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Originally posted by sigma:
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For example in michigan there is a city that lets middle easterners play there call to prayer over load speakers so everyone in the city can hear it. from 6a.m. to 10p.m. If you belong to that reglion thats fine, but what about the one who don't belong?
Think that's kind of stupid personally, but if you're not going to allow that, you need to stop the church bells on Sundays too.
That true. But kinda hard to say o.k. to church bells 10 tens a day though ( in comparasion ).
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
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Of course you can argue that fact. Hell, there's not even anything to argue.
Homosexual and Asexual animals are created in nature all the time, and that's an outright fact.
As animal populations in regions increase, instances of Homosexuality and Asexuality also increase. It's Nature's method of population control.
If that is "an organism's sole purpose" than why are millions of people born every year without the physical ability to reproduce? Do they no longer serve a purpose in life?
I don't know about homosexual organisms, so if there are, then you have taught me something... But if there are, they must have another way of reproduction, as do asexual reproducers. I would, however, like you to show me where homosexual reproduction takes place if it does.
If you don't think that the purpose of an organisms being is survival of the species through reproduction, then tell me what you do believe it is? Yes, I am kinda asking for the meaning of life here, but I think from a biological stance that yes, they don't have a purpose to the species if they can't reproduce. Now please don't take this as me saying that humans that can't reproduce are worthless, I am far from saying that. However, if we or any other organism gave birth to an entire generation that couldn't reproduce, they would sure have a tough time surviving past that generation.
This world is near over population as it is and the Dumbest 50% is doing it all. Were our species near extinction I would agree but we are far far from it.
Let gays get married go thru nasty divorces and pay alimony like every other US citizen. I don't think we have a right to outlaw this moral issue until the heterosexual divorce rate is controlled. Which will never happen.
Right now gays are just giddy with the idea of marriage. It's something the couldn't have but now can and the flood of them doing will slow down quickly.
Do I understand the homosexual attraction, No. Do I agree with it, not really sure.
I'm tired fo this country and it's law makers wasting time on something that really isn't going to change, other than making more lawyers rich!
Same with the the 9/11 inquires. Talking about it now and trying to pin it on someone does us no good. This country would not take such an attack seriously until it happened. It sucks that so many people died but what can't change the past. All this time and money spent investigating the past could easily be used in other places. Like National Health Care and regulated prescription prices.
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Originally posted by sigma:
What do you think "Morals" come from?
Everybody has a different level of what is "moral" that is instilled by their beliefs.
Very true, but you'd agree we are born with some sense of a conscience. And just as eg.young kids sucuumb to peer pressure to drink or smoke or whatever, if we are exposed to morally-degrading things constantly and we don't watch ourselves, our acceptance heightens.
This plays a part in how we are getting more and more shocking things on the news now; what was considered unheard of 50 years ago (not just gay marriages, I mean the crime, abuse, violence and lack-of respect) is always hitting the news.
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Originally posted by Cris'pus:
Originally posted by sigma:
What do you think "Morals" come from?
Everybody has a different level of what is "moral" that is instilled by their beliefs.
Very true, but you'd agree we are born with some sense of a conscience.
Actually, I would strongly disagree that you are born with conscience. I think this is instilled by your surroundings and society. At a young age this is your parents.
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Originally posted by Cris'pus:
Actually there's Moral law, the one that typically is called our 'conscience'
I checked with Moral law and it was ok with gays marrying.
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Originally posted by Cris'pus:
Originally posted by sigma:
What do you think "Morals" come from?
Everybody has a different level of what is "moral" that is instilled by their beliefs.
Very true, but you'd agree we are born with some sense of a conscience.
Actually, no, I wouldn't.
If you were born and spent your life in a surrounding where murder was 'normal' and wholly considered acceptable, why would you think it was wrong?
Human babies are literally some of the single most stupid creatures in existence when they are born and are certainly incapable of complicated 'right' and 'wrong' decisions. Hell we aren't even born with the knowledge on how to propogate our own species!
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And this is *so* going to effect the normal daily lives of all the heterosexual couples around the nation/world. 
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Originally posted by ExDelayed:
And this is *so* going to effect the normal daily lives of all the heterosexual couples around the nation/world.
It already has! I don't know about you, but I woke up Monday feeling completely different, and less of a person!
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ultimately heres how i look at it.....(analogy) i am color blind so there are a number of jobs i cannot have. the rules just don't allow for it for good reason. so i can either accept that there is nothing i can do about it and get on with life or i can make life miserable by longing only for those jobs. marriage as defined by law is based heavily upon religion which does not allow for gays to marry. look at the bible for reasons. so you can either accept that marriage is what it is and not engage in it or make yourself miserable longing for something for which you do not qualify. i am not saying that gays are bad or don't deserve happiness but why exactly would you want to be apart of a group that doesn't seem to want to play together. personally, if i were gay i would tell marriage to go to h--l and commit my own way. but then again....thats just my bad attitude showing itself
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marriage as defined by law is based heavily upon religion which does not allow for gays to marry.
Right there in bold is the problem that people have.
There is no reason something should be unlawful soley for the reason that a particular religion doesn't think it's "right". Our Constitution explicitly states that there institution of Government and Religion will remain separate.
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