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The proof was all over the place, 300,000 Iraqi's dead from chemical weapons thanks to Saddam should be proof enough for anyone with common sense.
Tell me where I said Saddam didn't have these weapons?
Come on. You've exhibited poor reading comprehension in the past, but damn man, I only wrote 3 sentences. Certainly that's not hard to follow.
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But clearly, as sigma's post shows, there will be some people in this country that are so blinded by their hatred of Bush ...
Hatred of Bush?
Get off your high horse. I voted for him as Governor, as President, and right now am 50/50 on November.
I was simply presenting what some people thought. It's called learning. I can sit here and effectively argue circles around you all day from any side of any point of any topic. Did I ever say that was my opinion?
Nope. Don't think so.
Still gotta work on that reading comprehension, Nick.
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...that even now that we HAVE THE PROOF, they will still try to twist their own words, twist the definition of a WMD to not include sarin nerve gas, etc...
Proof?
Show me where Sarin is considered a WMD?
A chemical weapon, yes. But is it a Weapon of Mass Destruction? I was under the belief that it was not considered to be a WMD because of the concentrations needed to kill.
Now that you've proved it to be a WMD, now you need to prove it was Saddam's WMD...
Show me how old this bomb was. Was it a new bomb? Or was it a remnant from the Iraq/Iran Wars?
If it was a new bomb, was it at least 2 years old, placing it made under Saddam's rule?
If it was at least 2 years old, who made it? Was it made under a government-sanctioned program, or just some guy in the back of his tent working for Al Qaeda or any other group?
It's calling thinking. Using your head and logic rather than 100% reactionary thinking. I tend to think things through before making blind reactions based on what I want to be true.
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Umm, i think we just proved them correct? If I am reading the like I posted to be correct, we HAVE FOUND these WMD's that Iraq never had???
And it would be great if they are correct.
But, at this point in time it doesn't matter.
It's already known that some things were over-exaggerated or mis-represented by someone at some point in the chain (probably not Bush) to get us there.
But, who cares, what's done is done.
I've always supported going into Iraq so this doesn't change my feelings one way or the other.
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
EDIT: Oh yeah, and happy gay day to all you Mass. residents! (wheres that vomiting smiley face...)
that was highly uncalled for. not that "happy gay day", but the tone in which the "vomiting smiley" was presented overshadowed any chance of that being an encouraging comment. do you feel better about yourself now that you have gotten your personal vendetta against gays out in the open? good.
i am not against freedom of speach, but harsh and out of line comments such as your are very disrespectful and should be kept in the Klans in which they belong.
i agreed with everything you said up until that comment. good day sir.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Show me where Sarin is considered a WMD?
A chemical weapon, yes. But is it a Weapon of Mass Destruction? I was under the belief that it was not considered to be a WMD because of the concentrations needed to kill.
Under UNSCOM, Iraqi chemical weapons programs fell under the blanket moniker of "WMD". The CIA also uses this method of classification:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/gulfwar/cwagents/cwpaper1.htm
I can supply more non-US articles if needed...
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
People, take the blinders off already. Saddam was a danger to his people, the world, and most importantly the U.S.! His hatred of us has no limits, and he would do anything he could to get at us. How long were we going to wait? Should we have waited until he developed an ICBM that could reach the U.S.? Should we wait until we saw the smoke comming from the bunker the ICBM was being launched out of? Or should we have waited until the missle hit us, and he took responsibility for it (because we all know even that wouldn't be enough evidence for some people)?
Oh good lord...using your "logic", we should have invaded North Korea (who, BTW, has already tested and developed long range missles, and could acquire both nuclear capability and inter-continental capability a lot quicker than Iraq) a long time ago. Ask any Defense Specialist or Military Analyst on who's the bigger threat between the 2..and then ask them for some time-lines on possible offensive actions between the two, and I think you'll find that NK wins that little debate by a large margarin.
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Heh.
No JaTo, I don't need non-US articles. Those are fine.
I don't particularly care for the CIA classifying the entire Iraq program as WMD though -- I mean, Mustard Gas as a WMD?
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Can't do a damn thing about DPRK, though because of a little country just North of it called CHINA...
Unless Kim Jong Il goes nuts and attacks our interests, we've little recourse outside of keeping up UN-pressure and holding pissing matches with China on reining them in.
It's not the same RISK as Iraq, though it involves some of the same threats.
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Should we have waited until he developed an ICBM that could reach the U.S.? Should we wait until we saw the smoke comming from the bunker the ICBM was being launched out of? Or should we have waited until the missle hit us, and he took responsibility for it
Do you have such little technical knowledge that you think Iraq could develop an ICBM? It is way more difficult than even an H-bomb, that's why it's called "rocket science."
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I'll admit that there are some agents that are lumped under the WMD listing that are no more than limited-effect blister toxins capable of producing little more than a nasty rash.
Mustard gas wasn't the main concern, though. Sarin, Cyclosarin, VX and Anthrax, of which hundreds of TONS are unaccounted for and when used properly, can cause MASSIVE casualties in a densely-populated area, hence their inclusion under UNSCOM verbage as "WMD".
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Originally posted by JaTo:
Can't do a damn thing about DPRK, though because of a little country just North of it called CHINA...
Unless Kim Jong Il goes nuts and attacks our interests, we've little recourse outside of keeping up UN-pressure and holding pissing matches with China on reining them in.
It's not the same RISK as Iraq, though it involves some of the same threats.
There's also another problem with north korea.. they already have WMDs capable of hitting us (supposedly). I wouldn't really mind if they took out california, but I'm sure alot of other people would. I'm sure Bush wants north korea out too, and I'm pretty sure that's why he's pushing for the missile shield.
Anyways.. whoever said something about you not liking our invasion because of the *assumption* that they had something without evidence.. there's a problem with that. They were supposed to prove they didn't have them anymore, not the other way around. That was one of the original conditions for us leaving Saddam in power after the first gulf war. We had every right to go in.
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Originally posted by SpliceVW:
We had every right to go in.
Uhhh..no. The UN had every right...remember, it was THEIR sanctions on which Iraq passed or failed...whom as I recall..voted against US going into Iraq...
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