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I'm putting together my own water to air intercooler for my SVT. I wanted to bounce a few things off of you guys.....
First, I'm using a Thunderbird TC air-air IC (Idea I found Rara throw out a long while back) and am mod'ing it to be a water to air type. Bsicly I'm reversing it's intended function by the way it'll be mod'd. I am cutting off the old air tanks and fab'ing up low profile water tanks better suited for the lower amount of space I'll have to deal with.
The actual core size is 6"x11"x3.25". With the proper tanks sizing this will be perfect sizing for a 350-400HP application. Once I have my 3L installed along with the turbo I'll know what I can do and how...but I have taken some messurments in an NA SVT and am 99% sure it will work as planned.
I'm planning on using the Lightning's IC pump, heater hose, Summit aluminum fuel cell and a 1/2" trans fluid type cooler with a fan w/ temp switch.
One thing I have yet to decide is if I should mount the water tank under the hood or all the way back to the trunk. I've read about guys that use water injection cooling with various methods and could see the benifits to having it mounted in the trunk. Though, I know many of the CEG turbo owners have them under the hood.
Am I over looking anything, how does my plan sound?
TIA,
Daymon
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Sounds good man. I myself would much rather a tank mounted in front of th car. Maybe a stealth install in the front bumper 
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Air-to-air type of core is different than water to air. I don't know that they will work at all or at least very efficiently going from one to the other. The water to air core I use has small watr jacket type passages on the water side and large open air passages for the air, plus the two areas are independantly sealed from each other.
Might do some more research on it first.
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350-400 and you never mentioned upgraded rods. I hope that your planning the internals as well as the externals.
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Originally posted by Buckshot77:
Air-to-air type of core is different than water to air. I don't know that they will work at all or at least very efficiently going from one to the other. The water to air core I use has small watr jacket type passages on the water side and large open air passages for the air, plus the two areas are independantly sealed from each other.
Might do some more research on it first.
Rick
Rick, you would normally be right here, but keep in mind, the t-bird IC core is an OEM core, (made by Blackstone in Englang, IIRC) and doesn't have the nice bar and plate design like a spearco for example. The finpack is pretty generic and about the same either direction.
Granted, it won't be the BEST efficiency w/a IC out there, but it will be pretty decent, and quite cost effective for someone who can weld aluminum themselves.
One thing to watch out for, is that the cores are sealed around the endtanks by a epoxy sort of sealer inside, be careful when welding new tanks on, if you over heat the core, you could end up w/ some pinhole leaks.
Fwiw, I never did make mine, I got a killer deal on an air/air IC for my old XR, so it sorta fell by the wayside.
BUT, if you need a lightning IC water pump, I think I have one or two laying around I'm not using, let me know, I'm cheap 
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Originally posted by Keyser:
350-400 and you never mentioned upgraded rods. I hope that your planning the internals as well as the externals.
No it's a basicly stock 3L. It has +1mm SP pistons, tri-metal bearings, currant Escape style oiling system and brand new oil pump, balanced, DMD and will have an accusump.
350-400 is about the IC's limits with the amount of space available really. I would like to get into the 350 range w/ a safe tune on my 3L. It'll come down to the final tank and spout design to get the correct CFM flow for that goal.
Now to actually get my engine and transaxel installed.....then the fun can begin 
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Originally posted by Rara:
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Fwiw, I never did make mine, I got a killer deal on an air/air IC for my old XR, so it sorta fell by the wayside.
BUT, if you need a lightning IC water pump, I think I have one or two laying around I'm not using, let me know, I'm cheap
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I would really be concerned if I were you about pushing the rods that far. They may be fine for a while but it's the fatigue strength that I worry about. This is a used engine that you are rebuilding to produce over double what it was made for. With the amount of time, money and effort already invested I would consider upgrading the rods or lowering your goals. Just an opinion.
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Originally posted by Keyser:
I would really be concerned if I were you about pushing the rods that far. They may be fine for a while but it's the fatigue strength that I worry about. This is a used engine that you are rebuilding to produce over double what it was made for. With the amount of time, money and effort already invested I would consider upgrading the rods or lowering your goals. Just an opinion.
What would be a better power limit with stock bottom end, in your opinion?? I'm not looking to grenade this car anytime soon....
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300-325 wheels at the most. I wouldn't go beyond what Tom has seen on his set up unless you really want to push the envelope and possibly pay the price with another rebuild sometime soon.
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