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Originally posted by Dtox:
Just wondering, has anyone gained anything from this thread, or do we all just want to hear ourselves talk. These arguments are so pointless. I may agree or dissagree with gay marriage, but I couldn't care less what people online think of it. Pls just let it die.
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If you think its so pointless, you saw the Subject in the forum listing, why come in and say what you did. Do you just want to hear yourself talk? Some people enjoy a debate, you obviously don't so just go to another topic on here and go about your own business.
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you aren't going to change anyone's mind with some internet debate,
Originally posted by 98SE:
I am Catholic and this for a long time was tearing at me (originally supporting civil union but not marriage) ... a few friends and the original CEG thread on this forced me to relook my perspective. Since then I have supported it in the state and am glad MA is now recognizing and issuing licenses.
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
We should not have to tollerate something that we disagree with. /quote]
Not tolerating things you disagree with it what intolerance is all about. You don't have to accept it, you don't have to agree with it, you don't have to think it is right, but unless it is causing you harm, it is intolerant to not tolerate something because you disagree.
I respect those who do not believe gay marriage is morally correct. However, I do not tolerate the attempts to block the legalization of gay marriage as they are causing me harm by denying my right to the same social institutions that straight people currently enjoy.
The commitment is the same, whether it be two men, two women, or a man and a woman, and I feel harmed by giving the relationship a different name because of the genders of the people in the relationship.
I would have no issue with the term "civil union", if it were applied on all levels to all ceremonies not performed by a religious institution. However, I would expect that ceremonies performed by religious institutions to gays be given the same title of "marriage" as to the same ceremonies performed to heterosexual couples.
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Originally posted by svtcarboy:
I would have no issue with the term "civil union", if it were applied on all levels to all ceremonies not performed by a religious institution. However, I would expect that ceremonies performed by religious institutions to gays be given the same title of "marriage" as to the same ceremonies performed to heterosexual couples.
Oh, now I have to go to a religious ceremony in order to be married? Great...
PS. I hear what you are saying.. Government should deal all 'marriages' as 'civil unions' in name.
Let the individuals pick and choose whom they consider to be married. I know gays wouldn't be the only ones some people might not consider to be "married".
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Originally posted by sigma:
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you aren't going to change anyone's mind with some internet debate,
Originally posted by 98SE:
I am Catholic and this for a long time was tearing at me (originally supporting civil union but not marriage) ... a few friends and the original CEG thread on this forced me to relook my perspective. Since then I have supported it in the state and am glad MA is now recognizing and issuing licenses.
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Originally posted by sigma:
The only reason that Homosexual marriage is illegal is because of a belief structure. There are no other laws or precluding reasons why it should be illegal.
Actually there's Moral law, the one that typically is called our 'conscience', that kicks in when you are deciding if something is right or wrong(and it's not dependant in being raised with a "belief"). What I'm finding all-the-more-so is that people's consciences are being seered and their moral laws have lessened. Examples of that are found and subsequent heresy of certain things: gay priests, or children exploited or children expoilting other children (like I heard on the news today  ) and the amount of cheating and lying (Enron, tobacco comp., 50%divorce rate, etc etc)
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I've said it before. I have yet to hear one reason why I should even care if gays get married.
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I don't mind the marriage part. But I don't to hear it on the news every day all day long. Also I do mind when any group try to get to get more or different rights and privileges than the rest of us. For example in michigan there is a city that lets middle easterners play there call to prayer over load speakers so everyone in the city can hear it. from 6a.m. to 10p.m. If you belong to that reglion thats fine, but what about the one who don't belong?
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Originally posted by Cris'pus:
Originally posted by sigma:
The only reason that Homosexual marriage is illegal is because of a belief structure. There are no other laws or precluding reasons why it should be illegal.
Actually there's Moral law, the one that typically is called our 'conscience', that kicks in when you are deciding if something is right or wrong
What do you think "Morals" come from?
Everybody has a different level of what is "moral" that is instilled by their beliefs.
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For example in michigan there is a city that lets middle easterners play there call to prayer over load speakers so everyone in the city can hear it. from 6a.m. to 10p.m. If you belong to that reglion thats fine, but what about the one who don't belong?
Think that's kind of stupid personally, but if you're not going to allow that, you need to stop the church bells on Sundays too.
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