Originally posted by Pete D:

The point of a proactive approach is that it prevents things like poverty and crime. Your taxes pay for law enforcement and prisons (reactive). Apparently, you don't support either




Your putting words in my mouth, I never said that government should just not do a damn thing! Yes, police and prisons are something they should be in. Prolonged welfare, handouts, socialist health care are some examples of where government doesn't need to be. Government is mainly for the safety and protection of the people, not to support and make a living for people.

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I never said communism worked. I don't regard most of the western European countries as communist countries, they do have more social support for their citizens however.

I think you are being a little idealistic if you think everyone in this country has a chance to be what they want to be. While sure I suppose it is possible, it's pretty unlikely to happen with all the poverty and degredation. Someone's environment play a huge role in the type of person they are, and will be.



No, the words "communism works wonderfully" have not come out of your mouth, but you sure do apparantly want us to take steps towards it. I do regard most of the western European countries as socialist. Those governments are there primarily for the redistribution of wealth through government programs and high taxes.

I sure as hell aren't being idealistic. While everyone might not have the chance to have a Corvette in the garage, they sure as hell have a chance to not worry about where their next meal will come from. At $5.50 an hour, along with all the government programs I am sure you would be on, you can most definately make a living. I would love to see where "all the poverty and degredation," in this country are. Sure we have our share of problems of that nature, but I am pretty sure Sally Struthers hasn't filmed any Save The Children commercials here lately. I live in an area considered the 3rd poorest area in the country right now, and I can tell you there is no one starving around here.

Of course your environment play into what you become, but there is no one holding you in your ghetto's like the nazis did to the Jews. Now theres a group of people that didn't have a chance in hell, but they didn't destroy their neighborhoods like people do in America today.

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I would have assumed they would help you understand things like taxes, fiscal policy, unemployment, etc. I guess we know what happens when you assume...



What this statement has to do with anything, other than an attack on my intelligence, I have no idea. So, what would I learn in this macrocommunism class that you are teaching that I don't know?

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How can you not blame society? Are you saying that if that person had lived in a cave until this point in their life they would be the same? White trash like to outdo each other (show how much $$$ they have) they just choose to do it by seeing who has the newest IROC



I don't care what generalizations you want to make, the fact is if you want to make something of yourself in this country you can. I don't care if your black, white, rich, poor. There are plenty of oppertunities if you try hard enough; and I will say them, the most taboo words in todays society WORK HARD YOURSELF. I have seen poor black men and women do great things with their lives, as well as I have gone to highschool with rich white kids who are 22 and still going from one minimum wage to another.

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