You're getting close to being certifiably nuts here...

Originally posted by Beachboy:
As far as I'm concerned, the last great years of this country occured under Bill Clinton's administration. Once we get the Shrub into office, terrorism becomes a way of life.



WRONG. There were more successful terrorist attacks on the US here stateside during Clinton's reign than Bush's (in terms of number of attacks, not loss of life). You are totally ignoring that the Clinton administration gutted the CIA during this period, too and [censored]-footed all around terrorism his ENTIRE term. In short, the CIA was blind and deaf as far as HumInt was concerned in the Middle-East.

Your precious Clinton administration was the CATALYST, in a sense, behind much of the "catch-up" that the US is having to play today in regard to terrorism.

Regardless, I'm of the belief that even if Clinton did what Bush has and locked the US down as tight as humanly possible under present circumstances, something big still would have happened.

Ultimately, branding Bush for an upswing in terrorism is extraordinarily thick-headed. Bin Laden and his folks were planning 9/11 back during the Clinton administration, FYI...

Originally posted by Beachboy:
The "Patriot Act" takes away our civil liberties.

I'm not a big fan of it, either, but pray tell what civil liberties you are no longer enjoying as of today? As the state to the East would say, "Show me". Again, I don't like the overtones of it one bit, but ultimately, I can't name one freedom that has been stolen away from me by the Federal government since it's inception.

Originally posted by Beachboy:
Gas prices skyrocket.

Welcome to the immutable laws of supply and demand, which are rather blind to partisan politics. They don't give a damn if a Democrat or Republican is in office...

Originally posted by Beachboy:
Jobs disappear as everything is sent overseas.

It's been happening since the '80s and started RAMPING up in the '90s, under the Clinton administration. Don't forget that Clinton FULLY supported NAFTA...

Originally posted by Beachboy:
Every nation on this planet hates us.



I've been in 3 since the start of this year (Costa Rica, Mexico and UAE). I wasn't accosted by anyone I talked to and in UAE and Costa Rica, I had people mention that our efforts in Iraq, while reckless in their eyes, were admirable.

Originally posted by Beachboy:
The basic question you should ask is "are you better off than four years ago?" In my opinion, the answer is "HELL NO".



Hmm. Let's see:

Better job: Check.

LARGE raise in pay: Ditto.

Working less hours: Yes.

Of course, this would have happened regardless of who was in office. Out of all this, my main gripe is the amount of taxes I'm paying out now.

Originally posted by Beachboy:
The sooner Bush is run out of office, the better off this nation will be. Yeah, you die-hard conservatives don't get your panties in a bunch. You just can't admit that the Clinton administration was the last of the peaceful and prosperous years in the U.S.

You have GOT to give me the brand name of the blinders you wear, because they work GREAT. Clinton had next to NOTHING to do with the state of the US economy during the '90s. Few presidents have, since Roosevelt. Plow through an econ book to figure out why...

Originally posted by Beachboy:
With the current administration, if you're not white, male, heterosexual, Christian, conservative, and Republican, you don't deserve to exist. Kind of sounds like the Axis powers in 1940.

I believe Condolezza Rice and Colin Powell would take exception to the ignorant line of BS you are selling, as well as a number of other minority members of the administration's staff.

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