Chevy Cavalier replacement

im sure the tour still owns it

Originally posted by Obsidian:
i'm likin the coupe. The sedan isn't appealing to me

IMO the sedan is a whole lot more appealing than the current Cav four-door (currently one of the few vehicles I actually prefer the coupe over the sedan). The overall design is much improved over the current Cavalier.

i don't like the name but it looks different

an 18" wheel option...nice

I hope it is of higher build quality than the Cav. My wife has owned two of them, both POS! Clutch, A/C, etc. all seem to die at about 38,000K, However, they are cheap.

Everything about the car looks to be better than the "new" Focus we're getting. The interior is better, the styling looks more well thought out (although derivative of the Cavalier in some ways) and the engine options are nice. I'm willing to bet the price on these will make the "new" Foci look like a rediculous waste of money.

140hp 2.2L Ecotec vs. 130hp 2.0L Zetec
170hp 2.4L Ecotec vs. 150hp 2.3L Duratec
200hp 2.0L Supercharged Ecotec vs... um... hello?

Not bad at all and keep in mind te torque numbers on the ecotec engines are all identical or higher than thier hp numbers. When they come out I'll have to test drive one and see how the handling is.

Hmmmm......I guess I will have to make a decision after I see them in person at the Autoshow (in about a week or so).
Although I must admit I have never been a huge bow tie fan.

Well, awhile back I ranted about how there are no cars (USA nameplate) that are worth buying these days... then along comes this. I will pay a visit to a dealership when they arrive. Maybe KC will have one in their autoshow in February too!

I wonder if Pontiac will get a Sunfire replacement?? I'd really like to see what they do with it.

My Tour will need replacing about that time too.... But I don't think I'll trade her in, she's not worth the pittance they'd give me. Easier to keep her and have a spare car when needed.

I like the Coupe as well, it has a very different design than what's out there now. Especially the 4 door Cavalier it replaces.

Let's all hope!

What a peice of trash, looks now like one of them Jap cars, out of my years of makin fun of cavaliers, i say a cavalier looks alittle better than that! And its known that GM sucks at most their cars, so pretty sure that thing will suck too

To each his own. I don't think Cavaliers are all that great either. Hopefully GM has learned a lesson from Honda, Nissian, hell even Hyuandai (spelling?).

Originally posted by KevContour:
What a peice of trash, looks now like one of them Jap cars, out of my years of makin fun of cavaliers, i say a cavalier looks alittle better than that! And its known that GM sucks at most their cars, so pretty sure that thing will suck too

Congratulations...after reading yur post i an nw dummr then i wuz juzt a fw mintues ago....

Looks good, both interior and exterior. Will be in the list of cars I will investigate for my next car.

Originally posted by KevContour:
What a peice of trash, looks now like one of them Jap cars

Um... yeah... I love hillbilly talk!

You think the Cavalier looks good?

That's like me saying the Focus looks nice

I think you should maybe not ever talk again...

Originally posted by Nate'sTour:

I wonder if Pontiac will get a Sunfire replacement?? I'd really like to see what they do with it.

Now that pontiac is dropping the washboard siding and finned spoilers I couldn't agree more. I'd love to see a more aggressive version of the Cobalt. The SS version should be nice to see.

GM seems to be making some pretty interesting descisions recently, I've heard the name Camaro pop up alot recently... I have owned two Fords now, but I'd love to see GM make my next choice a hard one

In the end we'll all benefit.

Originally posted by Honkeytonk Monkey:

Originally posted by Nate'sTour:

I wonder if Pontiac will get a Sunfire replacement?? I'd really like to see what they do with it.

In the end we'll all benefit.

I couldn't agree more. I've been surfing and so far nothing on Pontiac getting it. With their Vibe they might opt out, but I think that would be the worst idea ever. They may wait a year then decide to make a Pontiac version.

What would they call it?
Sunburn
Sunspot
Sunshade
Sunbeam...

that's a whole different post..

Most import cars I have drivin always had the "Service Engine Soon" or the CEL, therefore I stay away from them. GM is not my favorite, but I just think my Contour is still nicer. And I will stay with that contour. Also the Focus is a nice car, I would buy one, but I dont have enough money for one.

I just read a blurb about this today in USA Today I think it was. Cobalt is based on the Opel Astra and will at the very least have the European suspension, so ride and handling should be pretty decent I'd think. Otherwise, I think this looks a tad better than the Cav does, though still a bit odd.

Originally posted by Honkeytonk Monkey:

Originally posted by KevContour:
What a peice of trash, looks now like one of them Jap cars

Um... yeah... I love hillbilly talk!

You think the Cavalier looks good? That's like me saying the Focus looks nice

I think you should maybe not ever talk again...

Then again, I am a ford person, so comparing cars, if it is not a ford, I probaly consider it garbage :P

FORD NAZI!!!

j/k

Originally posted by NorMich99SE:
I just read a blurb about this today in USA Today I think it was. Cobalt is based on the Opel Astra and will at the very least have the European suspension, so ride and handling should be pretty decent I'd think. Otherwise, I think this looks a tad better than the Cav does, though still a bit odd.

Not to start a heated debate, but the Saturn L Series (as was the Catera) is based on an Opel.....and we all know how that turned out.

Originally posted by 2&1/2:

Originally posted by NorMich99SE:
I just read a blurb about this today in USA Today I think it was. Cobalt is based on the Opel Astra and will at the very least have the European suspension, so ride and handling should be pretty decent I'd think. Otherwise, I think this looks a tad better than the Cav does, though still a bit odd.

Not to start a heated debate, but the Saturn L Series (as was the Catera) is based on an Opel.....and we all know how that turned out.

How is the L Series saturn have anything to do with the opel? care to explain this to me? I know the catera is part of opel? but saturn?

EDIT - oop's yeup guess you were right, OPEL VECTRA.. my bad

And who care's if its a GM, cavaliers are not that bad of a car. (I only say this because I own one, and yes the interior is cheap) ha ha ha and for this new cobalt, to me it looks suprisingly good, and ford has nothing to stack up with it.

GM is racking 10 new cars within the next 20 months, ford only has what, the mustang, and futura. wow... they still make that damn crappy taurus that someone needs to kill.

Ford is on the bottom of the list from the big 3 right now, and im sure chrysler, and GM is rackin the big bucks. all ford has is a bunch of ogor engineers who don't know how to listen to the people, espeically the younger generations...

Just me .2 Cents.. and honestly I do like ford.. its just right now, there not doing so well. cept for the new mustang when it comes out.

The car is built on the Delta platform. Which Opel may use themselves, I don't know.

It shares it's architecture with the Saturn Ion (A car in need of a redesign in my opinion).

This car is supposed to be GM's premium small car at least in that size. It's designed to vie with Honda & Toyota. Considering that the current Cavalier is nowhere near Honda or Toyota or even Hyuandai in terms of refinement, powertrain finesse, styling, materials, etc.., I hope GM has learned some lessons and applied them to this car.

I will be in the market for a new car roughly about the time this car appears (Fall 2004 for the intro, SS probably next spring) so I'll pay close attention to it.

Considering that Ford is making a big mistake with their Focus (for the US market, Europe gets an all new design, while we get a "re-designed" Focus) which in most peoples opinion, on this site, is rather dull, the new Cobalt might just fare okay.

I can't wait to see one in person.

Originally posted by KevContour:
Most import cars I have drivin always had the "Service Engine Soon" or the CEL, therefore I stay away from them. GM is not my favorite, but I just think my Contour is still nicer. And I will stay with that contour. Also the Focus is a nice car, I would buy one, but I dont have enough money for one.

I've got a 2000 Focus in classified for sale if you are interested.

Originally posted by TexasRealtor:

Originally posted by KevContour:
Most import cars I have drivin always had the "Service Engine Soon" or the CEL, therefore I stay away from them. GM is not my favorite, but I just think my Contour is still nicer. And I will stay with that contour. Also the Focus is a nice car, I would buy one, but I dont have enough money for one.

I've got a 2000 Focus in classified for sale if you are interested.

Originally posted by Mad_Medeiros:

GM is racking 10 new cars within the next 20 months, ford only has what, the mustang, and futura. wow... they still make that damn crappy taurus that someone needs to kill.

Now hold on, what is so bad about Taurus? Those are nice and roomy, and have lots of nice features, I would love a Taurus, but that goes out of my price range. Their older ones I dont care for. But I will say ford made a mistake by removing the Escort line, and the Contours....

The Taurus may seem nice and roomy, and all that; when you compare it to a Contour. However, when you compare it to V6 Camrys and Accords, the new Impala, and other vehicles, it doesn't seem as good as it looks when compared to a Contour. You see, not only is a Taurus not an overly reliable vehicle, but it's not the biggest in it's class, not the most powerful, and doesn't have the best fuel economy. It isn't the quietest or the best stopper from 70 mph. Not to mention it costs too much.

It also lacks the slickness and available ammenities that the other cars in it's class have. It has not been really redesigned since 96. The other cars in it's class are fairly new, thus they are more refined, they offer more features, and they have a better reputation. Maybe with the death of the Taurus, and the birth of the Futura, FORD will get it right for once, and build a car that not only competes with Camrys, Accords, and Impalas, but is better in some way than the competition.

The back end of the Cobalt almost looks like Chevy is "stealing" some style from the Cougar.

Originally posted by red99sesport:
It isn't the quietest or the best stopper from 70 mph. Not to mention it costs too much.

I dunno, Taurus sounded very damn quiet in Drivers Ed (Im so young...) and that was only a 2003. Felt reliable, and had all nice built in features such as How many miles you can go before the engine runs out of gas (Sure most have it nowadays) to me it felt nice and powerful. Brakes were alright too.

A Taurus may have seemed ok in driver's ed, heck a 1992 Grand Am SE seemed ok to me in driver's ed, but it was nothing compared to my Lebaron Convertible. My point is, when your young, and havent driven a lot of different vehicles, almost anything seems nice, you don't have much to compare a Taurus to. Trust me. You went from driving a newer Taurus in Driver's Ed, to an older contour. Of course a Taurus seems nice, it's a better model, and it's newer. If you went from the Taurus you drove in driver's Ed to say a new mustang convertible, or a 1997 lincoln Mark VII for instance, you'd not think so much of the Taurus. I didn't think so much of my lebaron convertible after I drove a new mustang convertible. I'm not dissing you for liking a Taurus, to each his own. However, you should see that you don't really have a lot to compare the Taurus to, and those of us who do, don't think so highly of it. When you've driven the competition, and other things, trust me, a Taurus won't seem so quiet, so powerful, or so quick to stop.

Quote:

Felt reliable

ROTFLMAO, that is great. "It feels like it will last..." I don't know how something can "feel reliable", but ok.

Originally posted by rob:
The back end of the Cobalt almost looks like Chevy is "stealing" some style from the Cougar.

Here's another website with a different real angle. It's more swept than the Chevy site shows.

Linky II

But it does have Cougar tastes to it. But remember, it's on the same platform as the Ion, so I can't be a large as a Cougar. I wonder if it's Acura RSX sized....

When they had my Tour in the shop for a month doing the wiring harness recall I had a fully loaded Taurus loaner.

Loved it! Not the best, not the worst.
Not the fastest, not the slowest
Better interiors, but not the worst.

I felt it was a solid all around car.

Actually i have driving a lot of vechiles, I could go on and on

(but i wont.) and the nicest GM Car i have drivin was a Buick Park Avenue. The chevy does not have what I look for in a car, Chevy hasnt made a car that appeals to me yet... thats all.

Originally posted by Nate'sTour:

Here's another website with a different real angle. It's more swept than the Chevy site shows.

Linky II

But it does have Cougar tastes to it. But remember, it's on the same platform as the Ion, so I can't be a large as a Cougar. I wonder if it's Acura RSX sized....

Yeah, I can see it a little better with that pic and the back end doesn't look as "Cougarish" as I thought...a little, still, but maybe with some styling from the RSX. From the B-pillar back to the trunk lid. The front half still looks like a new Cavalier. I'm still not REALLY impressed with it overall. Maybe something a bit more "dramatic" throughout. Although I didn't see pics of the interior yet.

The Taurus is low-tech when it comes to ammenities, we have the '02 SEL wagon with all the goodies Ford has to offer. The leather on the seat seems to be lower grade, the Mach radio system and the auto climate control have both had problems. Both father and father in-law have Impala and Camry, respectivley, have nicer, better working stuff. I am not a Ford customer as much as I am a McRee Ford Dealer customer. They are minutes from our house, free loaner car for service, very good service department, excellent customer service, and the sales guy there is very nice to work with. If Ford does not come up with a product I will be willing to buy in the next couple of years or so, I will be looking at other products over the convenience of the local Ford dealer perks.

Holy [censored]!!!

"The up-level 2.4-liter version will produce 170 hp and 230 pounds-feet of torque."

230 POUNDS?
no offence but that cobalt is defintly gonna haul ass compared to most contours on here. the power to weight ratio.. is gonna seriously kick ass!

Nice to see them with some new, exciting products. That Cobalt looks like its going to have alot going for it, S/C'd engine, 6 speed, suspension upgrades and 15-18" wheel options, nice

Also the new Pontiac G6 with its 6 speed MTX and 3.9L w/ 250-260 hp is going to something else to look at. Looks like the future is getting brighter for GM!