this supercharger on a car dyno'd.

Come on 50 dollars is what it would take.

Then we can have a real reading on dyno numbers. Instead of a g-tech thingy.

Blackcoog has a 3L and gettinga larger compressor with an additional BOV and FMIC.

So those reading will be way off of a standard contour/cougar.

He said he is much too busy to take the car to a DYNO. The Meter he uses is very reliable.

Originally posted by recliner15:
He said he is much too busy to take the car to a DYNO. The Meter he uses is very predictable.

Fixed. Reads about 10 hp lower than a dyno IIRC...

Originally posted by recliner15:

Originally posted by Rickson:
I Just don't understand why Tk won't go get this supercharger on a car dyno'd.

Come on 50 dollars is what it would take.

Then we can have a real reading on dyno numbers. Instead of a g-tech thingy.

Blackcoog has a 3L and gettinga larger compressor with an additional BOV and FMIC.

So those reading will be way off of a standard contour/cougar.

He said he is much too busy to take the car to a DYNO. The Meter he uses is very reliable.

If they are to lazy to get it dyno'd to give some hard core numbers. I wouldn't spend a penny on it. What if yea get it and the pos only produces 20 HP cause to me and all my friends it looks like it would! Now they will probably be to lazy to refund you your money. Which would be time for a quick drive and beat the [censored] out of some scammer. To me not dynoing a product that says it increases your horse power by that much yells SCAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! So its their choice. Do they wanna sell to the dumb, or those who actually would get it with some hard core numbers. Someone should tell this company they are fing idoits.

Ok well think about this.
Reclines is over on NECO where I am from. He has done tons of sales before, with other products and seems to be a great guy. As stated earlier, he's a third party. He's not the company who produced these things. I understand and agree, yes he should have it dyno'd. But don't think he's trying to stiff anyone.

Originally posted by auiotour:

Originally posted by recliner15:

Originally posted by Rickson:
I Just don't understand why Tk won't go get this supercharger on a car dyno'd.

Come on 50 dollars is what it would take.

Then we can have a real reading on dyno numbers. Instead of a g-tech thingy.

Blackcoog has a 3L and gettinga larger compressor with an additional BOV and FMIC.

So those reading will be way off of a standard contour/cougar.

He said he is much too busy to take the car to a DYNO. The Meter he uses is very reliable.

If they are to lazy to get it dyno'd to give some hard core numbers. I wouldn't spend a penny on it. What if yea get it and the pos only produces 20 HP cause to me and all my friends it looks like it would! Now they will probably be to lazy to refund you your money. Which would be time for a quick drive and beat the [censored] out of some scammer. To me not dynoing a product that says it increases your horse power by that much yells SCAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! So its their choice. Do they wanna sell to the dumb, or those who actually would get it with some hard core numbers. Someone should tell this company they are fing idoits.

If you have so much to say why dont you step up and email him and tell him hes a [censored] idiot.. and let me know what he says. Ok bye

Originally posted by recliner15:

Originally posted by auiotour:

Originally posted by recliner15:

Originally posted by Rickson:
I Just don't understand why Tk won't go get this supercharger on a car dyno'd.

Come on 50 dollars is what it would take.

Then we can have a real reading on dyno numbers. Instead of a g-tech thingy.

Blackcoog has a 3L and gettinga larger compressor with an additional BOV and FMIC.

So those reading will be way off of a standard contour/cougar.

He said he is much too busy to take the car to a DYNO. The Meter he uses is very reliable.

If they are to lazy to get it dyno'd to give some hard core numbers. I wouldn't spend a penny on it. What if yea get it and the pos only produces 20 HP cause to me and all my friends it looks like it would! Now they will probably be to lazy to refund you your money. Which would be time for a quick drive and beat the [censored] out of some scammer. To me not dynoing a product that says it increases your horse power by that much yells SCAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! So its their choice. Do they wanna sell to the dumb, or those who actually would get it with some hard core numbers. Someone should tell this company they are fing idoits.

If you have so much to say why dont you step up and email him and tell him hes a [censored] idiot.. and let me know what he says. Ok bye

I think you should email them. They will respond to you.

I have called them personally. Left a voicemail. And he said they arn't going to get on forums or call everyone back. Just send them an email and they will respond to you. That was what a message said in my voicemail box.

Originally posted by Rickson:

Originally posted by recliner15:

Originally posted by auiotour:

Originally posted by recliner15:

Originally posted by Rickson:
I Just don't understand why Tk won't go get this supercharger on a car dyno'd.

Come on 50 dollars is what it would take.

Then we can have a real reading on dyno numbers. Instead of a g-tech thingy.

Blackcoog has a 3L and gettinga larger compressor with an additional BOV and FMIC.

So those reading will be way off of a standard contour/cougar.

He said he is much too busy to take the car to a DYNO. The Meter he uses is very reliable.

If they are to lazy to get it dyno'd to give some hard core numbers. I wouldn't spend a penny on it. What if yea get it and the pos only produces 20 HP cause to me and all my friends it looks like it would! Now they will probably be to lazy to refund you your money. Which would be time for a quick drive and beat the [censored] out of some scammer. To me not dynoing a product that says it increases your horse power by that much yells SCAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! So its their choice. Do they wanna sell to the dumb, or those who actually would get it with some hard core numbers. Someone should tell this company they are fing idoits.

If you have so much to say why dont you step up and email him and tell him hes a [censored] idiot.. and let me know what he says. Ok bye

I think you should email them. They will respond to you.

I have called them personally. Left a voicemail. And he said they arn't going to get on forums or call everyone back. Just send them an email and they will respond to you. That was what a message said in my voicemail box.

If they are to lazy to dyno their product why should I even try to contact them. If they dont call their customers back its bad customer service. Which = if something bad happens your [censored]!

Originally posted by auiotour:

Originally posted by Rickson:

Originally posted by recliner15:

Originally posted by auiotour:

Originally posted by recliner15:

Originally posted by Rickson:
I Just don't understand why Tk won't go get this supercharger on a car dyno'd.

Come on 50 dollars is what it would take.

Then we can have a real reading on dyno numbers. Instead of a g-tech thingy.

Blackcoog has a 3L and gettinga larger compressor with an additional BOV and FMIC.

So those reading will be way off of a standard contour/cougar.

He said he is much too busy to take the car to a DYNO. The Meter he uses is very reliable.

If they are to lazy to get it dyno'd to give some hard core numbers. I wouldn't spend a penny on it. What if yea get it and the pos only produces 20 HP cause to me and all my friends it looks like it would! Now they will probably be to lazy to refund you your money. Which would be time for a quick drive and beat the [censored] out of some scammer. To me not dynoing a product that says it increases your horse power by that much yells SCAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! So its their choice. Do they wanna sell to the dumb, or those who actually would get it with some hard core numbers. Someone should tell this company they are fing idoits.

If you have so much to say why dont you step up and email him and tell him hes a [censored] idiot.. and let me know what he says. Ok bye

I think you should email them. They will respond to you.

I have called them personally. Left a voicemail. And he said they arn't going to get on forums or call everyone back. Just send them an email and they will respond to you. That was what a message said in my voicemail box.

If they are to lazy to dyno their product why should I even try to contact them. If they dont call their customers back its bad customer service. Which = if something bad happens your [censored]!

Not At all. Contact Blackcoog on NECO Forums, he has gotten GREAT service directly from Mr. Knight.
Also, please stop cluttering up my thread with useless posts.

Originally posted by recliner15:
... please stop cluttering up my thread with useless posts.

Fo real, man. You don't like the arrangement auiotour, don't buy it. Let the rest of us make up our own minds, mmm-K?

I've had reservations as well, but so far I've seen no evidence to suggest anybody is gettin' ripped. A real world customer install is in process & dyno will surely follow. Until then, it is very cool that somebody is doing SOMETHING to support an old platform. You got something better to put on the table auiotour then I'd be delighted to have a look. Otherwise, relax.

Patience, lad... Be cool.

Originally posted by TourDeForce:

Originally posted by recliner15:
... please stop cluttering up my thread with useless posts.

Fo real, man. You don't like the arrangement auiotour, don't buy it. Let the rest of us make up our own minds, mmm-K?

I've had reservations as well, but so far I've seen no evidence to suggest anybody is gettin' ripped. A real world customer install is in process & dyno will surely follow. Until then, it is very cool that somebody is doing SOMETHING to support an old platform. You got something better to put on the table auiotour then I'd be delighted to have a look. Otherwise, relax.

Patience, lad... Be cool.

Lad, wtf

Anyways I support all who want to support our platform. I have been on this site for too long and understand how many gb's on here go south. And of course you haven't seen any evidence of someone being ripped off cause nobody here has bought the unclaimed HP gain's of this sc. As for making something better. Did I [censored] say anything about being able to make something better. No i [censored] didnt. I said they need to stop being [censored] lazy and get off their ass any dyno the [censored] thing. Why not start with the car they fit the kit to in the first place! Why do they need a RW customer to install it before they can dyno it? It's not like it's going to cost so much more then that they will break their bank. No its not going too. Until they want to step up and do the simple things that it would require to prove this is worth something say what is the actual Hp gain on a v6 or svt. Either one would get this GB moving, but no, since we have none of that this GB is stopped dead in its tracks, and by me posting everyone has realized it and won't buy it until they have atleast put some numbers out there.

I don't enjoy relaxing while others get screwed. Specially people who I have come to know over the past 4 years.

Originally posted by auiotour:

Originally posted by TourDeForce:

Originally posted by recliner15:
... please stop cluttering up my thread with useless posts.

Fo real, man. You don't like the arrangement auiotour, don't buy it. Let the rest of us make up our own minds, mmm-K?

I've had reservations as well, but so far I've seen no evidence to suggest anybody is gettin' ripped. A real world customer install is in process & dyno will surely follow. Until then, it is very cool that somebody is doing SOMETHING to support an old platform. You got something better to put on the table auiotour then I'd be delighted to have a look. Otherwise, relax.

Patience, lad... Be cool.

Lad, wtf

I don't enjoy relaxing while others get screwed. Specially people who I have come to know over the past 4 years.

OK Lad. Last I checked the Cougar boards where this originated, you'd see that there are 4 or 5 kits already sold & installs are ongoing. Nobody here bought one - that we know of - fine. Perhaps they're waiting for a report from one of the Cougar owners. That's what I'm doing.

Point is, relax quit bitching until you see some sort of evidence to support your griping. Nobody has been ripped off that I know of, product has been sold, no GBs going south at this time.

mmmm-K?

Originally posted by auiotour:
Lad, wtf

Anyways I support all who want to support our platform. I have been on this site for too long and understand how many gb's on here go south. And of course you haven't seen any evidence of someone being ripped off cause nobody here has bought the unclaimed HP gain's of this sc. As for making something better. Did I [censored] say anything about being able to make something better. No i [censored] didnt. I said they need to stop being [censored] lazy and get off their ass any dyno the [censored] thing. Why not start with the car they fit the kit to in the first place! Why do they need a RW customer to install it before they can dyno it? It's not like it's going to cost so much more then that they will break their bank. No its not going too. Until they want to step up and do the simple things that it would require to prove this is worth something say what is the actual Hp gain on a v6 or svt. Either one would get this GB moving, but no, since we have none of that this GB is stopped dead in its tracks, and by me posting everyone has realized it and won't buy it until they have atleast put some numbers out there.

I don't enjoy relaxing while others get screwed. Specially people who I have come to know over the past 4 years.

Youâ�?��?�ve made it known you donâ�?��?�t like the way Thomas Knight markets his product. Now youâ�?��?�re just a nuisance. You sound like an angry, bitter old man looking for something to [censored] about and trying to portray your bitching as a â�?��?community service.â�?�

ANYONE whoâ�?��?�s developing anything new for this car that went out of production six years ago should be encouraged and given every single benefit of the doubt. I see nothing here that indicates this man is trying to â�?��?screwâ�?� anyone. Heâ�?��?�s offering an extremely inexpensive supercharger kit, making it clear that some ingenuity and effort will be required to see good results.

There is nothing wrong with this! This kit makes forced induction available to many more (young) hobbyists who want to experiment and be creative with the technology.

No other vendor is doing this for us. You complain he is cutting costs on things you think are vital and are basically suggesting the community, as a whole, should shun his efforts because of it. I say to hell with you on this subject.

Auiotour, Iâ�?��?�ll offer you some advice thatâ�?��?�s far less cordial than others have posted. STFU. Is that plainly worded enough?

wow jed..

You must have been inuslted by this persons behavior to go off on him. I have never seen you so express your self this way before.

Originally posted by Rickson:
wow jed..

You must have been inuslted by this persons behavior to go off on him. I have never seen you so express your self this way before.

Well, I respect entrepreneurship. There is nothing to indicate that Thomas Knight is trying to screw anyone with this kit. He has been very upfront with both its good points (cost, compressor design) and its shortcomings. Auiotour uselessly berating the man in his own sales thread is very bad manners and bound to cause bad feelings in a vendor who could be a real boon to our platform.

If Auiotour had started a thread in â�?��?Forced Inductionâ�?� to discuss this kitâ�?��?�s shortcomings (and how to remedy them) then I would never have taken offense and would have joined the discussion.

In retrospect I do regret the language I used.

Originally posted by JEDsContour:

Originally posted by Rickson:
wow jed..

You must have been inuslted by this persons behavior to go off on him. I have never seen you so express your self this way before.

Well, I respect entrepreneurship. There is nothing to indicate that Thomas Knight is trying to screw anyone with this kit. He has been very upfront with both its good points (cost, compressor design) and its shortcomings. Auiotour uselessly berating the man in his own sales thread is very bad manners and bound to cause bad feelings in a vendor who could be a real boon to our platform.

If Auiotour had started a thread in â�?��?Forced Inductionâ�?� to discuss this kitâ�?��?�s shortcomings (and how to remedy them) then I would never have taken offense and would have joined the discussion.

In retrospect I do regret the language I used.

It was more of a question for those posting the GB then talking about something that nobody on ceg has any clue about.