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#958118 05/18/04 08:56 PM
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I'm getting ready to change the tranny lube...whats the best fluid to get? I hear that redline is good, but do I need to add something to it...if so what and where do I get it?

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Redline MTL has the friction modifier already added. You can get it at a performance shop. I used Chrysler ATF +3 which also has friction modifier in it. Or if you search for Fluid in this forum you will find a great deal of info.


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Ford HONEY!!!!


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What type of MTX fluid should I run?
What type after break in?


I recommend regular ATF+3 for 500 miles or so.

Any break in material will be minimal but it??s still a good idea to remove it. Also this cleans any particulates that may have gotten into the case when it was apart or even had open areas. (shifter tower, axles, etc)


I would then switch to Redline MTL. I feel this is the best choice because it offers the protection of a gear oil and has a viscosity between ATF and the Ford/MT-90.


You could also run Redline MT-90 which is a direct cross to Ford's honey fluid. However you give up some cold weather shifting ability just like the Ford fluid.



What about the Ford ??honey? Fluid?

The new Ford "honey" fluid is a quality product however it is much more expensive. You must also use the FM (friction modifier) with it and that makes it easily 3 times the cost. Not worth the money with the other quality choices available.


Other Recommendations?

A few folks have tried Pennzoil's Syncromesh with good results. It is a better quality version of GM's Syncromesh fluid.

It uses Pennzoil??s Pennzane which is an exceptional base. Under $5 a quart is also about half the price of GM??s fluid.

Like with the Redline no FM is required.


Why not ATF?

ATF does not have the sheer strength required to withstand use in a manual transmission therefore it breaks down very rapidly. When the fluid breaks down this means loss of adequate fluid supply for the syncros. That leads to excessive wear and premature failure.

Yes ATF gives that nice shifter feel ??instantly? so customers don??t complain but the transmission eventually will. I??ll live with my 10 second preflight rowing of the gears and blipping the throttle. It??s good preventive maintenance away.



How often should I change my MTX fluid?

Any non-synthetic gear oil or any ATF should be changed every 1 year/15k miles.

Any synthetic gear oil should be changed every 2 years/ 30k.


If you really do not drive your car ??hard? you could likely extend the intervals 50%. You folks need to get with the program though.

Either way it??s not very expensive and fresh fluid always makes the syncros happy. Not too mention that preventive maintenance is always a good idea.


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I have noticed you refer to the friction modifier numerous times. Where have you seen this requirement documented?

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Originally posted by svtjeff:
I have noticed you refer to the friction modifier numerous times. Where have you seen this requirement documented?



A friction modifier is needed for the syncros to bite when using a completely synthetic fluid.


Redline MTL, MT-90, GM's Syncromesh, and Pennzoil's Syncromesh all have the proper amount of friction modifier already added.


The vast experience with the synthetic ATF "cocktail" has shown that FM is needed.

Also experience has shown the synthetic Fluid honey needs the friction modifier.

Even the best dino ATF is... ATF+3


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The Ford Honey fluid does not require the friction modifier. The only place Ford specs this stuff for use is in some rear traction loc axles - and in fact only with conventional - never synthetic - gear lube. I have seen it spec'd in some early T5 Mustang transmissions, however I can not imagine it a being necessary "because the honey stuff is too slippery". If it were a necessity, it would be spec'd as such.

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Originally posted by svtjeff:
The Ford Honey fluid does not require the friction modifier. The only place Ford specs this stuff for use is in some rear traction loc axles - and in fact only with conventional - never synthetic - gear lube. I have seen it spec'd in some early T5 Mustang transmissions, however I can not imagine it a being necessary "because the honey stuff is too slippery". If it were a necessity, it would be spec'd as such.




Jeff, we here at CEG have learned from experience that friction modifier improves shift quality. You can go on believing differently if you wish, or you can try it yourself and see that it really does help.

For what it is worth, I too once believed that friction modifier did not belong in a manual trans. I have since learned better.


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