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Posted By: BMorgn66 Thinking about getting a Subaru WRX STI...? - 02/16/04 03:48 AM
I am thinking about selling the contour and buying a WRX and more importantly the STI version. I was wondering if anyone had the chance to drive one, or if anyone had any thoughts on the subject. one review stated that it had a 0-60 time of 4.7 seconds...True ?

Bryan
Nice car.
Great performance.
So so looks though it has gotten a little better.
Spartan interior.
The price is fairly high as well.


I'd go with an EVO if you want an AWD pocket rocket. Also skip the ricer wing and save over a grand too.
Actually a well optioned (or deleted for that matter) EVO is by far the better bang for the buck.
I drove one that was lightly modifed (17.5 # boost vs. 14.5 stock, 4" exhaust and downpipe). They are damn fast, but to get that 4.7 0-60 you are launching at about 4k rpm. The car has short gears, so you are shifting often, but it pulls really, really hard.

I was seriously debating getting one, but its a bit too "young" for me I think, and I needed a more comfortable riding daily driver. I also didnt like the giant wing, and the pink sti badges all over the car..the ride is also a bit stiff -- you will feel every bump in the road, but with that comes awesome, stomach turning handling.

I traded in my svt saturday for a subaru baja turbo. This has the same 2.5 block as the STi, but with a smaller turbo and 11.6 pounds of boost. There are some minor other differences, intake and exhaust side, but it and the forester XT are rated 210hp/236 lb/tq, and by all accounts (including my seat of the pants feel) they are seriously underated. Just in case you are looking for other options. The manual XT forester runs a 13.7 @ 97 mph quater mile, with a 5.3 second 0-60. The baja is a bit heavier, I dont know what it would run, maybe a mid-low 14? I will probably find out soon
Doesn't a stock EVO run at 19psi,, so if you're into modding,, possibly less room for turning up boost as compared to a sti?
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Doesn't a stock EVO run at 19psi,, so if you're into modding,, possibly less room for turning up boost as compared to a sti?




It does, but I think you can actually go about 25 psi on the stock turbos, and I have seen ones with aftermarket turbos running 31! psi. The STi I have seen people running up to 25 psi with aftermarket turbo. Thats just from reading boards and talking to some owners, so its possible either could do more. You cant do that high without proper fuel and ECU support on either car also.
I believe it's same turbo in both cars as well,, also same in srt4,, i think,,, so just different engines limited pressure... though I could be thinking bout regular wrx and srt4 having same turbo,, not sure,, either way, they're all mitsubishi turbos.
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Nice car.
Great performance.
So so looks though it has gotten a little better.
Spartan interior.
The price is fairly high as well.


I'd go with an EVO if you want an AWD pocket rocket. Also skip the ricer wing and save over a grand too.
Actually a well optioned (or deleted for that matter) EVO is by far the better bang for the buck.


Was thinking the same thing.....I'd rather have the EVO.
Heck, id take 1 of em. oh yea money thats right!
Darn!!!
Think if i had money, id rather invest it into an SVT
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Think if i had money, id rather invest it into an SVT





Now when you say SVT, you mean 04 Cobra, right?
On a side note, my dream was an 00 WRX until some idiot with a stock WRX showed me how slow they are. Guess I'll have to get an STI.
Why not invest in all the SVT's?
my dream!!


Well i can keep on dreamin'
Theres the SVT Contour, SVT Cobra, SVT Lighting, SVT Focus (Why not) I wouldnt mind them in my driveway
My bros already got 2
Lucky...
hes been working his @ss off. got 2 jobs.
bar tender, and works as an auto tech at ford, and has
a kid and a wife 2 take of. I dont know how he does it!
Wow, and I have no job, Contour GL, maybe my problem is not having a job
heck, I work at a chicken far,lol.
i make $5.00 for every 165 chickens
I ship out. not muck at all.
Maybe after I get my A+ Certification, might be able to make some money off that and get a better Contour
Though I got this contour by mowing lawns with a lawn tractor, and it just so happened to be (my big mouth) said the contour was nicer than their Civic as they opened the door, or else id probaly still be lookin into an Escort
hopefully i would love to see it.
Pretty good contour, i was told the headgasket was bad (it overheated over a long period of time of the car running, I think the problem was the wiring harness the whole damn time....) Which is why I only paid $300 for it
Better idea ....save an @ss load of money
and buy an M3!
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Nice car.
Great performance.
So so looks though it has gotten a little better.
Spartan interior.
The price is fairly high as well.


I'd go with an EVO if you want an AWD pocket rocket. Also skip the ricer wing and save over a grand too.
Actually a well optioned (or deleted for that matter) EVO is by far the better bang for the buck.




You can get the EVO RS model. No wing and a few other things are eliminated. You also get a better diff I can't remember which one it is though off hand. It's in the newest edition of SCC, the right up on the RS model. You can get it pretty stripped down if you want. I myself would take the EVO over the STI also.
Originally posted by Thinkmoto:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Nice car.
Great performance.
So so looks though it has gotten a little better.
Spartan interior.
The price is fairly high as well.


I'd go with an EVO if you want an AWD pocket rocket. Also skip the ricer wing and save over a grand too.
Actually a well optioned (or deleted for that matter) EVO is by far the better bang for the buck.




You can get the EVO RS model. No wing and a few other things are eliminated. You also get a better diff I can't remember which one it is though off hand. It's in the newest edition of SCC, the right up on the RS model. You can get it pretty stripped down if you want. I myself would take the EVO over the STI also.



Is there a hp difference with the RS?
Originally posted by BaBySHO:
Originally posted by Thinkmoto:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Nice car.
Great performance.
So so looks though it has gotten a little better.
Spartan interior.
The price is fairly high as well.


I'd go with an EVO if you want an AWD pocket rocket. Also skip the ricer wing and save over a grand too.
Actually a well optioned (or deleted for that matter) EVO is by far the better bang for the buck.




You can get the EVO RS model. No wing and a few other things are eliminated. You also get a better diff I can't remember which one it is though off hand. It's in the newest edition of SCC, the right up on the RS model. You can get it pretty stripped down if you want. I myself would take the EVO over the STI also.



Is there a hp difference with the RS?



No it's just stripped down, and still as ugly as the other EVOs.




I like the standard Redline light and buzzer with center mounted tach... I wish I had 31K to blow..
I like the WRX STi, but I would wait till 2005 till the new Legacy comes out (this spring). It's going to be equipped with the WRX engine.

Info and pics of the 2005 Legacy. It is a sweet looking car.

http://www.need-desire.com/main.html
Posted By: DemonSVT_dup1 New Legacy - 02/16/04 06:07 PM
Originally posted by TommySVT:
I like the WRX STi, but I would wait till 2005 till the new Legacy comes out (this spring). It's going to be equipped with the WRX engine.

Info and pics of the 2005 Legacy. It is a sweet looking car.

http://www.need-desire.com/main.html



As long as it does not have the WRX tranny it sounds like a great car.

I would not touch a WRX with a stick because of the weak tranny it has.

(edit - They "specifically" state it has a new re-enforced tranny - ABOUT DAMN TIME! I'd still wait one model year to get one though)

I also think the new Legacy is very sharp looking.
"Projected" 250HP/250TQ out of the box.
It also looks larger then any previous Subaru and maybe? in wagon form it is just the car we're looking for for a family cruiser. (fair sized 4 door estate with some power, traction, and reliability)
Posted By: TheRock249 Re: New Legacy - 02/16/04 06:27 PM
I would pick the STi over the evo. The STi has a six-speed, as opposed to the evo's 5, right?

If money wasn't important, i would definitely get a lightning, but thats a lot of money including its gas mileage.
Originally posted by TommySVT:
I like the WRX STi, but I would wait till 2005 till the new Legacy comes out (this spring). It's going to be equipped with the WRX engine.







Me too!
Originally posted by GoSox:




I like the standard Redline light and buzzer with center mounted tach... I wish I had 31K to blow..




around here, they're going for $38K+
Posted By: DemonSVT_dup1 Gear Envy - 02/16/04 08:05 PM
Originally posted by AlbanianSteve:
I would pick the STi over the evo. The STi has a six-speed, as opposed to the evo's 5, right?



That is a completely absurb reason for choosing a car... 6 gears verses 5.
I looked very hard at the STi before purchasing my Evo, so I have some perspective on the car:

1. Very nice interior. Seats are marvelous, but the back seat is very tight, much less room than even the Contour. To some this isn't an issue, but my family of four (including two hulking teenagers) could not fit in the STi's back seat when the front was adjusted for proper driving position. This was a big consideration in my decision to go with the Evo
2. Blistering straight line performance -- you can believe those quarter mile and 0-60 numbers published -- but please note that is a rally car and not a drag racer. Those that forget this end up buying new clutches and transmissions. The Evo and STi boards are rife with people burning out their clutches and being denied warranty claims.
3. All wheel drive is wonderful. You feel very secure in high speed turns with the the practically race compound Bridgestones. The auto mags give the nod to the Evo in direct comparisons with respect to handling. The Evo is more composed than the STi at the absolute limits of cornering, or so they say. To me, the Evo is scary fast in the turns, and I suspect the STi will be the same way.
4. The STi's looks are somewhat juvenile, with that enormous hood scoop on the front and the ironing board wing on the back. The Evo isn't much better, though. Both cars epitomize "rice". At speed, the aluminum hood vibrates and the wing flops up and down, too. This high profile car attracts the attention of kids in hopped up Civics that want to race you, law enforcement personnel who seem to automatically add 20 MPH to your speed, and blank stares from non-automotive enthusiasts. The usual question from the great unwashed is "what a stupid-looking car" and "why didn't you buy a BMW?"
5. These are relatively expensive cars to maintain. They require synthetic oil changes, have very soft tires that may only last 10,000 miles, and have brake pads that wear quickly.
6. Subaru dealers and service departments are generally (a gross generalization, I know) well thought of, all things considered. Test driving an STi might be a bit of a challenge, as will getting any kind of discount from list price.
7. The STi of course doesn't come with a stock audio system, supposedly to save a bit of weight. Oh, puh-lease. STi owners have remarked that finding aftermarket equipment to fit the speaker cutouts is limited.
8. The ride is very firm, bordering on the stiff. Not quite bone-jarring, but close. The SVT Contour feels like a Lincoln Town Car compared to the STi. A "floating on air" ride it is not.

Compared to a Contour, even an SVT, the STi is like going from the rookie leagues to the majors. Both are sports sedans, but with very different executions of the concept. The STi has preformance that borders on the super car category, and at about $32, it is an automotive bargain. If you don't mind the ricey looks and the cramped back seat, it is an awesome automobile that anybody who knows about cars can respect.

Lee K
98 SVT, silver
03 Evo, red
I've liked the STi ever since the first pics hit the web. I saw my first one in real life a few weeks ago and I'm in love. I talked with the owner for awhile, he said he chose it over the Evo because he does alot of highway driving and liked the STi better. I've seen Evo's in person, and I hate the styling. they absolutely killed the front end of that car. They are both speed demons, I just prefer the scooby.
From what I've seen on the track, the Evo seems to be better balanced than the STI out of the box. The STI "looks" a little top heavy and leans a bit much. The Evo seems to perform a little better in the handling department. If you want to get into AutoX & road racing events, you might have more fun with the Evo.

If you want the hp advantage, obviously get the STI. No replacement for displacement, even with turbo. Otherwise, if its going to be your daily driver, get the WRX and be happy with it.
Originally posted by Lee K:

2. Blistering straight line performance -- you can believe those quarter mile and 0-60 numbers published -- but please note that is a rally car and not a drag racer. Those that forget this end up buying new clutches and transmissions. The Evo and STi boards are rife with people burning out their clutches and being denied warranty claims.




Please pay attention to this comment.
If I were interested in either of these car's I think I'd get the EVO. I like the looks far better. Both of them would have way more handling and performace than I could ever use on the street anyways (I'd have to start participating in serious track events if I acually wanted to drive one of those cars like it's meant to be driven! )

New legacy looks sharp also.
Originally posted by topgunz_1:
I've seen Evo's in person, and I hate the styling. they absolutely killed the front end of that car. They are both speed demons, I just prefer the scooby.




To each his own.

I, of course, respectfully disagree:



Lee K
98 SVT Contour, silver
03 Evo, red
Originally posted by Lee K:
Originally posted by topgunz_1:
I've seen Evo's in person, and I hate the styling. they absolutely killed the front end of that car. They are both speed demons, I just prefer the scooby.




To each his own.

I, of course, respectfully disagree:



Lee K
98 SVT Contour, silver
03 Evo, red




Side effects of owning that car are: Constant vomiting! Thats the worst design in the world! Then again, thats coming out of a loyal Contour owner...
i for one tend to think that the whole front half of the evo is one of the best looking front ends out there, between that and the srt4....my opinion...beautifully designed.....

the legacy looks friggin sweet, but lets look at it this way....if they are gonna charge ~35k for the STI....who is to say that the legacy wont be closer to ~40k.....

wouldnt surprise me at all....
Who cares if the front end is ugly or not.......all you are going to see is the back end anyway!
Originally posted by LoCoZ:
Who cares if the front end is ugly or not.......all you are going to see is the back end anyway!


I like the front of the evo, only thing i would change about it is to give it a larger intercooler to completely fill that void. Other than that, i like it.
This post belongs in the "Common Interests" section, not here.
Originally posted by LoCoZ:
Who cares if the front end is ugly or not.......all you are going to see is the back end anyway!



Well if you're looking to own one of these cars, shouldn't you be seeing the inside??? I don't like the evo's interior, and exterior obviously is ugly as crap,, though it's fast,, but damn it's ugly,, now the STi isn't great looking, but atleast it isn't, as another member sorta put it, kin to an aztek. I'd take the STi, turn the boost up by like 1psi and then be as fast as an EVO and look 1000 times better.
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