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Originally posted by acrdklr:
ultimately heres how i look at it.....(analogy) i am color blind so there are a number of jobs i cannot have. the rules just don't allow for it for good reason. so i can either accept that there is nothing i can do about it and get on with life or i can make life miserable by longing only for those jobs. marriage as defined by law is based heavily upon religion which does not allow for gays to marry. look at the bible for reasons. so you can either accept that marriage is what it is and not engage in it or make yourself miserable longing for something for which you do not qualify. i am not saying that gays are bad or don't deserve happiness but why exactly would you want to be apart of a group that doesn't seem to want to play together. personally, if i were gay i would tell marriage to go to h--l and commit my own way. but then again....thats just my bad attitude showing itself
There's a problem here. A job that requires you to be able to see in full color means there are faults that can occur, and possibly harm others in the process. Marriage does NOT harm anyone.
What you fail to recognize here is that gay couples are exempt from the rights and benefits that are given to married (straight) couples. If one partner is dying, the other does NOT have the right to decide on medical care, unlike a straight couple, they do NOT get equal health coverage, except for a few cases, and are not covered by the same tax laws as other married couples. This isn't JUST about the feeling of commitment. This is about being blatantly denied rights and benefits because they are "different." You being colorblind does NOT prevent you from getting medical coverage or making the choice to pull the plug on your wife if she is braindead.
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i am not married to either of my parents yet i have the legal authority to make medical decisions on their behalf should either one not be able to (divorced). all you have to do is sign the papers. takes minutes and is completely legal, atleast in cali anyways. medical i'll admit is diffcult, but iirc disney allows it. like i said if i were gay i would tell marriage to go to h--l and commit my own way. sigma, what about the rest of the laws that are based on religion, what should we do with them? i really think that the way this is all going down is the problem as opposed to the mere fact that this is happening. i don't know about mass but here in cali we voted a couple of years ago to pass a measure defining marriage as being between a man and a woman and here comes some joker (mayor of san fransisco) who thinks that he can do whatever he wants regardless of the law. i really think that if marriage were voted on and the definition expanded that people would not have a big of a problem with it even though they are oppesed to it. i will admit that this is not likely to happen but if this were done i doubt we would be seeing the division we currently have.
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sigma, what about the rest of the laws that are based on religion, what should we do with them?
Correct, there are many laws based on what could easily be called "Christian Values", however there are significant other reasons why those laws are illegal -- i.e. they cause harm to another person.
Homosexual marriage hurts no one, it is illegal for one reason and one reason only -- because some people think it's contrary to their religious values, and you can't even get theologians to agree on that.
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i am not married to either of my parents yet i have the legal authority to make medical decisions on their behalf should either one not be able to (divorced). all you have to do is sign the papers. takes minutes and is completely legal, atleast in cali anyways. medical i'll admit is diffcult, but iirc disney allows it.
Power of Attorney isn't always as cut-and-dry as you describe. Your powers are not as comprehensive as a Spouse's would be.
Benefits are iffy whether you can claim a 'significant other' of the same sex. If a homosexual partner dies after 35 years of 'union', the other partner gets nothing unless there was a will. And even that is highly contentious in court if his family sues (and they often do if they were not accepting of his lifestyle).
And there's still no solution for the tax benefits. Considering that homosexual men are the second highest concentration of wealth in the nation, tax laws are pretty important to them.
And that's just some of the more obvious benefits that they cannot, or cannot easily, partake in.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Homosexual marriage hurts no one
It's quite apparent that some gay men/women feel "hurt" that they can't get 'married'. So in turn some straight men/women feel hurt that gays can get 'married'.
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it is illegal for one reason and one reason only -- because some people think it's contrary to their religious values, and you can't even get theologians to agree on that.
And it's unfortunate that more "Christian" priests are weding gays, because we are getting conflicts, and segregation of church members etc. This is my big quam about this topic, the heresy of some major churches and the bending their rules to get more ppl to come to church($'s) and less ppl think they are bias to gays.
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Originally posted by Cris'pus:
And it's unfortunate that more "Christian" priests are weding gays, because we are getting conflicts, and segregation of church members etc. This is my big quam about this topic, the heresy of some major churches and the bending their rules to get more ppl to come to church($'s) and less ppl think they are bias to gays.
Because we all know that the Catholic Church is NEVER wrong (cough...Galileo...cough)
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