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#99036 06/21/01 05:15 PM
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Let me elaborate on my question. In order for the "heat shield" to shield anything it would have to be high enough so that it is almost in contact with the hood. If it's not what is it shielding. Any significant gap between the shield and the hood and it's not going to be much use at all. If there is something missing in my logic than do tell.

Now if part 1 is correct, then what have we just done? Completely enclosed the filter again, right? So we have a completely enclosed open filter drawing air from just the engine bay. Again, this is just a theory so rip it apart. laugh


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BLK,
Part of the problem of the SVT airbox, is that there is not a ;arge enough "pool" of air to draw from, which is why the open element KKM works better in spite of the negative effects of heat soak and fan wash. Now, w/ a heat shield, most of the negative effects are cancelled w/ minimal effect on the positive aspects of the open element filter, ie there is a larger "pool" of air to draw from, and it isn't air that has been sitting on top of the hot engine, or just drawn through a hot radiatior by a rapidly spinning fan.
there's more, but I don't want to get into the flow dynamics within the filter KKM uses . . .


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Thanks, "Big Meanie". laugh That makes sense, the ducting to the wheel well does suck. I just figured the benefits would weigh in the other direction ,but I see what you are saying.


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Ok, so here is a picture of that "egg shaped" (lol) air duck in my fender that I was talking about in my earlier post, and thought "this" was what the SVT had until just last night when I helped an SVT owner install his KKM. So what the hell this is for I have no clue?!?!?! confused

Right in the middle, the plastic "egg shape" pipe that goes down into the fender.


It has been there ever since I got the car, the stock air box never attached to it in anyway, so I'm just confused as to what it's for? Well, I know "what" it's for (pull colder air from the fender) but nothing uses it. Anyone else have this on there Non-SVT?


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#99040 06/21/01 08:14 PM
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That is very similar if not the same shape of the opening of the duct on the SVT. It's round at the connection to the airbox but where it starts to wind down to where it actually goes through to the wheel well it looks like that. Question. Is that the true shape or is it mashed up against the filter? I can tell from the picture.


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fenderman: I ordered a KKM for my SVT from SP Motorsports. Joe Scott (I believe that's the owner's name) was very polite, although I didn't ask a lot of questions. The price was the same as what KKM charges, but shipping was less.


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#99042 06/21/01 09:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Simon96SE:
Ok, so here is a picture of that "egg shaped" (lol) air duck in my fender that I was talking about in my earlier post, and thought "this" was what the SVT had until just last night when I helped an SVT owner install his KKM. So what the hell this is for I have no clue?!?!?! confused

Right in the middle, the plastic "egg shape" pipe that goes down into the fender.


It has been there ever since I got the car, the stock air box never attached to it in anyway, so I'm just confused as to what it's for? Well, I know "what" it's for (pull colder air from the fender) but nothing uses it. Anyone else have this on there Non-SVT?


Simon, that's where the stock SE/GL V6 air box is supposed to connect. The SVT connector is round. If yours wasn't connected, it was missing the little rubber boot that is the same shape as that egg. The SVT piece makes little difference as far as a KKM filter is concerned as the silicone adapter doesn't fit tightly in the hole. I doubt if it makes a diffence in IAT readings at all...


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#99043 06/21/01 09:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by BLK98.5SVT:
Question. Is that the true shape or is it mashed up against the filter? I can tell from the picture.


No its not touching the KKM at all, there's a good 3 inchs between them so that is the true shape of it.

Bnoon: Thanks for the explanantion. It must of been used by my old stock air box etc I just can't remember its been so long since I've had it. Lol.


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#99044 06/22/01 12:36 AM
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Thank you for referring me to SPMotorsports. I just drafted an inquiry and I should hear back from them in a couple of days as to what can be done to add the bigger filter, chrome plate, and silicone hose to the standard SE kit without having to buy 2 kits and waste half of both of them (around 200 dollars... ouch!). I guess I was just confused when I called KKM why they would only offer one or the other to me as a kit and why (for a few bucks extra of course for the trouble, I wouldn't ask for free effort) they would not simply sell me the SVT kit, but swap out the adapters and hardware. Also if anybody has pictures or a complete list and description of the parts of the individual pieces in either kit (a bit more detail than what I already found at the KKM website), if you could please send them my way (fenderman49@hotmail.com to preserve bandwidth for more important topics) I would certainly appreciate it. Thanks to all of you once again!

Edit- I just looked at a Mercury Cougar with an intake system that looked like the KKM but had a different filter and I saw where the IAT adapter was. Say I got the SVT kit (the whole thing) and modified the adapter to accept the IAT, would that work for my Contour? Or are there also special mounting brackets specific to my SE that the SVT differs on and where do these mounting brackets attach? It looks like it just hangs there from the pictures I saw.

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This is the only time I've posted this as a non-advertisement. This is to show the difference of using a shield like was mentioned above. Of course the inadvertent advertising doesn't bother me. laugh


Update*
The shield showed a 20F temp drop at the IAT sensor using the OBDII scanner.
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Here is the info that I have. Allthough the numbers aren't astronomical, they do prove that a shield will dramatically reduce heat soak. I have measured a 50 degree F difference from the outside of the heat shield to the other side of the shield at the filter (KKM). It definitely aids in blocking the air the fans will blow into the intake as well. Here are some numbers besides the temps.
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Pics are here: http://photos.yahoo.com/jc_aimhigher You can also see it on the NECO site: http://www.newcougar.org
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Chris A.'s car:
with the shield and hood closed: 164.0hp and 147.2lb/tq with the shield and hood open: 166.6hp and 147.8lb/tq
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Blake's car:
hmmm....hood open = 164.3 hp / 144.5 lb. ft. hood closed = 160.4 hp / 141.6 lb. ft.
Both of these cars were built in the same month. They are both silver SVTs.
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Shields are made on Saturday ready to ship on Monday. The price is $65.00 which includes shipping. You can pay with PayPal or check/MO/cash.
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PayPal, send payment to jc-aimhigher@webtv.net with the Subject: Miks Heat Shield. Include your email, name, shipping address and what type of car/engine combo.
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Or send payment to:
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John Miks
218 D Tyndall Ave
Colorado Springs, CO 80916
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If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask.
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John

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