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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Please provide these non-existant specs for two different manifolds that you state are the same.
A few more questions.
Why has Ford themselves in factory literature and magazines stated the 99+ UIM was sent for extra Extrude Honing when "compared" to the earlier UIM's? I guess you must believe everything you read. Come on now you are obviously smarter than that. 
Why does a 99+ SVT UIM make 3-4 more FWHP and TQ across the powerband then an earlier UIM since they are "spec'd" exactly the same as you claim? (this alone proves you are wrong since if they were the same flow specs they would have equal power output!) Not sure how you are getting the 3-4 hp difference as we all know dyno's are not repeatible. Again, you are smarter than that. The extra honing was done to the cylinder heads - primary and secondary. This is where the extra HP comes from. 
Why did Duttweiler make specific note that he chose the 99-00 Dual Honed UIM for his project beast engine? Do not know this guy, nor where he again came up with this urban legend. 
Then there is the really, really simple one.
Why are the ports an the 98/98.5 UIM smaller then the 99+ UIM? Not sure how you are measuring the hole size, but calipers is not the way to get an accurate reading. Lastly, the specs I am referring too are listed on the print - you have one of those too, right? Thought so. In any case, the 98 UIM has EH spec M605, the 99 UIM has EH spec M602, and guess what - for 2000 the EH spec goes back to M605. The only diff in the specs is a n adjustemnt to the dwell time. No dual hone BS here. So them by obvious deduction the 98 and 2000 should be the same in flow - if there is actually any difference. But wait, you seem to think the 99+ is the best. So now what smarty pants.....????? 
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Please provide these non-existant specs for two different manifolds that you state are the same.
A few more questions.
Why has Ford themselves in factory literature and magazines stated the 99+ UIM was sent for extra Extrude Honing when "compared" to the earlier UIM's?
Why does a 99+ SVT UIM make 3-4 more FWHP and TQ across the powerband then an earlier UIM since they are "spec'd" exactly the same as you claim? (this alone proves you are wrong since if they were the same flow specs they would have equal power output!)
Why did Duttweiler make specific note that he chose the 99-00 Dual Honed UIM for his project beast engine?
Then there is the really, really simple one.
Why are the ports an the 98/98.5 UIM smaller then the 99+ UIM?
Exactly...
PM your CDSID and I will send the prints..........
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Originally posted by svtjeff:
PM your CDSID and I will send the prints..........
Jeff,
Can you scan and post the prints to those of us without a CDSID?
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Originally posted by svtjeff:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Please provide these non-existant specs for two different manifolds that you state are the same.
A few more questions.
Why has Ford themselves in factory literature and magazines stated the 99+ UIM was sent for extra Extrude Honing when "compared" to the earlier UIM's?
Why does a 99+ SVT UIM make 3-4 more FWHP and TQ across the powerband then an earlier UIM since they are "spec'd" exactly the same as you claim? (this alone proves you are wrong since if they were the same flow specs they would have equal power output!)
Why did Duttweiler make specific note that he chose the 99-00 Dual Honed UIM for his project beast engine?
Then there is the really, really simple one.
Why are the ports an the 98/98.5 UIM smaller then the 99+ UIM?
Exactly...
PM your CDSID and I will send the prints..........
Where's procyon when we need him - he could look up the info himself I'm sure.
I bought one of these "exactly the same" late DH manifolds and measured the ports, and just like Demon said they are bigger than what came on the 98's.
I'd suggest you check the accuracy of the print you are looking at, maybe you found a print for the legendary "$300 dollar SVT upper manifold" part number that was released but never built (around the time of the elinator that was also never built)?
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I know this will not sit well with what I just said, however I can not scan the entire print. Way too risky. I do, however, have pdf screen dumps of the title block and spec portions. I must admit, though, I need some advise as to the best method of posting these.
I am also in process of quantifying the EH specs I listed, and this will show who knows what.
Lastly, I really love it how some people think they know it all. I will not mention his name, but suffice to say he always plays the demon's advocate��or is that devil's advocate���:)
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Originally posted by svtjeff:
Lastly, I really love it how some people think they know it all. I will not mention his name, but suffice to say he always plays the demon's advocate��or is that devil's advocate���:)
Well..if the proof is in the pudding...
He's run a 13.94 1/4 mile at 101.6mph... 
That makes him the fastest N/A Tour on the site...
And you've....????
Yeah, that's what I thought... 
Mr 49 posts and know's more than the bro's that have been doing this for more than a while. I've yet to see Kyser, Bnoon, Warmonger, or Hightower say that anything demon has said has been wrong. Theguy does his home work before posting his thoughts, and most of his postings come from direct experience.
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Originally posted by SVT Doood:
Originally posted by svtjeff:
Lastly, I really love it how some people think they know it all. I will not mention his name, but suffice to say he always plays the demon's advocate��or is that devil's advocate���:)
Well..if the proof is in the pudding...
He's run a 13.94 1/4 mile at 101.6mph...
That makes him the fastest N/A Tour on the site...
And you've....????
Yeah, that's what I thought...
Mr 49 posts and know's more than the bro's that have been doing this for more than a while. I've yet to see Kyser, Bnoon, Warmonger, or Hightower say that anything demon has said has been wrong. Theguy does his home work before posting his thoughts, and most of his postings come from direct experience.
OK MR 196 Posts. If that is the best you have, then you must be a genius. Lets just say I do not run my mouth like you because it shows lack of intelligence and reminds me of juvenile logic.
Anytime you want to go to the track or dyno for that matter, let me know. I am sure you will be impressed then��.
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someone just shoot Terry Haines an email and lets get it over with! LOL
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Originally posted by svtjeff:
Originally posted by SVT Doood:
Originally posted by svtjeff:
Lastly, I really love it how some people think they know it all. I will not mention his name, but suffice to say he always plays the demon's advocate��or is that devil's advocate���:)
Well..if the proof is in the pudding...
He's run a 13.94 1/4 mile at 101.6mph...
That makes him the fastest N/A Tour on the site...
And you've....????
Yeah, that's what I thought...
Mr 49 posts and know's more than the bro's that have been doing this for more than a while. I've yet to see Kyser, Bnoon, Warmonger, or Hightower say that anything demon has said has been wrong. Theguy does his home work before posting his thoughts, and most of his postings come from direct experience.
OK MR 196 Posts. If that is the best you have, then you must be a genius. Lets just say I do not run my mouth like you because it shows lack of intelligence and reminds me of juvenile logic.
Anytime you want to go to the track or dyno for that matter, let me know. I am sure you will be impressed then��.
1st..I am not the one claiming to be an expert, am I there Jeff. You come into this site like a ton of bricks..."uuhhh, I can't scan it it..." and expect us to to say yeah, you're right with what, your words versus countless times the boys on here have been right?
2nd...under a previous log-in I had over 1200 posts, so
suck on that for a while.
3rd...I doubt it. Unless you're up for the Red-Bull find an american driver, I won't be sh*t impressed with you.
4th...take your juvenille comments somewhere else. You have no idea who or what I am, and your presumption may get the best of you...
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Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
someone just shoot Terry Haines an email and lets get it over with! LOL
No F'n sh!t.
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