No Futura in Ford's future

Well, there have been rumors of a Falcon return, but it's hard to believe that with the Futura coming out as well.

Now with the Futura not coming, that puts a little more stock in the return of the Falcon.

Originally posted by sigma:
Well, there have been rumors of a Falcon return, but it's hard to believe that with the Futura coming out as well.

Now with the Futura not coming, that puts a little more stock in the return of the Falcon.

Read it, the Futura is coming just not with the Futura name.

I did read it.

Now read what I said again. No one ever said that the Falcon and the Futura were/are different cars.

Pep Boys has the right to the name so they can't use it?!?!?

That's total BS. Might as well get Microsoft to sue over the Explorer name, and AOL over the Navigator name too!

EDIT: WTF is Pep Boys going to 'invent' that will use that name anyway?!?!?

How's that shoe taste, Kermit?

Originally posted by mavrock:
Pep Boys has the right to the name so they can't use it?!?!?

That's total BS. Might as well get Microsoft to sue over the Explorer name, and AOL over the Navigator name too!

EDIT: WTF is Pep Boys going to 'invent' that will use that name anyway?!?!?

Ford used "Explorer" as an options package on the F-series up until the early 80's, so they used it first there. Pep Boys uses Futura as a line of tires. Its all BS but thats corprate America. GM can't make a "Judge" option package for the new Goat because someone else owns it. The Nova had to be renamed for Mexico because in Spanish: No=no and Va=go. They wouldn't by the Chevy No-go, would you? I think there were restrictions on the Lincoln LS name as well. This stuff has happened alot, and will continue to happen.

I'd name it the Ford Car. I don't feel creative right now.

I see what you're saying...same reason Ford can't bring back the GT40 name, someone purchased the rights to it.

Still BS though.

I doubt that Falcon will be the name as it is Ford's sports car is Australia.

It's a mid-size sports sedan, so it fits the profile.

It's not built on the Mazda6 platform currently, as the 'Futura' was supposed to be, but maybe by '06 it will be.

JUst heard it is a modified "6" platform stretched for a longer wheelbase. We American's have to have BIG back seats?
Too damn much Oversized fast-food????

"C-D" ????

Paul

How about the Ford Fontour

Originally posted by Booger:

Ford used "Explorer" as an options package on the F-series up until the early 80's, so they used it first there. Pep Boys uses Futura as a line of tires. Its all BS but thats corprate America. GM can't make a "Judge" option package for the new Goat because someone else owns it. The Nova had to be renamed for Mexico because in Spanish: No=no and Va=go. They wouldn't by the Chevy No-go, would you? I think there were restrictions on the Lincoln LS name as well. This stuff has happened alot, and will continue to happen.

Well then you're just full of information aren't you.

Fontour sounds hot too, so original.

Ranger was also a equipment package on the F-series until 1983 when the small pick up version was introduced.

Yeah, I'm full of it, I'll admit that.

Fontour...LOL...Roger, you magnificent bastard YOU'RE A GENIUS!!!

I gotta say, you guys have been hilarious today, I've laughed a lot today!

Originally posted by sigma:
I did read it.

Now read what I said again. No one ever said that the Falcon and the Futura were/are different cars.

You understand the Falcon is made currently, as in right now, as in it is a different car than the Futura, in Australia. You understand how stupid ford would look naming a car that is completely different the same thing as something they already have in another country, something that has a reputation as a freakin sweeet car.
How's that shoe taste? LMAO.

Originally posted by sigma:
It's a mid-size sports sedan, so it fits the profile.

It's not built on the Mazda6 platform currently, as the 'Futura' was supposed to be, but maybe by '06 it will be.

FWD medium sized engine Vs. RWD big sized engine,,, yeah it fits the profile.

Originally posted by Kremithefrog:

Originally posted by sigma:
I did read it.

Now read what I said again. No one ever said that the Falcon and the Futura were/are different cars.

You understand the Falcon is made currently, as in right now, as in it is a different car than the Futura, in Australia. You understand how stupid ford would look naming a car that is completely different the same thing as something they already have in another country, something that has a reputation as a freakin sweeet car.
How's that shoe taste? LMAO.

Ford has had different cars in different countries at the same time with the same name for many years. One example is the Escort. The U.S. car was/is quite different from the Escort seen in the U.K.. Mercury Capri is another example just to name two. Shoe's back in your mouth, froggy.

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You understand the Falcon is made currently, as in right now, as in it is a different car than the Futura, in Australia. You understand how stupid ford would look naming a car that is completely different the same thing as something they already have in another country, something that has a reputation as a freakin sweeet car.
How's that shoe taste? LMAO.

I've lived in Oz, so I good damn well what a Falcon is.

And how do you know that the Falcon is a "different car than the Futura"? No one knows anything about the Futura aside from that it's based on the Mazda6 platform. It could end up being RWD (the platform supports it), we do know that SVT is planning an AWD version. Or it could be an FWD version (because it's cheaper) that looks very similar to the Falcon in Oz.

And you do know that the Falcon and Futura used to be one in the same don't you? Back in the early '60s it was called the "Ford Falcon Futura". It would make perfect sense for them to remain the same car -- Falcon in Oz, Futura (not anymore) in the US.

Or, as the above posted noted, they could end up being two relatively different cars that happen to share the same name. Ford foes that a lot. Look at the new Focus. In Europe it's got a different body, different engines, and built on a totally different platform than the Focus here. They're hardly even the same cars.

I vote for "Fuego" or Fire in spanish.

Originally posted by Sarge43:
I vote for "Fuego" or Fire in spanish.

Sorry, they can't do that either. Renault brought a car over here in the early to mid 80's called the Fuego. It was a turbocharged RWD smaller car, along the lines of the Merkur XR4Ti I guess you could say.

Theres alot of "foot in mouth" going on, especially about the Escort for instance. I wonder what the "Taurus replacement" is actually going to be called though

Originally posted by sigma:

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You understand the Falcon is made currently, as in right now, as in it is a different car than the Futura, in Australia. You understand how stupid ford would look naming a car that is completely different the same thing as something they already have in another country, something that has a reputation as a freakin sweeet car.
How's that shoe taste? LMAO.

I've lived in Oz, so I good damn well what a Falcon is.

And how do you know that the Falcon is a "different car than the Futura"? No one knows anything about the Futura aside from that it's based on the Mazda6 platform. It could end up being RWD (the platform supports it), we do know that SVT is planning an AWD version. Or it could be an FWD version (because it's cheaper) that looks very similar to the Falcon in Oz.

And you do know that the Falcon and Futura used to be one in the same don't you? Back in the early '60s it was called the "Ford Falcon Futura". It would make perfect sense for them to remain the same car -- Falcon in Oz, Futura (not anymore) in the US.

Or, as the above posted noted, they could end up being two relatively different cars that happen to share the same name. Ford foes that a lot. Look at the new Focus. In Europe it's got a different body, different engines, and built on a totally different platform than the Focus here. They're hardly even the same cars.

Being realistic, you know it's gonna be FWD (atleast the most common version). Don't bring up anything from the 60s, that was 40 years ago, and a lotta names were shared,etc. but doesn't really apply now.
Yeah, they have cars built differently in Europe with same name as here. Like the focus, but you have to realize the focus was the same basic platform in the US and Europe for a long time, and just recently changed in Europe.
Not sure what the Escort is like over there, but even if it's a different car, I bet it's still has a sorta small engine with FWD.
The Falcon and "Futura" are two completely different cars, built completely differently and having the same name on them would be crazy. But for some reason you believe they are very alike.

I'd be willing to bet Ford agrees with me and isn't gonna put the Falcon name on the Futura,, but you can dream all you want. I guess you just want to see the Falcon name over here and you could care less about getting the performance of the real Falcon.

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I guess you just want to see the Falcon name over here and you could care less about getting the performance of the real Falcon.

On the contrary, I'd love to see a Falcon here. But I know we'll never see both a "Futura" and a Falcon here at the same time, if we'll ever see a Falcon at all.

A Falcon, as it is currently in Oz, would do 2 things to Ford that they wouldn't want:

1> Spread their already diminishing car market over a larger line, creating less profit potential.

2> More importantly, a powerful RWD car would cannabalize Mustang sales. And Ford would not even think of that.

The solution -- Create a FWD Falcon utilizing mainly 3L Duratecs. You get a car that has a superb reputation, meets all the requirements Ford set out to do, doesn't adversely affect any of Ford's current offerings, and could be built on a modified Mazda6 platform very easily.

It would not be at all unthinkable for Ford to offer FWD and AWD (SVT) versions of the Falcon here in the US and RWD versions in Oz. They cover all their bases, and get maximum use of the name and the platform.

"Creat a FWD Falcon.."

With what $$$, and they already have the 500 and CD338 (former Futura) coming.

They're talking about putting the Falcon name on the car that was formerly the Futura--to be built on the Mazda 6 platform (so expect FWD).

Hey, who remembers the Ford Fairmont? That wouldn't be a half bad name. Its kinda wimpy, but at least it starts with and "F".

I see what you're saying but I don't think Ford will do it, which is a good thing. I don't believe the Futura is gonna be built in any way close to be like the current Falcon and seeing that name on the "Futura" will turn off some Ford enthusiasts. The rest of the crowd cares less about performance (soccer moms,etc.) so Ford would be disservicing its self. They should just come up with a new name to go with this new car. Kinda like how they came up with Contour when they could have just used mondeo. Not sure why they didn't, maybe because the mondeo has so many more options available (AWD being one) and thus isn't exactly the same car. Maybe they just had the Contour name laying around and needed something to throw it on.

We would be "Tempo E. G." if FOrd had kept the name the same. The CDW27 was called "1995 Tempo project" for a while.

If the car does infact look like a smaller version of the "500", why not call it the "400" F-our hundred, keeping with the "F" word

Seems like number cars have been around for awhile and with current makes like BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, etc, why not Ford

Chrysler 300C... alot of car companys are into it. Speaking of that, I drove one of those 300C Hemi yesterday... I think I've found my next car! That thing is a work of art, performance, and style. And at only 34G's with ALL options... you get bentley looks, with Kia pricing.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but the "400 F" struck my memory of yesterday.

Ford's Fantasia,
If it comes close to the Contique's as a drivers car- Ford Finesse, If the bean counters destroy it like the Contique's - Ford Farce, and If someone has enough common sense and allows a Common Rail Diesel option The Ford Frugal.
American's are missing the boat without a Diesel option. But then too many Americans are clueless about the new technology (much more viable that Band-Aid Hybrids) (a laptop sized Nimh battery pack Jeeze).
The technology is there and the EPA (alias Gestapo) is not allowing diesel cars.????? At least not Visteon, ie: the new 2.7L diesel Jag option, system controls, electronics and development is Delphi's???? Specs 206 Hp, 360 ft-lb. @1800 and 40.3 mpg overall and at steady state interstate 47.3 mpg. Everyday I run into new technology that would beclean enough to satisfy most Americans, but not the EPA?? Ie 2007 regs update. Someone besides our government is controlling the EPA? Just some food for thought folks. This is a great country and I'd like to see it stay that way for our grand children.
Paul

I like your ideas! Well spoken.

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At least not Visteon, ie: the new 2.7L diesel Jag option, system controls, electronics and development is Delphi's???? Specs 206 Hp, 360 ft-lb. @1800 and 40.3 mpg overall and at steady state interstate 47.3 mpg. Everyday I run into new technology that would beclean enough to satisfy most Americans, but not the EPA?? Ie 2007 regs update. Someone besides our government is controlling the EPA?

Just because something gets 47.3 MPG doesn't mean it's any better than Unleaded Gasoline.

"Better" on your pocketbook -- yeah. But not better on the environment.

Diesel, by it's very nature, burns very very poorly. It's gotten better, but the EPA continues to outpace its' developments with new regulations.

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Just some food for thought folks. This is a great country and I'd like to see it stay that way for our grand children.

I think that's the EPA's main concern....

Your grandchildrens 'right' to live in a world where they walk outside without getting acid rain on their heads is probably a little more important than their 'right' to buy cheap fuel.

Originally posted by LilRedRocket:
Chrysler 300C... alot of car companys are into it. Speaking of that, I drove one of those 300C Hemi yesterday... I think I've found my next car! That thing is a work of art, performance, and style. And at only 34G's with ALL options... you get bentley looks, with Kia pricing. Sorry to hijack the thread, but the "400 F" struck my memory of yesterday.

Its actually closer to $40K w/ the Hemi and with AWD (available later this fall) it will cost in the mid $40's, but still, what would you rather have for that money, a Lincoln LS w/ its 3.9L V8 and 280 hp or a 5.7L Hemi V8 w/ 340 hp...YEAH, ME TOO

Also, did you see the 1/4 mile numbers for that car, 14.2 at 98 mph...WOW! and thats with a 2.82 final drive

Originally posted by The Striped SVT:

Its actually closer to $40K w/ the Hemi

Starting 32k with Hemi.

Yeah, but it looks like a friggin' lowered Hummer.

Need to check into the Common rail technology. GM owes the U.S. a get aware campaign after that disaster in the late 70's.
Had a lawyer response to me a few days ago, that he read in the Wall Street Journal about the head of California CARB had embraced the Common Rail diesel. Maybe hope.

Originally posted by sigma:
Yeah, but it looks like a friggin' lowered Hummer.

It's friggin tight looking. I went to Lochmoor Chrylser dealership and they priced the 300C Hemi with every availble option (non awd... not availble yet, like you said), with tax was $36,928. and some change. Too bad they aren't leasing... cause a $910/ month payment($4000 cash down, $1000 rebate, $500 loyalty, and A tier credit, mind you) for a chrysler just doesn't seem right.

They still look bad a$$, though. I'd rock one over a Bentley (strange to say that, it seems.

)

i saw one on the road today in our little town. i was like HEY!

Originally posted by sigma:
Yeah, but it looks like a friggin' lowered Hummer.

But even better...
Anybody else see the 300C drifting video that was posted. Gotta love power.

I'm definately not a fan of the styling of the 300c, it's too darn ugly. But for those of you who do, I hope you caught the test drive that aired on SPEED tonight.

Ironic how I'm discussing the 300C in my 300th post

Frightening how I amaze myself with this silly a$$ crap

Originally posted by Bullet:

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General Motors Corp. had to scrap the name LaCrosse for a new sports car last year after discovering the name also was teen-agers�?? slang for masturbation in French-speaking Quebec.

Damn teenagers.

Its not the teenagers...

Damn Quebecois