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Okay i had thought it was normal untill i mentioned it to another SVT owner. Everytime i fill i alwayus check the gas mileage and i always get 19. granted, most of the time it is all suburban driving but this last tank was some highway too and still 19.

Also, this last tank i had made it a point to drive very conservatively: trying to shift below 3000 when possible.

What could be wrong that is causing this? Could some things need cleaned?



Thanks,
Ryan
Posted By: Ray_dup1 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 01:46 AM
Perhaps your math is off.


Outline your routine for determining milage, and we'll go from there (using actual numbers where available)


Ray
Posted By: Tony2005 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 01:56 AM
Also check tire pressure.
okay. i always fill up the tank and top it off twice (two more times that the pump auto shuts off) every time i write down the mileage and the recipt tells me how many gallons. so then the MPG should be the number of miles i went on the tank devided by the number of gallons it took to fill it back up. my recipt today:

224.2 Miles (down to about 1/8 a tank but fuel light not on)
11.265 Gallons of Sunoco 93 Octane.

224.2 Miles / 11.265 Gallons = 19.902 Mpg

and its always like that. always in the 19s i have to go home this weekend to get some stuff and i'll dig up some of my other recipts (theyre laying around somewhere) and show some other numbers if needed.

edit: tire pressure is kept at 32 all around, as the door sticker states.
Posted By: Tony2005 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 02:09 AM
Any CELs? Engine running smooth?
Posted By: Ray_dup1 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 02:10 AM
for one, You are creating a slightly false low by topping off twice.

In actuallity, you should:

Use the exact same pump every time (not always a viable option)


Basically, by topping off at all, and being at different pumps, that changes things. Each station, and each pump (for that matter) is triggered at different rates, so topping off at ONE pump twice may allow a quarter gallon in. Others, an 1/8th, or more than a 1/4.

Always fill the exact way (until it shuts off the first time, etc) By topping off the the "nearest dollar" or "twice" (as you do) you are adding more fuel than you ACTUALLY consumed. You then do the math and are dividing those miles by MORE fuel than you originally clicked off at.

Other than math, or topping off:

check your fuel filter... air filter (clean if open air, or replace if stock), plugs/wires, and MAF cleanliness.


Ray
Posted By: Tony2005 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 02:15 AM
One other thing. Calculate mileage based on this amount of gas from this fill to next fill. (not fill this time and calculate mileage from previous fill).
Posted By: Ray_dup1 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 02:18 AM
I think Tony is saying:

Empty your tank.. pump gas, and see that you got... 11.29 (example) gallons.

THEN drive until you decide to refill and look at mileage. Calculate using those figures.

Ray
but its not more fuel than i actually consumed if i do that every time. that way it always starts from the same point and when i was home, i did go to the same pump at the same station.

edit: how do you all calculate your MPG's?
Posted By: Tony2005 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 02:22 AM
Then maybe you need to,

"check your fuel filter... air filter (clean if open air, or replace if stock), plugs/wires, and MAF cleanliness."

Ray

Posted By: Ray_dup1 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 02:22 AM
But it isn't "always" starting from the same point. Different pumps, different stations, even different temperatures and humidity can cause the actual amount fueled when "topping off" to be more, or less than the time before it. not a drastic amount, but still there.

If the previous suggestions for maintenance don't help. I SERIOUSLY suggest a UIM/LIM teardown and cleaning. you can't mess it up with the HOW-To posted in the Duratec Maintenance FAQ. With more than 33K miles on your engine, you're likely getting pretty dirty. Restore stock horses, and increase your current mileage with this procedure.




Ray
Posted By: Pepse Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 08:03 AM
Okay, folks, my '95 Mystique with the 2.5, CD4E gets 25 MPG give or take 1/4 gallon. I almost always fill up at the same station. I fill it the same way every time. My driving from Mon. to Fri. is the same "to work and back", 30 miles round trip per day. Weekends I put on any where from 75 to 275 miles (I fill up on Fridays before work, mostly). Most of my driving is on a freeway @ 68 MPH. On 2 occasions I got 27 MPG. I usually fill up at around 1/4 tank. Tyre pressure is 44PSI per tyre manufaturer (Kelly Charger 205-50-15). I replaced the air filter shortly after I got this car in July. Actually runs crappier since then; Fram filter. The one I replaced was whatever CARX uses. Another bad thing I did after I replaced the filter was to put in a bottle of Gumout fuel injector cleaner. Since then I let the car idle for about 2 to 5 minutes in the morning, otherwise it acts like it is starving for fuel. Is 25 MPG normal for this type car, engine, trans?? And to say also, I got this type of mileage before the filter and Gumout situation. Car has 94700 miles.

Later. Pepse.
Posted By: Tony2005 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Pepse:
I replaced the air filter shortly after I got this car in July. Actually runs crappier since then; Fram filter.




Maybe the air filter or housing is not seated properly.
Also clean the MAF and IAC valve, and replace the fuel filter if it has not been replaced in the 12 months.

Edit. This thread might help.
http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=trouble&Number=1037329&page=3&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1
I only get 18mpg on average on mine. Then again I comute in bumper-bumper traffic almost every day. 19 sounds fine if your comute involves heavy traffic.
some things to think about:

is odometer accurate? changing tire size may change odometer accuracy.

wider, stickier hi performance tires will yield lesser gas milage than narrow, harder compound tires.

if your imrc is not working correctly, that can affect milage.

after that, there are a lot of things engine related that could affect things. clogged cats, bent exhaust pipes, spark plugs & wires, air filter, egr system, etc.

could be something mechanical:

maybe your brakes are binding up or you have bad wheel bearings.
everything is stock. except for a high flow drop in air filter that was added in june. tires are on the stock rims and are 215/50R16 BFG Traction TA's

and crap... i have no idea what all these abbreviations mean... someone needs a guide for newer people on here. I know UIM and LIM but the others in the last reply... i have no idea... like what is imrc?
Posted By: Tony2005 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 07:42 PM
Originally posted by guitarman19853:
i have no idea... like what is imrc?



Intake Manifold Runner Control. The rectangular box under the water pump cover (Duratec word on plastic). The IMRC, if broken will not let you run above 4 to 4.5 k rpms. I assume you know that cats mean catalytic converter (SVTs have 2 pre cats (Bank 1 firewall and Bank 2 radiator) and one main cat. In addition, EGR exhaust gas recirculation system.

Edit. Picture of EGR (UFO looking thing below Ray's finger).

http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=v6maint&Number=931756&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=186&fpart=1
Posted By: amcford Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/01/05 11:52 PM
My 98 2.5 5 speed gets a consistant 26.5 to 27 mpg in a mix of 80% stop & go & 20% highway driving. Strictly highway it might pull 29-30. If these cars had a real overdrive that would drop the rpm's to 2200 or so at 65 (instead of 2900 or so) I'm sure 35 mpg would be no problem. The engine has more that enough power to pull a taller overdrive.
Posted By: Ray_dup1 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/02/05 02:06 AM
To be accurate, that isn't my finger.

that picture was pulled fromt he original IAC removal faq.

Also, as for terms, and abbreviations:

we DO have a guide.

Linky

For the 0420, search on that term (P0420, or 0420) in troubleshooting for more than enough info.

Synopsis. Could be anything that causes your air:fuel mix to be off (enough to make the car think that the cat if failing) or the cat could be failing.

plugs/wires, fuel filter, fule pressure, air leaks, exhaust leaks, etc.


Start with a good cleaning of the air filter, fuel filter, and change your plugs(possibly your wires too) (most V6 users opt for autolite app764 double plats for consistant performance on the waste spark ignition system in the contour.)

Ray
Posted By: TravisN1 Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/02/05 03:38 PM
Originally posted by amcford:
My 98 2.5 5 speed gets a consistant 26.5 to 27 mpg in a mix of 80% stop & go & 20% highway driving. Strictly highway it might pull 29-30. If these cars had a real overdrive that would drop the rpm's to 2200 or so at 65 (instead of 2900 or so) I'm sure 35 mpg would be no problem. The engine has more that enough power to pull a taller overdrive.




My 96 2.5 MTX with 150,000 miles and bad cats (with CEL on) still gets 28 city and 30+ highway.
had 19-20 mpg for the longest. changed O2s, jumped to 24-25. lately it's been a bit lower, dunno why though
i get 22 .. but i drive my car hard.. I can live with it.. I want to do a UIM/LIM cleaning see if it helps
Posted By: Rishodi Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/02/05 05:09 PM
You are nitpicking about little things. Those type of things can indeed cause your calculations to be off by 1, maybe 2 mpg. But this is not the problem - 19 mpg is far, far too low for a CSVT.

I do agree with the UIM/LIM cleaning. Do it and see how much that helps - after, of course, checking the fuel filter.
Posted By: JyYyM Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/02/05 07:32 PM
I don't quite understand how a clogged fuel filter affects mileage, could anyone explain it to me?

Thanks!
well my car has 33,000 miles and the filter was still the original one. so i changed it this morning. i'll post weather this helped or not as soon as i can tell.
Posted By: Rishodi Re: 99 SVT only getting 19 Mpg consistantly - 09/04/05 06:33 PM
As Ray said earlier in this thread, it's because a clogged fuel filter will affect your air:fuel ratio, and anything that does that will negatively affect both engine performance and gas mileage. A clogged filter usually won't affect your gas mileage quite that much though, so my first guess would be a bad oxygen sensor, since that's pretty much the worst thing that can happen to your gas mileage. But in that case, there'd be a CEL to indicate the bad sensor, and since that's not the case... then who knows.
Changed the fuel filter about a week ago and went through the first tank of fuel. Considering that the tank was run 1/4 down with the old fuel filter (19 MPG) and the small (?) amount that was lost when changing it, I got 23 MPG on this last tank! Im only guessing that the next tank will be higher . I would've never thought that a fuel filter could make that much of a difference... Thanks for the suggestions, everyone!
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