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Originally posted by PackRat:
Yet the gay community gives groups like NAMBLA credibility by allowing them to march in Gay Pride parades. Giving them that and a voice is the first step to allowing them to claim legitimacy.
I'd like to see a source and/or figures on this. But it's largely irrelevant, as allowing sexual relations with a minor already violates a wealth of laws, unlike gay marriage (basically).
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What a tired argument...  Who cares if two people want to make a commitment to each other??? If you really want to preserve the "sanctity of marriage", then why isn't anyone protesting to make divorce illegal? I mean, didn't you stand before God and some priest and make a lifetime commitment to someone "for better or for worse, until death do us part"? This crap comes up every election year so the lowest common denominator of the American voting public has a nice new set of flash cards so they can tell which side is for/against gay marriage or raising taxes or cleaning up the filthy radio/TV airwaves or whatever. 
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Everyone thinks that the LGBA is destroying marriage when 50% of all straight marriages end in divorce!
Give me a [censored] break!
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I think MA just needs money for the Big Dig, so this was a good way of getting some extra income.  flame away boyeeez Any married couples in MA reading this: You will now need to book your reception halls 3 years in advance as opposed to 1.5 years when planning your wedding. good luck. I envy none of you.
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The "sanctity of marriage" argument amuses the hell out of me as well, since most of it's trappings are of pagan origin. Throughout history, marriage has almost always been a "religious" institution across cultures, traditionally DEFINED as "man and woman". Notice I said "religious" and NOT "Christian", as marriage existed long before Christianity was a known religion...
However, I would like to see some sort of designation other than "marriage" used for gay and lesbian unions. Marriage holds a religious connotation for a great many people; it should be up to the churches on who they wish to marry (this won't change anytime soon, for the most part). The government should only hold the power to grant civil unions, be they man/woman, man/man, woman/woman, complete with the same rights under law as men/women couples enjoy and are burdened with.
Semantics, I know, but I think it would settle the firestorm surrounding this and be a "win/win" for those on both sides of the argument.
Not only that, but it meets the commonly-held qualifications of "seperation of church and state" and "equal rights" no?
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Originally posted by frenchblueC2:
I think MA just needs money for the Big Dig, so this was a good way of getting some extra income.
Damnit! They're on to us!!!
Originally posted by frenchblueC2:
Any married couples in MA reading this:
You will now need to book your reception halls 3 years in advance as opposed to 1.5 years when planning your wedding.
good luck.
I envy none of you.
But if they're already married, why do they need a reception hall?  
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Make up another word for it if you want, the gays, lesbians, and their supporters will still be calling it a "Marriage" amongst themselves. Those who called it whatever other word you want to would be likely be labeled as bigots, so they would refer to it as a "marriage" in public as well.
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Originally posted by JaTo:
However, I would like to see some sort of designation other than "marriage" used for gay and lesbian unions. Marriage holds a religious connotation for a great many people; it should be up to the churches on who they wish to marry (this won't change anytime soon, for the most part). The government should only hold the power to grant civil unions, be they man/woman, man/man, woman/woman, complete with the same rights under law as men/women couples enjoy and are burdened with.
Semantics, I know, but I think it would settle the firestorm surrounding this and be a "win/win" for those on both sides of the argument.
Not only that, but it meets the commonly-held qualifications of "seperation of church and state" and "equal rights" no?
I don't know that I agree with the difference in terms because as we know, "Seperate is hardly ever equal" With that said, I would have no problems with the government ONLY issuing Civil Unions (to both straight and gay couples). I think this would be a great step.
However, this immediately takes the Gay Marriage issue out of the governments hands, and places it solely in the hands of religion (Maybe that's where it belongs). Additionally, this would require ALOT of laws to be rewritten, especially tax codes. Does the time and money required to make all of these government changes warrant the semantics? I for one would like to see lawmakers focusing on some significantly larger issues than Gay Marriage. Although I do believe our Tax Code could use a SERIOUS overhaul.
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Fed up reading negative comments like this, ( I understand that its someones opinion, and everyone has a right....etc), get over it, if you really want to hammer the 'marriage ain't marriage anymore point' I dont think it was killed by G&Ls getting married, but probably by Divorice/Vegas Weddings/Drive thur cermonies, take your pick. People who get married cause they love each other, should't make one bit of difference to their lives. Life is too short. Treat others as you wish to be treated, and you wont go far wrong. thats my point and I wont be contributing anything more to this post or anything like it.
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Probably true, but it perplexes me that "different" and labeling something as such almost always has to wear the "bigotry" albatross around it's neck, especially in regard to ethnic and social standing.
The theory goes that marriage is marriage is marriage, but the reality is that gay and lesbian couples will NEVER meet the millenia-old definiton of it, or hold all the natural aspects of it (i.e., natural procreation).
Why shove a square peg in a round hole? It IS different, so why not call it that? I don't think there's a ton of overt discrimination against couples of any persuasion (man/man, woman/woman, man/woman) that are simply living together, so I don't see a cultural backlash against those that would be "unioned" or whatever moniker one would wish to use.
Oh, well. Not the first time my opinion has been in the minority...
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