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The dude is alive, luckily.

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DAYTON | Doctors revived a man Sunday just hours after medics pronounced him dead on the scene of a car crash, police officials said.

Dayton Police Sgt. Charles Hurley said Scott Tegtmeyer was walking in the intersection of Third Street and Edwin C. Moses Boulevard at 12:40 p.m. when a Chrysler PT Cruiser ran a red light, struck a Subaru sports utility vehicle and sent it into the air.

The Subaru landed upside down on Tegtmeyer and dragged him several feet across the intersection, Hurley said. Tegtmeyer, bloodied and surrounded by shattered glass, was pronounced dead on the scene, but he suddenly started breathing while in transit with paramedics. By 3 p.m., doctors had fully resuscitated him.

On Sunday evening, he was in the Miami Valley Hospital Intensive Care Unit.

Neither of the female drivers of the vehicles involved were carrying passengers. The woman driving the Subaru was transported to Miami Valley Hospital. Information on the condition of the driver of the PT Cruiser was not available. Hurley said police talked to eight witnesses. He also said it is possible a camera mounted high above the intersection captured the crash.

Dayton police reconstructionists, trained at putting clues together after crashes, were on the scene with digital cameras and measuring devices. The flipped Subaru showed noticeable crash damage on the left body panel. Ten yards away, the customized P.T. Cruiser with a "AAA" sticker on the back of its tinted windows showed damage to its front end.
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Originally posted by mbSVTroll:

Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
It is very tragic indeed...

But the puzzle pieces aren't fitting together right, no matter which angle I think about it.






Originally posted by mbSVTroll:

The camera caught the PT Cruiser, driven by Betty J. Hayslip, 75, of New Lebanon running the red light and striking a Suburu driven by Albertina L. Walker, 41, of Dayton, police said. Her SUV flew into the air and crashed into Scott Tegtmeyer, 42, of Dayton.







I had read that already, but reading posts that questioned the righteousness of that article sparked my imagination, hence my post. But you knew that already.


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Originally posted by Renee:
Originally posted by Sneaku:


Originally posted by mbSVTroll:

The camera caught the PT Cruiser, driven by Betty J. Hayslip, 75, of New Lebanon running the red light and striking a Suburu driven by Albertina L. Walker, 41, of Dayton, police said. Her SUV flew into the air and crashed into Scott Tegtmeyer, 42, of Dayton.




No mystery it's right there in black and white. Besides, watch the video again you will see all of the traffic in the opposite lane the PT was in STOPPING at the light. Seems prety obvious to me the PT was trying to haul ass through a yellow that turned red before he made it. The other car was probably a bit off the interesection when the light turned which is why it was going to fast when it turned green for him.




Thanks Freaky, I was going to quote that article after what Map said, but you did it for me. Saves me from having to do it. Plus, with all the witnesses there, I am sure the police got an accurate description of what happened.





Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
Even as I think about it now, that doesn't make sense either, considering the way traffic lights operate down here.




In MI lights are very very odd. IF anybody who lives near me can chime in about the light at campbell and 14 mile or the coolige and berkley intersections I would greatly appreciate. You could get a situation where the "PT" had a green light all while the other traffic had a red light. Diff states diff engineers etc etc. Glad to hear that he is alive.


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omg.....talk about ur bad luck


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Originally posted by chongo:
That's so sad!
If you look closely you'll see that the guy crossing the street almost made it.
He seemed to hear the crash and began to run, but just before he got to the curb the SUV caught him.

As for saying anyone over 65 should be re-tested yearly, you people are stero-typing big time.

So what if it said the driver of the PT crusier was 75 all we see the the crash and nothing else.
Only the police report knows what happened and even then it's probably wrong.

Everyone runs yellow/red lights, speeds, develops bad habits, etc........

I think everyone should be retested every 5 years!!!

A 75 year old isn't street racing and killing people every day like 20 year olds!
2 weeks ago we had something like 6 deaths due to street racing in the span of 2 days,
all killed were in there 20's and in the cars.
The accidents were on major streets with lots of pedestrian traffic too, luckly no pedestians were injured.






Perhaps you missed the news (probably did since it was in CA) a while back when an elderly man drove into a Farmers' Market, killing around 20 people and injuring many more I believe. You have no idea how dangerous elderly people are unless you actually drive with one. Obviously not all are, but a large enough percentage to warrant annual testing.


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Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Originally posted by Renee:
Originally posted by Sneaku:


Originally posted by mbSVTroll:

The camera caught the PT Cruiser, driven by Betty J. Hayslip, 75, of New Lebanon running the red light and striking a Suburu driven by Albertina L. Walker, 41, of Dayton, police said. Her SUV flew into the air and crashed into Scott Tegtmeyer, 42, of Dayton.




No mystery it's right there in black and white. Besides, watch the video again you will see all of the traffic in the opposite lane the PT was in STOPPING at the light. Seems prety obvious to me the PT was trying to haul ass through a yellow that turned red before he made it. The other car was probably a bit off the interesection when the light turned which is why it was going to fast when it turned green for him.




Thanks Freaky, I was going to quote that article after what Map said, but you did it for me. Saves me from having to do it. Plus, with all the witnesses there, I am sure the police got an accurate description of what happened.





Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
Even as I think about it now, that doesn't make sense either, considering the way traffic lights operate down here.




In MI lights are very very odd. IF anybody who lives near me can chime in about the light at campbell and 14 mile or the coolige and berkley intersections I would greatly appreciate. You could get a situation where the "PT" had a green light all while the other traffic had a red light. Diff states diff engineers etc etc. Glad to hear that he is alive.




Oh yeah Map, I can totally see what you are saying. It is feesable. I had to rewatch the video several times and still wasn't TOTALLY sure about the Cruiser running the light until I saw the article, it just stuck out in my mind that she did because everyone else was stopped. It would have been nice if the camera could have taped the WHOLE intersection, instead of just that one angle. Ah well. At least the walker survived. I can also see why you would think the Cruiser had the green with the walker going the way he did, but you have to remember that alot of people don't pay one bit of attention to the WALK/DON'T WALK lights.


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Originally posted by deftoned989:
Originally posted by chongo:
As for saying anyone over 65 should be re-tested yearly, you people are stero-typing big time.
I think everyone should be retested every 5 years!!!




Perhaps you missed the news (probably did since it was in CA) a while back when an elderly man drove into a Farmers' Market, killing around 20 people and injuring many more I believe. You have no idea how dangerous elderly people are unless you actually drive with one. Obviously not all are, but a large enough percentage to warrant annual testing.




What about people who have heart attacks and crash into bus shelters? It's happened many times.

This can go on and on.
Yes I believe people over 65 should be retested, but to say only those people should be retested and no one else is a sad statement.
Like I said before everyone should be retested every 5 years, upon reaching 60 every 2 years, 70 yearly and getting a physical to prove you can safely drive should be mandatory as well for all ages.



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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
Yet another reason why insurance cost keep going up, because of dumbasses like her who shouldnt have a license.






The best part is she probably pays $10/month for full coverage on that brand new PT Cruiser, while they want me to pay more than my car is worth for one years coverage. I hate insurance companies. Legal rapists of the younger generations.

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Something that seems to have dropped off in this conversation is the debate of pedestrians versus cars. Pedestrians and bikes both have the right of way over cars. As long as the pedestrian is in a cross walk you have to yield no matter if the light is red, green, purple, etc. Now, if they aren't in a crosswalk and step off the curb in front of you, that's a different matter as they can be ticketed for jay walking. So, in the vast majority of cases though, the pedestrian is not at fault.

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Originally posted by Buckshot77:
Pedestrians and bikes both have the right of way over cars. As long as the pedestrian is in a cross walk you have to yield no matter if the light is red, green, purple, etc. Now, if they aren't in a crosswalk and step off the curb in front of you, that's a different matter as they can be ticketed for jay walking. So, in the vast majority of cases though, the pedestrian is not at fault.

Rick




People need to realize that they dont though. I bike ride everyday for a few miles doing papers and all, at streets where I cross I stop and let the cars go, I dont just ride on though even though I may have the right of way. If I wouldnt have stopped a few times at streets then I would have been hit by a car and it wouldnt have been my fault. No big deal though, I know as a driver you arent always looking out for people walking.
That is just plain dumb to think that cars look out for people walking or on bikes all the time.

As for in a car, if the crosswalk says "Walk" then they do have the right of way, and that is about the only time they have the right of way. They need to look out for cars.

I'm not saying that drivers dont have to look out at all, or that people walking dont have to look out, it is the responsabilty of both people to make sure they dont hit each other.




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