Saw an SVT TurboCoupe tonight

Some people will never learn.

You may love SVT's and want one really bad, but you can't go around placing SVT badges all over something that anyone with common sense knows wasn't produced by SVT.

That goes for any car for that matter. The nerve!

-Bishop

The Thunderbird Super Coupe isnt a fast car especially for having a turbo, high 14's just isnt impressive to me.

There is nothing wrong with him having an SVT STICKER on his car...did you ever think maybe he just likes SVT's and wants to show his support? If it was an SVT BADGE like all real SVT's are equiped with, then I can see that as being wrong...but it's just a STICKER !

Originally posted by BURNTU2:

Let me correct a few things:
1 - he was talking about a Turbo Coupe, not Super...Super Coupes were Supercharged.
2 - Having an SVT sticker on his car actually isn't TOO far off from being accurate...the Turbo Coupes were built by the SVO...note the similarties in the SVO Mustangs and Turbo Coupes

So, I guess this applies to all cars then.

Acura Integra's with Type R stickers that aren't Type R?

-Guess they are just big fans and want to "support" them.

The way I see it, if you want to support something, riding around with incorrect stickers or badges on your car isn't the way to go about it IMHO.

I am sure the guy was trying to pass it off as an actual SVT. I don't care how close the cars "may" be, if the Special Vehicle Team from for did not build it, the badges/stickers, whatever, don't belong there. That just strikes me as a "poser."

IMO.

-Bishop

I have a Ranger with a Roush sticker on the windsheild. It has a high flow cat, flowmaster, poly suspension bushings, and had 18" Roush wheels. The guy that owned it before me did all that at Roush, where he worked. So...I'm still a poser. The truck looked really amazing, and people I went to school with started making rumors that it ran 12's or some crazy crap. People would come up to me and ask that..Oh well, I'm less of a poser than some people. I saw a Topaz with a Roush sticker on the windsheild. bastards.
I once had a Turbo Coupe, it was a quick machine if you'd slip the clutch at 3,000 RPM to let the boost build up

Personally I thinks it kinda stupid. Not that i care or ya'll acutally care about my opinion, but Its not an SVT so don't put that sticker on it. The kid probably takes advantage of the fact that VERY FEW people know what SVT is and he has a nice lie to tell the people who ask about it.

On a different note some dude drove up next to me and a bunch of frineds outside a Hooters in a Intergra that was all riced out and had a torn off front bumper and the works. He called my car a rice burner and a European knock off and then Farted away. Just had to get that off my chest

Originally posted by SVTCuervo:
On a different note some dude drove up next to me and a bunch of frineds outside a Hooters in a Intergra that was all riced out and had a torn off front bumper and the works. He called my car a rice burner and a European knock off and then Farted away. Just had to get that off my chest

LMAO, stupid ricer.

i like it the other way around, svt with se badges.

No, you saw a T-Bird with an SVT badge stuck on it.

"The way I see it, if you want to support something, riding around with incorrect stickers or badges on your car isn't the way to go about it IMHO."

You got that right how is buying a $5 sticker supporting SVT????

I hate fake badging on cars. Nobody ever put fake "GTO", "SS", or "Boss 302" badges on cars in the muscle car era!

What's so amusing is that SVT didn't even exist when the car was made!

if he has SVT parts on the car, i see no problem with it...

i'm sure nobody is going to say that their car is the "eibach" model if there's a sticker on the car - correct?

I dont however believe SVT makes any type of part for an 87/88 TurboCoupe, but correct me if Im wrong.
-Matt

Like I said a few posts ago...SVT didn't exist until after the Turbocoupe was long gone...there were quite a few parts in the Motorsport catalog, but nothing from SVO.

Originally posted by 2000GreenTour:
I hate fake badging on cars. Nobody ever put fake "GTO", "SS", or "Boss 302" badges on cars in the muscle car era!

I cannot begin to tell you how many fake SS's are out there, and yes, people did this in the "era".

I would say better than 75% of "SS"'s on the road are "clones", that is, they appear the same and sometimes even have the correct option of engine, but they rolled of the line something less than an SS. In my experience, Chevelle SS clones are very common.

This does not in any way excuse illegitimate badging on cars, it's all horseshit IMO.

Originally posted by 2000GreenTour:

...I hate fake badging on cars. Nobody ever put fake "GTO", "SS", or "Boss 302" badges on cars in the muscle car era!

Err, I was there, yes they did. 6 cyl. Tempest, GTO badging. 6 cyl. Camaro, SS badging. Ever see a Shelby Mustang notchback with 13 in. tires?

It wasn't rice back then, but it was just as stupid.

Originally posted by 18psi2300:
Like I said a few posts ago...SVT didn't exist until after the Turbocoupe was long gone...there were quite a few parts in the Motorsport catalog, but nothing from SVO.

Really, although I would not approve of an SVT or SVO badge on the 87-88 TurboCoupe, I would not mind a SMALL SVO sticker on the glass or a front plate as that engine was basically the SVO Mustang engine, a 2.3 liter intercooled turbo. Earlier year TurboCoupes were not intercooled.

Automatic versions had single exhaust, only 150hp. MTX models had duals and 190hp. I had one (88 MTX), wish I still did now that I could afford to mod it.

Oh yeah, FWIW, the SVO Stangs ran a quicker 1/4 mile than the V8 GT's of the same model years

. I would say the 200 hp rating for the Stang was conservative, and from my experience so was the 190hp for the TurboCoupe.

Originally posted by tastethefury:
I have a Ranger with a Roush sticker on the windsheild. It has a high flow cat, flowmaster, poly suspension bushings, and had 18" Roush wheels. The guy that owned it before me did all that at Roush, where he worked. So...I'm still a poser. The truck looked really amazing, and people I went to school with started making rumors that it ran 12's or some crazy crap. People would come up to me and ask that..Oh well, I'm less of a poser than some people. I saw a Topaz with a Roush sticker on the windsheild. bastards.

Is your truck yellow?
A few years back, I used to see a yellow Ranger with Roush stickers and wheels, Steeda badging, Saleen badging, and an SVT badge driving around Orlando. It always used to make me laugh.

Did SVT ever do a Lincoln Mark VIII?

Didn't think so, but I saw one a few weeks ago...

Originally posted by TropicalSVT:

Originally posted by tastethefury:
I have a Ranger with a Roush sticker on the windsheild. It has a high flow cat, flowmaster, poly suspension bushings, and had 18" Roush wheels. The guy that owned it before me did all that at Roush, where he worked. So...I'm still a poser. The truck looked really amazing, and people I went to school with started making rumors that it ran 12's or some crazy crap. People would come up to me and ask that..Oh well, I'm less of a poser than some people. I saw a Topaz with a Roush sticker on the windsheild. bastards.

Is your truck yellow?
A few years back, I used to see a yellow Ranger with Roush stickers and wheels, Steeda badging, Saleen badging, and an SVT badge driving around Orlando. It always used to make me laugh.

Naa, my truck is black. And actually I've taken the windsheild sticker off a while back, it still has a little 2x10 in the back window though. Roush/Steeda/Saleen/SVT? sounds like one amazing machine

Originally posted by Dark Sport:
i like it the other way around, svt with se badges.

noting that, my brother bought a 1986 camaro iroc-z (bad ass car!) that was black with gold stickers and silver/gold rims with a 5.0L TPI 265hp V-8/7004R tranny. well, time to get rid of it and he sells it to a guy that was buying it for (unknown at the time) his drug addict son who tore the #$@% out of it. took it away from him and gave it back to my brother and asked him if he could fix it. well, anyway, the kid was showing off after school one day and was doing burnouts and rear ended a school bus

causing the hood to be all bent up. he replaced it with a z28 hood (different hood louvers) and painted the whole car the typical 80's camaro green. now, only place it says IROC-Z are the mudflaps, 1" round center caps on rims (which are horrible looking on the green car), and the dash. pray for the poor soul driving the late 80's z28 who pulls up to it thinking he'll run with it....

Originally posted by 18psi2300:
Like I said a few posts ago...SVT didn't exist until after the Turbocoupe was long gone...there were quite a few parts in the Motorsport catalog, but nothing from SVO.

The first part is correct, but the SVO DID BUILD THE TURBO COUPES.

As for the people who say it's not SVT...the SVO WAS the old-school SVT...they just renamed it a few years later.

I think it is generally accepted that a sticker on your car with some product name on it means you have made some addition/change to your car and is reflected by the sticker.
i.e. the "eibach" comment a while back implies that eibach springs are installed.
Most people probably don't have a problem with stickers being put on a car IF you actually put something on the car and represent it with the sticker.

An actual factory badge placed on a car that didn't carry that badge is plain horsecrap. It is a wannabe, poser, or whatever you call it.
It goes along with the same type of mindset of braggarts and liars in my book...if you ain't got it then don't front it.

Better to put your own name on the damn car and build it to your own specs and be more original.

I have a 66 mustang with shelby stripes, does this make me out to be a poser. If you and I know it isn't a SVT then what diffrence does it make to the rest of the world? I don't go around telling people that my car is a shelby but it's kind of funny when people call it that.

Svt 99

Originally posted by mavrock:

Originally posted by 18psi2300:
Like I said a few posts ago...SVT didn't exist until after the Turbocoupe was long gone...there were quite a few parts in the Motorsport catalog, but nothing from SVO.

The first part is correct, but the SVO DID BUILD THE TURBO COUPES.

As for the people who say it's not SVT...the SVO WAS the old-school SVT...they just renamed it a few years later.

SVO played no role in the Turbocoupe...The only relation is that SVO made a mustang using the same engine. They began working with the Tbird when they thought the Mustang was going to be canceled, but nothing ever came of that except a few parts in the Motorsport catalog (and some people say the rear disk brakes on the 87-88's, but its never been confirmed) .

Originally posted by 18psi2300:

Originally posted by mavrock:

Originally posted by 18psi2300:
Like I said a few posts ago...SVT didn't exist until after the Turbocoupe was long gone...there were quite a few parts in the Motorsport catalog, but nothing from SVO.

The first part is correct, but the SVO DID BUILD THE TURBO COUPES.

As for the people who say it's not SVT...the SVO WAS the old-school SVT...they just renamed it a few years later.

SVO played no role in the Turbocoupe...The only relation is that SVO made a mustang using the same engine. They began working with the Tbird when they thought the Mustang was going to be canceled, but nothing ever came of that except a few parts in the Motorsport catalog (and some people say the rear disk brakes on the 87-88's, but its never been confirmed) .

Well I had to prove my point, so I went and found a couple sites that confirm what I was trying to say. Check out this one or specifically this one for info.
There are more out there, but this was on of the most blatant ones aside from the sites that had pictures (magazine articles, promotions) of SVO products w/ the Mustang and Turbo Coupe together.
I may not have been entirely accurate in saying that the SVO built the Turbo Coupe from the ground-up, but they CERTAINLY had a hand in designing/engineering 95% of it for sure.

The Turbo Coupe is definitely a product of the SVO.

I bet SVO did play a part in the Turbo Coupe. Roush played a big part in the SN-95 Cobra Mustangs, and I am sure they still do today. My dad works for Ford, and was stationed at a Roush building for a year or so. I remember one time I went in there and they had row after row after row of Cobras, just sitting there. So unless you were head of SVO, I wouldnt be so quick to say they had nothing to do with the Turbo Coupe, chances are, they did.

In the late 70s through the 80s Ford made the Turbo Coupe, Mustang GT Turbo, Cobra Turbo, and the SVO Mustang. The Turbo Coupe, Cobra, and GT Turbo are basicly the same engine, the SVO has many unique parts. The early 2.3L turbo had a carburator!

The 2.3L turbo engine was in the Mustang in 1979, the SVE version in the SVO Mustang came around 1984. The Turbo Coupe and Mustang GT/Cobra Turbo has the same engine. If you check a parts catalouge you will find very few parts in common between the TC and SVO engines of the same years. SVE may have had a hand from the beginning, but the 2.3L turbo has it's roots in the Mustang.

Originally posted by http://www.svoca.com:
Epilog
There was talk at Ford about '86 being the last year of the Mustang. The reasoning was, the increasing popularity of the Mazda built Probe and better EPA numbers would help Ford meet their CAFE requirements. The SVO team was informed that the Mustang would be dropped at the end of '86.

With the SVO team notified of the demise of the Mustang, work was begun on a new SVO T Bird. While the work progressed, the UAW approached Ford and pointed out, If the Mustang was replaced by the off shore produced Probe, many Dearborn workers would be without jobs. Ford agreed and signed a contract with the UAW to produce the Mustang until 1993.

They started working on a t-bird, but it was never produced...the upgrades that were going to be on it, were later sold in the Ford Motorsport catalog.

Before this point SVO focused strictly on the Mustang, so Ford was developing the turbocoupe alongside of SVO designing the SVO Mustang. Not to mention the first turbocoupes were released in 1983 while SVO was still hard at work on the SVO Mustangs.

You need to read a sentence further:

"Though the SVO only had a three year production run, future Mustangs and the new 87 Turbo Coupe would benefit from the SVO."

Look thru the sites and find the pictures of the SVO Mustang and the Turbo Coupes right next to each other on the advertisements...coincidence?? Please. The two were BROTHERS. There's even a picture that shows an Escort 1.6L turbo GT, an SVO and a Turbo Coupe all together...looks like SVO might have had their hand in the pot in that too...

My dad was working w/ Ford at the time they were developing this car...he has an 86 Turbo Coupe also...he KNOWS this stuff and it's now been proven. Is it really that difficult for you to accept?

"Benefiting from" and "being made by" are 2 completely different things...

Compared to the SVO, the 87-88 Turbocoupes have a different turbo, intercooler, intake, and engine computer...different brakes, different suspension, different rear end. All they share is the long block. Where's the similarities?

Like I said...I am not the expert here, my father is the one who is the knowledgable one here and 99 out of 100 times he's right on, and there's Internet proof to back it up on more than one site...it's just not a hugely known fact. When people say "SVO" they automatically and only think of the Mustang...they're wrong, plain and simple.

The TBird may not bear the logo, but the SVO heritage is there.

Do you know or work w/ people who were IN THE SVO in Ford at the time they were building these? Did YOU have the inside view back in the mid 80's? All I can say is that he did.

If you really want to know, why not go and post the question on NATO? (www.turbotbird.com)

Originally posted by mavrock:
Do you know or work w/ people who were IN THE SVO in Ford at the time they were building these? Did YOU have the inside view back in the mid 80's? All I can say is that he did.

If you really want to know, why not go and post the question on NATO? (www.turbotbird.com)

Already posted on turboford.org; wait and see...

Originally posted by mavrock:
Like I said...I am not the expert here, my father is the one who is the knowledgable one here and 99 out of 100 times he's right on, and there's Internet proof to back it up on more than one site...it's just not a hugely known fact. When people say "SVO" they automatically and only think of the Mustang...they're wrong, plain and simple.

The TBird may not bear the logo, but the SVO heritage is there.

Do you know or work w/ people who were IN THE SVO in Ford at the time they were building these? Did YOU have the inside view back in the mid 80's? All I can say is that he did.

If you really want to know, why not go and post the question on NATO? (www.turbotbird.com)

SVO didn't make the Turbocoupe, plain and simple. Some of the stuff that was developed for the SVO Mustang was adapted to the T-bird, but to say SVO was responsible for the car is a ridiculous stretch. Heck, maybe I should start calling my XR4Ti an SVO XR4Ti, it is a heck of a lot closer to the same motor as an SVO than the 87-88 turbocoupe . . . heck even the computer is a direct swap . . .

This whole thread sounds like a serious case of badge envy to me . . . just like when we all hear the ridiculous statement that the early SE was the "original SVT"

I could write a book on the things people are doing to their cars. I am going to college and am surrounded by tons of ricers. On the SVT sticker issue I just saw a Probe with one on it. As far as I know there was never a probe SVT.

I have to Agree!!!!

Originally posted by Peach:
So, I guess this applies to all cars then.

Acura Integra's with Type R stickers that aren't Type R?

-Guess they are just big fans and want to "support" them.

The way I see it, if you want to support something, riding around with incorrect stickers or badges on your car isn't the way to go about it IMHO.

I am sure the guy was trying to pass it off as an actual SVT. I don't care how close the cars "may" be, if the Special Vehicle Team from for did not build it, the badges/stickers, whatever, don't belong there. That just strikes me as a "poser."

IMO.

-Bishop

Rara thanks for confiming that for us. It would have been great if there really was a SVO Turbocoupe; maybe they woulda used that mythical DOHC head

Originally posted by rthoman:
As far as I know there was never a probe SVT.

More importantly, SVT never made ANY parts for the probe. To my knowlege there isn't any svt part ever that could be swapped.

Originally posted by 18psi2300:
Rara thanks for confiming that for us. It would have been great if there really was a SVO Turbocoupe; maybe they woulda used that mythical DOHC head .

Supposedly, a couple of those DOHC heads actually got built and put into test cars (I've never seen them though) Supposedly they were the cat's arse . . .

though, I must say, i wish the SHO V6 had found its way into the XR4Ti, that would have been way cool.

Originally posted by Rara:

Originally posted by 18psi2300:
Rara thanks for confiming that for us. It would have been great if there really was a SVO Turbocoupe; maybe they woulda used that mythical DOHC head .

Supposedly, a couple of those DOHC heads actually got built and put into test cars (I've never seen them though) Supposedly they were the cat's arse . . .

though, I must say, i wish the SHO V6 had found its way into the XR4Ti, that would have been way cool.