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#985134 06/20/04 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Pete D:
I'm going to see it when it hits theatres (next week I believe). It's nice to see another perspective, although one does have to take it with a grain of salt.




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Originally posted by MarkO:
Well, thats nice.

I haven't seen any of his films but the fact that the neocons hate him so much is amusing.




Maybe it's because he's been proven to have greatly slanted his mockumentary "Bowling for Columbine" yet he won an oscar anyway. Doesn't make one really want to see any of his filth...er films. Documentaries are supposed to DOCUMENT, not try shove the directors political agenda down your throat, which he's trying to do with his new movie.

But then, since he's living in the land of lies and hypocracy, where you can ride around in gas guzzling SUV's and limousines and live in gated communities with armed guards yet insist the rest of us drive hybrid cars and give up our guns, it's not suprising he got honored for skirting the truth.

Don't forget, Michael Moore supports the American worker so much he contracted all his internet business to a Canadian firm. Go Mike!!!!

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What's really great is Ray Bradbury (author of Fahrenheit 451) is demanding that the jerk change the name of his movie.

"That's not his novel, that's not his title, so he shouldn't have done it."

When he called MM and said that to him, he said he was "really embarassed". Bwahahaha...


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Maybe it's because he's been proven to have greatly slanted his mockumentary "Bowling for Columbine" yet he won an oscar anyway. Doesn't make one really want to see any of his filth...er films. Documentaries are supposed to DOCUMENT, not try shove the directors political agenda down your throat, which he's trying to do with his new movie.





Moore has said time and time again that his stuff are not supposed to be "documentaries". Whether people see them as such and he can even win an award for Documentary is not necessarily his fault, though I'm sure he doesn't particularly mind.

He is a great filmmaker. And the stuff that he makes has superb entertainment value, especially his older not-so-right-hating stuff like TV Nation and Awful Truth.

I've met him and spoken with him and he's not nearly as liberal as his work makes him out to be. He, in the great capitalist tradition, realized what made money so he started making it. Too many people take his stuff as gospel when it really was never meant to be.


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Originally posted by sigma:
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Maybe it's because he's been proven to have greatly slanted his mockumentary "Bowling for Columbine" yet he won an oscar anyway. Doesn't make one really want to see any of his filth...er films. Documentaries are supposed to DOCUMENT, not try shove the directors political agenda down your throat, which he's trying to do with his new movie.





Moore has said time and time again that his stuff are not supposed to be "documentaries". Whether people see them as such and he can even win an award for Documentary is not necessarily his fault, though I'm sure he doesn't particularly mind.





Then why did he accept the Oscar? If he's not making documentaries, he should have said "I cannot accept this since my movie is not a documentary". But he didn't. He bloody well knew his film was up for an oscar for best documentary, he should have pulled the plug right away, but he didn't. That just makes him more of a hypocrit.

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I've met him and spoken with him and he's not nearly as liberal as his work makes him out to be. He, in the great capitalist tradition, realized what made money so he started making it. Too many people take his stuff as gospel when it really was never meant to be.




"Hey, it's not my fault I'm a liar". Baloney.

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I'll wait till the official list of things he lies about in the movie comes out. then i'll wait till it comes out on video. I don't see any point in spending money to support Moore.

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I've met him and spoken with him and he's not nearly as liberal as his work makes him out to be. He, in the great capitalist tradition, realized what made money so he started making it. Too many people take his stuff as gospel when it really was never meant to be.




"Hey, it's not my fault I'm a liar". Baloney.




No more a liar than all the Tabloids on the newsstands -- just true enough to not be libel. And his stuff is supposed to be taken with the same grain of salt as you take the Enquirer.


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Originally posted by sigma:

No more a liar than all the Tabloids on the newsstands -- just true enough to not be libel. And his stuff is supposed to be taken with the same grain of salt as you take the Enquirer.




Not according to the media. Watch the liberal news media and they're treating this garbage as if it's gospel.

Don't forget that Michael Moore cares so much about suffering of the Iraqi prison abuse victims that he withheld photos of the abuse for months, instead of taking them to the authorities and breaking the story long before the conventional media did. Way to go, Mike. We can tell you really care about something other than yourself.

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Here's my take (and I personally like his movies, Roger & Me is one of the funniest movies ever and 100% accurate; I lived in Flint for 5 years on and off so I know first-hand):

He's got ideas. Yes, they are very left-wing. Yes, not everybody is going to agree with them. Especially not the right and far right. Just like the left disagrees with Rush Limbaugh.

His methods are unusual (and quite comical), and they do exactly what they are designed to do - put his 'enemies' on the defensive.

However, he promotes a different agenda than you are going to see on Fox News, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, local news, etc. And there is nothing wrong with that. The whole idea of a free society is the free exchange of ideas, especially when they aren't popular or universally accepted.

You don't have to agree with him, but to wish and hope for his death is childish and shows a lack of open-mindedness. It would be just as inappropriate for me to wish the following: "I hope Rush Limbaugh dies from an Oxycontin OD, and when his fat corpse falls to the ground he lands on Bill O'Reilly and suffocates him."

Michael Moore isn't going to bring the apocolypse by airing his ideas. I personally was offended by his outburts at last year's Oscars. But then again, I believed the administration's stance on the War in Iraq at the time. I even listened to the entire Powell UN presentation.

Now that the argument for the war has pretty much been shown to be false (read the 9/11 comission reports and the CIA's releases owning up to the faulty intelligence used for that presentation, and show me the WMDs), it seems like Michael Moore was the smartest person in the building at the time.

Bottom line: You can disagree with him, but by being afraid of the expression of his ideas, you spit in the face of the ideology this country is supposed to be about.

I'll go see the movie with my mom. She's not afraid of a different point of view.

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Originally posted by MarkO:
Well, thats nice.

I haven't seen any of his films but the fact that the neocons hate him so much is amusing.




Moore needs to stop acting like a tabloid.

He has some good ideas, but he's too sensationalistic and lies about a lot of facts.

He gets the same amount of credibility as the The Globe newpaper to me.

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