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Interesting how there was an article in the local paper about this today.
A Mobil Station owner is forced to charge $2.13/gallon for regular (nearly $0.25 above the state average)
Here is the breakdown of the cost per gallon.
$1.45 - Wholesale Price per gallon
$0.42 - State and Federal Taxes
$0.16 - Rent (location is owned by Mobil)
$0.10 - Operating Expenses and Profit.
The owner only gets $0.10/Gallon!!! And I'm sure a good part of that is for operating expenses.
He is being forced to close his station, and take his repair shop elsewhere.
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Originally posted by sigma:
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I think your numbers are a bit off. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/18168.shtml
According to them, 14 and 17mpg for city and highway.
According to the EPA my Mazda6 also gets 23/27. In reality it gets 16/20. I've never broken 20mpg even on 1000 mile road-trips.
Those numbers don't mean crap.
EPA numbers are kinda funny, I could never get the figures they quoted for my 'tour even when it was in good running condition. However I can pretty easily meet the EPA figures in my Volvo, which makes a lot more power than the 2.5L Duratec, and I don't always pu$$yfoot it either.
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1)OMG! sigma, i never thought that we would agree on anything ever! holy crap!
2)this is not the fault of the suv drivers
3)blame can be placed at all levels of the oil and fuel game starting with saudi arabia who has decided to turn the spiget down. sourced from the link in the first post
4)iraq shouldn't even be considered in this debate since we haven't been getting any oil from them for the last 14 years anyways.
5)i absolutely believe in profit! but i also believe in charging a fair price. this is evidenced by the prices my family charges at our sunglass shops. all the oil companies should be so open minded. i guarantee if one of them adopted our (my family) pricing strategy and incorporated the service stations in the idea they would make a killing at a slightly lower cost per gallon no less.
6)we have been though this before, although i can't personally remember. therefore methinks we will get through this as well although not soon enough for my wallet.
7)for the person who said that suv's are polluters.....ford
is striving (if it has not already done so, i can't remember it completeness right now) to make all of it's trucks low emissions vehicles (LEV) and then wants them to be ultra low emissions vehicles (ulev). this i read in motortrend maybe a year or so ago.
8)tree huggers take note. if you really feel that suv are the real cause of these fuel prices then you can do your part by riding your bicycle everywhere like the mormons do. or better yet...move to the amish country.
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Originally posted by acrdklr:
.......... 5)i absolutely believe in profit! but i also believe in charging a fair price. this is evidenced by the prices my family charges at our sunglass shops. all the oil companies should be so open minded. i guarantee if one of them adopted our (my family) pricing strategy and incorporated the service stations in the idea they would make a killing at a slightly lower cost per gallon no less.
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Sunglasses are a non necessity unlike gas.
Considering there is no immediate solution to the tight oil supplies worlwide, the only solution to the price situation is to use less. If say, usage dropped 50% (a wild example I know), you can bet your bottom $ prices would drop and fast. But thats not going to happen so ....
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Originally posted by Dakmis:
my rx7 has a 1.3l engine 
and they get like 200 miles for a full tank of gas 15.9 or 16.9 gals per tank, my friend just bought a rx8.
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Originally posted by MarkO:
Considering there is no immediate solution to the tight oil supplies worlwide, the only solution to the price situation is to use less. If say, usage dropped 50% (a wild example I know), you can bet your bottom $ prices would drop and fast. But thats not going to happen so ....
BUT if "A Mobil Station owner is forced to charge $2.13/gallon for regular (nearly $0.25 above the state average)
Here is the breakdown of the cost per gallon.
$1.45 - Wholesale Price per gallon
$0.42 - State and Federal Taxes
$0.16 - Rent (location is owned by Mobil)
$0.10 - Operating Expenses and Profit. "
I can see one area that we could definately save on; taxes. We could definately reduce or get rid of the tax placed on gas. We could then cut back on some of our more useless government paid for programs (endowment for the arts, and the likes of it come to mind) Take the money we saved from not giving it to artists to paint religious figures in elephant $hit, and use that to pay for road improvements during this time of less tax from gas. I am surprised with the hardcore liberals on this site, and in the U.S. right now, who are not calling for the government to bail us out with a band aid fix, like they usually do, when we need open heart surgery... -Nick
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I can see one area that we could definately save on; taxes. We could definately reduce or get rid of the tax placed on gas. We could then cut back on some of our more useless government paid for programs (endowment for the arts, and the likes of it come to mind) Take the money we saved from not giving it to artists to paint religious figures in elephant $hit, and use that to pay for road improvements during this time of less tax from gas.
Oh come on.
With my gas usage I pay roughly $50/month in gasoline taxes.
6% of your income taxes go towards social programs (according to the 2004 budget). I pay roughly $1200/month in federal income taxes. But I'll get about half that back at the end of the year; meaning a gross tax of $600/month.
This means I pay roughly $40 a month in federal taxes to support social programs. All social programs.
If you eradicated every single social program in the entire nation, which would never happen because it would debhilitate the economy, you still couldn't cover the loss of not paying gasoline taxes.
And that doesn't even begin to address the fact that you're advocating cutting federal taxes to subsidize the loss of state taxes. Fiscally it just wouldn't work and would incur more losses in the bureaucratic process than what actually trickled down to where it was needed.
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Originally posted by MarkO:
Considering there is no immediate solution to the tight oil supplies worlwide, the only solution to the price situation is to use less. If say, usage dropped 50% (a wild example I know), you can bet your bottom $ prices would drop and fast. But thats not going to happen so ....
BUT if "A Mobil Station owner is forced to charge $2.13/gallon for regular (nearly $0.25 above the state average)
Here is the breakdown of the cost per gallon.
$1.45 - Wholesale Price per gallon
$0.42 - State and Federal Taxes
$0.16 - Rent (location is owned by Mobil)
$0.10 - Operating Expenses and Profit. "
I can see one area that we could definately save on; taxes. We could definately reduce or get rid of the tax placed on gas. We could then cut back on some of our more useless government paid for programs (endowment for the arts, and the likes of it come to mind) Take the money we saved from not giving it to artists to paint religious figures in elephant $hit, and use that to pay for road improvements during this time of less tax from gas. I am surprised with the hardcore liberals on this site, and in the U.S. right now, who are not calling for the government to bail us out with a band aid fix, like they usually do, when we need open heart surgery... -Nick
Hmm, yeah if demand drops substantially, what do you think would happen to the wholesale price ?? The wholesale price you posted is based on CURRENT demand.
How are we in a time of 'less tax from gas' when demand is extremely strong ?
One other thing, seeing as you consistently and repeatedly commnet on 'useless Govt. paid for programs', I'm calling on you to post details on some of them.
Bless our servicemen & women overseas.
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Before you go nixing gasoline tax you might want to read up on where that revenue is spent. Many states have those funds earmarked for transportation-related expenses only.
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Why is there so much debate on this? Its simple inelastic demand. Gas stations can charge whatever the hell they want to because people are so dependant on their cars for transportation. People won't buy significantly less gas, and profits will increase.
The only way to really stop it is to make gas an elastic good... when gas gets too expensive, people start riding their bikes, taking public transportation, carpooling, etc. Since this isn't going to happen, then debate is futile.
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