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Posted By: fpipes worst car built - 03/05/04 07:34 AM
i hate my '98 ford contour with 85,434 miles. this car has one problem after another. it is just terrible. it is unbelievable how a quality car company could make such a car. I DIDNT' EVER LIKE FORD, AND I GIVE THEM NO MORE CHANCES. they disgust me..i'm selling this car if anyone is interested for $2500, i can't believe it is actually worth more, the poor shouldn't even be given this car..i wish i could give it away for free.
Posted By: MarkO_dup1 Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 07:37 AM
Deep breath .... deep breath ... deep breath. We all go through it dude. It's not picking on you specifically. There are worse cars out there.

What problems are you having ?
Posted By: Bullet Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 11:33 AM
Originally posted by MarkO:

What problems are you having ?



Yeah, if you could maybe be a bit more specific on your problems, we could help you feel something other than blind hate for your car. I'm sure we've all been there at some point, I know I have.
Posted By: TourDeForce Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 01:55 PM
Specify some of your problems. Perhaps we can help - You'll find that CEG exists for exactly that purpose, & there are helpful CEGers in your area.

If not, I might be interested in buying it for my daughter, but I'll still need to know what problems you're having.
Posted By: CSVT1214 Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 02:10 PM
it might seem like its the worst car ever built but try having 3 tranny replacements within less than 6 months time. the car was actually just sold and when we sold it, it was on its 5th tranny (4 replacements from original). it was a 98 Kia Sephia with only 41k miles.

good luck with w/e your doing with the car but realize a Contour is not the worst car built, theres alot worse out there.
Posted By: Beachboy_dup1 Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 02:49 PM
Originally posted by fpipes:
i hate my '98 ford contour with 85,434 miles. this car has one problem after another. it is just terrible. it is unbelievable how a quality car company could make such a car. I DIDNT' EVER LIKE FORD, AND I GIVE THEM NO MORE CHANCES. they disgust me..i'm selling this car if anyone is interested for $2500, i can't believe it is actually worth more, the poor shouldn't even be given this car..i wish i could give it away for free.




You state that Ford is a quality car company, but then say you didn't ever like Ford? That doesn't make much sense.

If you hate it as much as you claim to, then sell it and buy something that makes you happy. A lot of people like these cars, but obviously not everybody does.
Posted By: fordceggl Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 04:21 PM
My 96 Contour has had lots of problems too. Like replacing my trasmission like 5 times. 3 head gaskets and many more things too. But after a changed alot of things on it mostly with the engine. I had no problems in the past 3yrs.
Posted By: MysticFreak Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 05:54 PM
I'm at 80000 and haven't had that many probs. There are many, many, many worse cars out there. Such as:
Chevy Malibu, Chevy Cavilier, Dodge Neon, anything by Daewoo, etc.
Posted By: chongo Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 06:40 PM
Hmmmm all cars when the get upto 85,000 need to get repaired.
I had a Pontiac Sunbird that needed more work than my car did at 100,000 km.
The problem is when millage goes up and you replace a part, another weaker part down the line usually goes.
Hence the list of repairs grows.
Once you've fixed everything your done. Buying a new/used car isn't a gaurantee things won't break or be cover by the warranty.
Posted By: TaurusKev Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 07:11 PM
I know my 95 Contour with 140,000 miles on it feels pretty bad when it stops working, dont let it get to you, I have seen MANY Worse cars pull into our school's auto shop (BTW: Most were GM's or Honda or Toyota....) But after you get the car fixed, its all worth it... Chill man
Posted By: MassContour Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 08:01 PM
Yeah, if you think about how much of a premium you pay for a new car, you're still better off fixing your current vehicle.

For example, I look at my CSVT and say, "Well, I paid around $7,000 for a car that was around $24,000 new, and I've only put around $1,500 into it so far, so I'm still making out on the deal.''

But I understand; it's the headache of always having something to fix that drives us all crazy.
Posted By: TourDeForce where'd he go?? - 03/05/04 08:19 PM
Left a rant then took off. Didn't come back to follow up on the offers of help. Even after I offered to maybe buy his car...
Posted By: bigMoneyRacing_dup1 Re: worst car built - 03/05/04 10:14 PM
Originally posted by fpipes:
i hate my '98 ford contour with 85,434 miles. this car has one problem after another. it is just terrible. it is unbelievable how a quality car company could make such a car. I DIDNT' EVER LIKE FORD, AND I GIVE THEM NO MORE CHANCES. they disgust me..i'm selling this car if anyone is interested for $2500, i can't believe it is actually worth more, the poor shouldn't even be given this car..i wish i could give it away for free.




All ads should be placed in the classifieds!
Posted By: MysticFreak Re: where'd he go?? - 03/06/04 12:17 AM
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Left a rant then took off. Didn't come back to follow up on the offers of help. Even after I offered to maybe buy his car...



A troll in disguise perhaps? There's no telling how many of them hang out here without revealing themselves. Ya never know.....
Posted By: fpipes Re: where'd he go?? - 03/06/04 02:29 AM
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Left a rant then took off. Didn't come back to follow up on the offers of help. Even after I offered to maybe buy his car...



MAN! this is the first time i'm back on my computer since i posted. Anyway, YES I DID SAY I DIDN'T LIKE FORD. but i gave them a chance. and they blew it.
MY '98 contour has over 85,000mi. i'm only 20yrs old and attend college full-time and work part-time. i only complain about this car b/c every other week it wants serious attention and it hard finding the time or money to fix and replace.
i bought this car b/c i was attracted to it. it is a very very nice looking car for the money and it rides pretty decent. my sister had a '96 Mercury Mystique and i liked it.
PROBLEMS: EXHAUST LEAK(doens't pass inspection), Temp. Guage reads high, but 3 mechanics say it is working perfectly and it is normal for this particular car. Transmission shifts hard (but realy isn't too bad, slam shifts), check engine light comes off and on every other day. i think its the o2 sensors. OH, and the car stalls if i have less a quarter tank of gas or less. What the heck is that?!!?
i just feel something is going to go wrong everytime i drive it. i looks good, but it feels wrong.
Posted By: Marky_dup1 Re: where'd he go?? - 03/06/04 03:07 AM
Originally posted by fpipes:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Left a rant then took off. Didn't come back to follow up on the offers of help. Even after I offered to maybe buy his car...



MAN! this is the first time i'm back on my computer since i posted. Anyway, YES I DID SAY I DIDN'T LIKE FORD. but i gave them a chance. and they blew it.
MY '98 contour has over 85,000mi. i'm only 20yrs old and attend college full-time and work part-time. i only complain about this car b/c every other week it wants serious attention and it hard finding the time or money to fix and replace.
i bought this car b/c i was attracted to it. it is a very very nice looking car for the money and it rides pretty decent. my sister had a '96 Mercury Mystique and i liked it.
PROBLEMS: EXHAUST LEAK(doens't pass inspection), Temp. Guage reads high, but 3 mechanics say it is working perfectly and it is normal for this particular car. Transmission shifts hard (but realy isn't too bad, slam shifts), check engine light comes off and on every other day. i think its the o2 sensors. OH, and the car stalls if i have less a quarter tank of gas or less. What the heck is that?!!?
i just feel something is going to go wrong everytime i drive it. i looks good, but it feels wrong.




Stupid car.
Posted By: MarkO_dup1 Re: where'd he go?? - 03/06/04 03:23 AM
What the hell do you want ? It's an 85k mile car !! Exhaust leak ? Where ? Have you tried to fix it ?

I had an exhaust leak at ~57k miles when a gasket failed. Big deal.

Overheating ? 3 different mechanics say it's ok. From your other thread, it seems ok to me too. Others have posted on that thread and said the same thing.

Stalling on 1/4 tanks of gas ? It sounds like your fuel pump is on its way out. Others can chime in too.

Shifts hard ? Checked your tranny fluid level ? Have you maintained the system ? Regular flushes ?

CEL on and off ? Get the damn codes pulled (free at Autozone) and post the codes here and then we can figure out whats wrong.

If you are a pizza delivery guy as your profile says, then you must realise that this stop-go driving will beat the crap out of your car. However it seems like you like pissing and moaning about your problems more than trying to fix them or even trying to figure out what the problem is.

Regards .....
Posted By: MercuryMystik99 Re: where'd he go?? - 03/06/04 07:22 AM
Gets too hot for your taste, maybe you should switch to synthetic oil (if you change ur oil at all) or check the level, flush the coolant, exhaust leak is an easy job, and the hard shifting could be fluid, or the turbine speed sensor (pretty cheap and pretty easy to replace yourself). Your only "serious attention" is the fuel pump which isnt a very big job at all. Cars need attention, look under your hood.
Posted By: Kremithefrog Re: where'd he go?? - 03/06/04 07:26 AM
Originally posted by fpipes:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Left a rant then took off. Didn't come back to follow up on the offers of help. Even after I offered to maybe buy his car...



MAN! this is the first time i'm back on my computer since i posted. Anyway, YES I DID SAY I DIDN'T LIKE FORD. but i gave them a chance. and they blew it.
MY '98 contour has over 85,000mi. i'm only 20yrs old and attend college full-time and work part-time. i only complain about this car b/c every other week it wants serious attention and it hard finding the time or money to fix and replace.
i bought this car b/c i was attracted to it. it is a very very nice looking car for the money and it rides pretty decent. my sister had a '96 Mercury Mystique and i liked it.
PROBLEMS: EXHAUST LEAK(doens't pass inspection), Temp. Guage reads high, but 3 mechanics say it is working perfectly and it is normal for this particular car. Transmission shifts hard (but realy isn't too bad, slam shifts), check engine light comes off and on every other day. i think its the o2 sensors. OH, and the car stalls if i have less a quarter tank of gas or less. What the heck is that?!!?
i just feel something is going to go wrong everytime i drive it. i looks good, but it feels wrong.



WOW, you mean every part on an engine should last forever? Well gosh I guess I'm mad at ford too since I have to do ROUTINE MAINTENANCE. Since it's clear you don't know how to take care of a car, I think you should start leasing,, lease something real fun, like a kia. I don't think Ford cares if they lose the business of someone that buys a used car and doesn't take care of it,, they're not making profit of someone selling the car they bought from Ford 6 years ago anyways.
Posted By: CRZYDRVR_dup1 Re: worst car built - 03/06/04 08:01 AM
Originally posted by fpipes:
i hate my '98 ford contour with 85,434 miles. this car has one problem after another. it is just terrible. it is unbelievable how a quality car company could make such a car. I DIDNT' EVER LIKE FORD, AND I GIVE THEM NO MORE CHANCES. they disgust me..i'm selling this car if anyone is interested for $2500, i can't believe it is actually worth more, the poor shouldn't even be given this car..i wish i could give it away for free.




An exhaust leak and a high temp reading isnt that big of a deal. You could have MUCH worse problems than that. Do you maintain it? If its a Zetec, it runs hot, most do. Change all the filters, and tranny fluid, and see what happens.
If the tranny fluid has never been changed, dont flush it, just change a little bit at a time.

Think about it this way, a fuel pump is much cheaper than if the engine blew, or all the wheels fell off on the highway......

Doesnt sound like the problems are so bad that you have to gripe so much about the car. I know its frustrating, but you gotta deal with it. You could go buy another used car that has a dozen worse problems. Just ask for help, there are a lot of people that will be willing to help on this site, mabye some in your area.

Originally posted by fpipes:

i wish i could give it away for free.




um...ok, let me give you my address...
Posted By: TaurusKev Re: where'd he go?? - 03/06/04 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Since it's clear you don't know how to take care of a car, I think you should start leasing,, lease something real fun, like a kia.



Ouch....
Also, if you just want to give that contour away for free, id gladly take it off your hands!!!!
Posted By: MysticFreak Re: where'd he go?? - 03/06/04 06:55 PM
Originally posted by fpipes:
PROBLEMS: EXHAUST LEAK(doens't pass inspection), Temp. Guage reads high, but 3 mechanics say it is working perfectly and it is normal for this particular car. Transmission shifts hard (but realy isn't too bad, slam shifts), check engine light comes off and on every other day. i think its the o2 sensors. OH, and the car stalls if i have less a quarter tank of gas or less. What the heck is that?!!?



Sound like its time for some serious maintainance my friend. You might wanna get your radiator flushed out, check those hoses and replace the radiator cap because that seal breaks down over time. Get a transmission drain and fill. I use Valvoline Maxlife Transmission fluid and mine feels better than it did with the fluid from the dealer. How old are your fuel and air filters? You can get your CEL codes at AutoZone. Before you replace your fuel pump you might try using some gas treatment because it sounds to me like you might have some condensation or something in your gas tank. And change your fuel filter if its old. Your fuel pump may or may not be bad....I'd try the cheap fixes first. Also, in the winter I don't let my gas tank get below half full because that allows condensation to buildup. Have you changed your PCV valve? Since you are a delivery driver you gotta follow the severe maintainece schedule because all that stop and go driving is very hard on your car.
Posted By: Tuned3900SFI Re: where'd he go?? - 03/07/04 02:50 AM
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
lease something real fun, like a kia.






Posted By: Josch_dup1 Re: where'd he go?? - 03/07/04 06:11 AM
85,000 miles huh? That only gives part of an indication of the vehicle's overall life taken off it. What kind of miles were those? Remember that the car is already 6 years old if it's a '98. Any car 6 years old needs attention maintenance-wise. I am a certified technician by trade, and I hear SO many sob stories from customers all day long, every day about "wah, wah, my car this, my car that, why did it break?" And people never are prepared for when it finally breaks due to lack of proper maintenance, and it's now costing them $3000 say, to replace some major thing because they didn't know that a car needs TLC at regular intervals. Did you happen to by chance read your owner's manual and perform all the service procedures at their proper times? Like did you do a 30k or more importantly the 60k service yet? Did you have all the factory recalls and TSBs serviced? You got the 90k service comin up anyways to be ready for. Do you have money set aside for that? I see too many customers who never set aside a dime for maintenance, and it always seems to bite them again and again in their lives. But the wise customers we have, never have this trial because they always plan on scheduled maintenance. Also those same wise people always want us to perform maintenance inspection to find any other things that might need attention even if it wasn't 'scheduled' maintenance per say. Inspections can go a long way to help figure out what a car may need. We always look over and advise customers of any red flags when we do simple oil changes, and half the people have us address them, while others don't seem to care too much. My Contour has been a great car for me since I always give it what it needs. I have 135,000 miles on mine with original motor/trans and it drives like new since I keep it up. It DOES have new O2 sensors on it, new cats, and passes emissions. It has new clutch, CV axles, lower control arms, water pump, and has always had new platinum plugs, new wires, fuel filters, PCV valves, air filters and any other tune-up parts it has ever needed, when it needed them. Not to mention annual coolant drain and fill, trans fluid flushes, brake fluid and power steering fluid flushes, and not to mention 3000 mile oil changes. I have always put the annual $1300 that Consumer Reports magazine estimates for annual maintenance each year on my make/model of car as shown in their auto review issues. Consumer Reports DID rate many of the Honda cars with lower estimated annual maintenance costs than Contour, so maybe you should sell your car, and buy a car that better fits your needs? Check out Consumer Reports car reviews. If your car has a $1300 estimated annual maintenance cost, and you only put a few hundred into it in the 6 years you've had it, then someday when all that maintenance catches up to your ignorance, then you will realize that you have much larger than a $1300 x 6 = ___ dollar bill waiting to suck you dry after you experience parts breakage. I'm just trying to put it in perspective for you is all. What do you expect? It's only a car. Who knows, maybe the dealer you bought the car from put an odometer in with less miles than it has. That's is one of the biggest used car sales tricks goin nowdays. One of the largest listings on www.car-part.com is for their used speedometer heads. So maybe your car has more miles on it than you know? But if so, that was up to you to determine before you laid down your money on it. It's all about laws of physics. Cars wear out. If you take really good care of them, the wear out process can be greatly slowed down. I still love my Contour just as much as the day I bought it at 27,000 miles. I hope to turn 200,000 miles at least before I retire the old drivetrain. All those fluid flushes, and taking care of it whenever something went out of spec is really paying off big time now
Posted By: Josch_dup1 Re: where'd he go?? - 03/07/04 06:19 AM
By the way, there is a TSB (technical service bulletin) through Ford about that on Zetecs, the temp gauge may read higher than other Contours. And this is a gauge problem and has nothing to do with actual temperature. This is normal. The important thing you observe is that this is your normal range of operation in the gauge, and if it goes above that level which you normally see the gauge at, only THEN would you might have reason to believe that you are overheating. Read the TSB. I found it on ALLdata not too long ago when we had a Mystique in our shop that had a Zetec. Is yours a Zetec (the 4 cyl one)?
Posted By: Kremithefrog Re: where'd he go?? - 03/07/04 06:31 AM
Actually (atleast on my 96) the temp gauge is fairly accurate in the sense that it does show when the engine is really hot. Though if it's in the normal range,, than that's normal hence it being called the normal range. At around the O in normal, my ECT is 172 degrees. I believe 180 is about what you want this type of engine to run at for optimal conditions which would put the needle sticking bout straight up.
Posted By: Josch_dup1 Re: where'd he go?? - 03/07/04 07:00 AM
Yeah, for the record, it was TSB 98-21-3 OCT 98 Temperature Gauge - Reads High At Normal Temperature
If I was at work I could print off the entire bulletin, but I'm not.
Posted By: btrautman Re: where'd he go?? - 03/07/04 12:56 PM
Well you know I believe in maintenance schedules....but when a water pump has to be replaced 5 times within 6 months, I should be billing someone for MY time. 5th water pump worked perfectly and have NO problems.....

Cars are getting more expensive, don't last as long, a pain in the a to work on and parts are expensive........sounds like a good revenue curve to me.....at least if your FORD.

If FORD invested another $1000 in Contours on the assembly line for well built cars, I would have gladly paid the difference. After all what is 18,000 compared to 19,000 when your spending this much? I will keep my Contour since it is paid for and I do all the repairs myself...buy I will NEVER buy a FORD again.

Now I have my eye on this 2004 Sonata with V6.....with 100,000 mile warranty.....wish my Contour had a 100,000 mile warranty........Yep it is confirmed, I won't purchase from Ford again.....

Posted By: CRZYDRVR_dup1 Re: where'd he go?? - 03/07/04 08:10 PM
Who made the water pump? Where did you get it at?
Posted By: lalonder Re: worst car built - 03/07/04 09:18 PM
Yeah, you do have to replace stuff to keep the baby going. At first I was frustrated (every car I had previously was a company car where I drove them into the ground), but quickly learned the concept of MAINTENANCE as I had no choice but to keep the car going. Some people think that parts last forever and it's inexcusable to have to think about replacing them. Buy used and maintain. You'll enjoy your car a lot more and a lot longer.

Here's what I have replaced. I'm at the 205,000 km mark (128,000 miles):

CV Boots/Joints
Struts
Timing Belt
Wheel bearings
3rd set of brakes
3rd set of tires
3 tune ups.
Posted By: MysticFreak Re: where'd he go?? - 03/07/04 11:20 PM
Originally posted by Josch:
I still love my Contour just as much as the day I bought it at 27,000 miles.




Me too!!!!
Posted By: MysticFreak Re: where'd he go?? - 03/07/04 11:23 PM
Originally posted by btrautman:

Now I have my eye on this 2004 Sonata with V6.....with 100,000 mile warranty.....



Read that warrenty carefully my friend. Make sure it's bumper to bumper. If it's just a powertrain warrenty it won't cover many parts.
Posted By: G Stone Re: where'd he go?? - 03/08/04 02:16 AM
I love my Contour just as much as when I bought it too! Its been about, oh... 8,000 miles.
Posted By: Tuned3900SFI Re: where'd he go?? - 03/08/04 02:31 AM



Its not 100,000 miles for everything... but its still a good warranty.
Posted By: 99Mystique ATX Re: where'd he go?? - 03/08/04 03:23 AM
Originally posted by fpipes:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Left a rant then took off. Didn't come back to follow up on the offers of help. Even after I offered to maybe buy his car...



MAN! this is the first time i'm back on my computer since i posted. Anyway, YES I DID SAY I DIDN'T LIKE FORD. but i gave them a chance. and they blew it.
MY '98 contour has over 85,000mi. i'm only 20yrs old and attend college full-time and work part-time. i only complain about this car b/c every other week it wants serious attention and it hard finding the time or money to fix and replace.
i bought this car b/c i was attracted to it. it is a very very nice looking car for the money and it rides pretty decent. my sister had a '96 Mercury Mystique and i liked it.
PROBLEMS: EXHAUST LEAK(doens't pass inspection), Temp. Guage reads high, but 3 mechanics say it is working perfectly and it is normal for this particular car. Transmission shifts hard (but realy isn't too bad, slam shifts), check engine light comes off and on every other day. i think its the o2 sensors. OH, and the car stalls if i have less a quarter tank of gas or less. What the heck is that?!!?
i just feel something is going to go wrong everytime i drive it. i looks good, but it feels wrong.





My mystique had the same exact problem, with it stalling with less than 1/4. It was a clogged up fuel filter. It also threw a CEL (Check engine light).

Some things you may want to do:
Plugs (Autolite APP764, if you can get them) and wires (Stock, Autolite or Magnecore)
Go to autozone and have them tell you the CEL Code
Replace the Cabin air filter (not performace related)
Flush tranny and Engine Coolant
UIM/LIM Cleaning, either one, removal or B12 style(FAQ on main page)
That's all I can think of right now



Like everyone has said, neglecting routine maintenance will likely cause problems in the long run. But, if you stay on top of it the car will run better and longer. You treat a car right and it'll treat you right.
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