Well, we usually stop for 30 min or so just to make sure everyone shows up, who is showing up, then we leave, some said an hour and a half from here. I would like to give us that plus 15-20 min or so, just incase. that way we aren't pressed for time. I know I could do that drive in less then a hour, but as I suspect not many will wanna follow my lead lol. David, how far are you away from northgate? still pretty far? Not sure quite where your coming from still.