Originally posted by 99blacksesport:


Pete: Your statements reek with socialism. Government is not the provider of the people, rather the other way around. Our government does not make money (well technically they print it...) so the only way it gets money to give back to the people is through taxes. Now why would I want to give my money to the government so they can give it to other people? Our government was not created to make all people even; if you want that, theres a bunch of countries in Eastern Europe that would be glad to take the money you make and redistribute it. I am far from being in a weatlthy economic class, and I still don't want the government to take my money and spend as they see fit.



I think you might be missing part of my point about social programs funded by taxes. It's more of a proactive aproach than a reactive one, not a bad idea if you ask me.

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To quote the words of a Democrat (whom I respect greatly) "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you: Ask what you can do for your country." -JFK

I don't understand why people think that the government has the most streamlined and well thought out ways of handling your money, and that they will do a better job with it than you can. No, our government is full of wasteful spending in all aspects.

I agree the government isn't the best with money, and can be quite ineffecient, however I think this is more of a problem with our government than governments in general.

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This is not what our government was founded on, brought up to be, or God willing what it will be. Hell, if you take the most absolute literal reading of the intentions of the founding fathers, they wanted federal government for only the protection of the people. Now clearly this isn't possible in todays modern society, but we get further and further from that ideal with every social program designed to redistribute wealth.



Quoting the interpretations of the founding fathers is a slippery slope. Keep in mind that they created the constitution in a building with the shutters locked in secrecy. Furthermore, the articles of confederation failed because it gave the states too much power and too little cental power, plus the "founding fathers" were a little concerned about themselves, and made some decisons reflectiong that. Furthermore, they only gave the right to vote to white, landholding men, some food for thought. I don't think wealth should be redistributed 100%, that isn't right. But the huge gaps we have between the rich and the poor only keep growing, what do you propose we do?

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You also speak of poverty being a problem in this nation. Well, if I were to take the news of all the new jobs created this year alone, and give the democrats their claim of them being all minimum wage jobs, there is no excuse for their being poverty in this nation. If you are telling me that there are some people that really do look for a job, but can't find one anywhere, I would respectfully call you a liar. Anyone can qualify for a minimum wage job in some field. Even mentally retarded people can get jobs in places created especially for them. The only way that you would be in such poverty that you don't know where your next meal is comming from is that you are not going out and finding a job for yourself.

I think we already established that a minumum wage job isn't a living wage. As far as jobs, poverty and unemployment, I might suggest taking a course in Macroeconomics. You said you are a college student, so it shouldn't be that hard to find one



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I'll tell what, you can live in the area of the country I am in on $1000 a month, but it requires you make sacrifices, which so many people are not willing to do. This reminds me of a class I was in a few months back. This woman was giving this sob story of how DHS was going to take her kids, and this and that, because she couldn't afford to buy or keep her child's clothing clean. Now keep in mind, I am in college, so this woman could afford to send herself to college. So she goes on about how she has a low paying job, too many bills, her welfare and food stamps wont cover all her bills, etc etc. Well, I would almost feel bad for her if she werent wearing name brand clothes, nice new shoes, and then as soon as she steps out of the class room her ear becomes glued to a cell phone. This, by the way, is the norm around here, not the exception.


I don't argue this at all. In our overly materialistic society often low income people feel the need to make it appear like they have more money than they actually do, it is reather sad.

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And finally, your uninformed cheap shots at the Fox News Network are completly wacked out, there is nothing Nazi about the Fox News. Because it doesn't get its information and print stories straight from the 'democratic handbook of how to create a socialist America,' like you apparantly do, doesn't make them a bad news channel.



Uninformed about the Fox News Channel? Nope, it's on in my living room right now. My stepfather watches it probably 4hrs a day at least. They have some of the most tilted coverage I have seen. Although I will admit there are no media outlets in america that I feel are actually 100% objective.

FWIW, I don't consider myself a democrat. Heck, in HS I was in the young republicans club.

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