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Originally posted by LinaBby:
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I dont think your ignorant but in this subject you might be missguided
YOU'RE not YOUR. You're=you are as in "I don't think you are ignorant."
Your: "Your opinion is ignorant."
I think they should make a law against people misusing YOUR. 
Or letting men with little ..... speak? No I dont think they should do that either 
What happened to that "tolerance" you were preaching? Now you're intolerant of small...nevermind.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Of course you can argue that fact. Hell, there's not even anything to argue.
Homosexual and Asexual animals are created in nature all the time, and that's an outright fact.
As animal populations in regions increase, instances of Homosexuality and Asexuality also increase. It's Nature's method of population control.
If that is "an organism's sole purpose" than why are millions of people born every year without the physical ability to reproduce? Do they no longer serve a purpose in life?
I don't know about homosexual organisms, so if there are, then you have taught me something... But if there are, they must have another way of reproduction, as do asexual reproducers. I would, however, like you to show me where homosexual reproduction takes place if it does.
If you don't think that the purpose of an organisms being is survival of the species through reproduction, then tell me what you do believe it is? Yes, I am kinda asking for the meaning of life here, but I think from a biological stance that yes, they don't have a purpose to the species if they can't reproduce. Now please don't take this as me saying that humans that can't reproduce are worthless, I am far from saying that. However, if we or any other organism gave birth to an entire generation that couldn't reproduce, they would sure have a tough time surviving past that generation.
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And no, gay marriage will not 100% for sure bring the legalization of pedophiles, necrophiliacs and zoophiliacs, but it gives all these freaks a leg to stand on in the courts now. Now they can argue that, "hey you gave these same rights to gays under the belief that everyone deserves equal rights and protection under the law, then so do we!"
Has the legalization of Alcohol brought about the Legalization of Narcotics?
Pedophilia, Necrophilia, Zoophilia, etc, all are subject to a multitude of reasons why they were made illegal at some point in time. Everything judging from harmful abuse to non-consent. The only reason that Homosexual marriage is illegal is because of a belief structure. There are no other laws or precluding reasons why it should be illegal.
I will grant you that Incestual Relationships could have a potentially stronger leg to stand on if gay marriage is legalized. Incest is primarily only illegal because of a belief structure as well. The assumed abusive state of the relationship would be difficult to prove and the birth defect possibility wouldn't hold water as many non-sibling couples have equal or higher risk of birth defects in their children.
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I don't know about homosexual organisms, so if there are, then you have taught me something... But if there are, they must have another way of reproduction, as do asexual reproducers. I would, however, like you to show me where homosexual reproduction takes place if it does.
I didn't mean "homosexual organisms" as a whole -- I meant instances of homosexuality in the Animal Kingdom occur very frequently. As population increases, so do instances of homo- and a-sexuality.
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If you don't think that the purpose of an organisms being is survival of the species through reproduction, then tell me what you do believe it is? Yes, I am kinda asking for the meaning of life here, but I think from a biological stance that yes, they don't have a purpose to the species if they can't reproduce. Now please don't take this as me saying that humans that can't reproduce are worthless, I am far from saying that. However, if we or any other organism gave birth to an entire generation that couldn't reproduce, they would sure have a tough time surviving past that generation.
I agree with what you're saying. I'm just looking at it from the other side... if that makes any sense.
An animal's primary purpose is to create life. Agreed.
However many animals, people included of course, are born with the total inability to birth children. So, it does happen. There are many reasons why this occurs in Nature -- child rearing, food gathering, protection. They can serve other purposes.
Nature essentially 'takes a hit' for one generation -- an organism that consumes resources but has no 'greater purpose' is a waste -- but that organism won't create 2+ more that will eventually create more and more leading to exponential consumption of resources.
This is Nature's form of population control. Instances of it have been recorded in virtually every animal species on the planet.
Of course if this happened to an entire generation that would mean extinction. But come on, Nick, don't tell me that you're actually worried that an entire generation of Humans all across the entire globe are going to be born gay.
Even if they were, I guess that's just Nature/God/whomever just telling us that our time here is up. It's not like by outlawing homosexual marriage you're somehow going to prevent the birth of homosexual children. 
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Originally posted by sigma:
Has the legalization of Alcohol brought about the Legalization of Narcotics?
No, but there are more and more people arguing for the legalization of them.
Originally posted by sigma:
Pedophilia, Necrophilia, Zoophilia, etc, all are subject to a multitude of reasons why they were made illegal at some point in time. Everything judging from harmful abuse to non-consent. The only reason that Homosexual marriage is illegal is because of a belief structure. There are no other laws or precluding reasons why it should be illegal.
I will grant you that Incestual Relationships could have a potentially stronger leg to stand on if gay marriage is legalized. Incest is primarily only illegal because of a belief structure as well. The assumed abusive state of the relationship would be difficult to prove and the birth defect possibility wouldn't hold water as many non-sibling couples have equal or higher risk of birth defects in their children.
I agree with the first paragraph in that quote. However incest is not only illegal because of a belief structure (although I would say it is probably about 85% because of beliefs) Incestual breeding of dogs for example, leads to genetic diseases that wouldn't normally appear if they were bred outside the 'family'. It's a genetic fact that a gene pool that is lessened by inbreeding will bring out more occurances, and more severe defects in the offspring. It has happened in Russia and England where the royal families maried within themselves time and time again, until they eventually couldn't hardly give birth to normal children anymore.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Of course if this happened to an entire generation that would mean extinction. But come on, Nick, don't tell me that you're actually worried that an entire generation of Humans all across the entire globe are going to be born gay.
Even if they were, I guess that's just Nature/God/whomever just telling us that our time here is up. It's not like by outlawing homosexual marriage you're somehow going to prevent the birth of homosexual children.
LOL, no I am by no means implying that I am worried about a whole generation of gay children bringing the end to our society.
I do see the other side of the table on this argument, and can see how people's rationalizations or their pro-gay marriage stances are valid, however, I still do not agree with it.
I am also not trying to prevent homosexuality, you're right it will happen no matter what. Whether you are born with a 'gay gene' or it's a decision doesn't matter, it will happen no matter if the marriage is legalized or not.
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I thought all marriages were same-sex. Every day, every week, it's the same sex, over and over.  OK. I'll stop. 
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Just wondering, has anyone gained anything from this thread, or do we all just want to hear ourselves talk. These arguments are so pointless. I may agree or dissagree with gay marriage, but I couldn't care less what people online think of it. Pls just let it die.
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I agree with you, which is why I made a joke about it. Certain topics such as these and religion, I tend to stay away from. There really is no point. 
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I don't care, as long as they don't try and bring me in on it. If they leave me alone then I leave them alone. It makes things much easier.
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Originally posted by 1314:
I agree with you, which is why I made a joke about it. Certain topics such as these and religion, I tend to stay away from. There really is no point.
AMEN! you aren't going to change anyone's mind with some internet debate, so why waste the time? (not saying the discussion is worthless, but if you honestly think you are going to make a difference in someone's opinion, don't bother.
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