Originally posted by CarpePoon:
Bush is a complete dumbass and Kerry isn't much better.



This statement doesn't say much for you either... to just immediately qualify two of the most successful politicians of the current day as "complete dumbasses" just makes YOU out to be the buffoon. Bush is not a "dumbass", he's a terrible public speaker. There is a difference. Kerry is not a "dumbass" either, but rather a lifelong bureaucrat, taking whichever side of any issue he needs to maintain and build his power. Both are Yale educated, have had successful (despite what you might say about either) careers, and are leading the charge in our country.

Originally posted by CarpePoon:
All I have to say is just like in 2000 I'm amazed that this is the best that we could do for presidential canadates.



Just like in 2000, the best candidates aren't running, either by choice or by defeat. I proudly voted for John McCain in the presidential primary in 2000... unfortunately he lost. It happens. If it weren't for the COMPLETELY ASININE primary system in America where Iowa and New Hampshire decide almost exclusively who our presidential candidates will be, I would've actually *gasp* registered as a Democrat to vote in the primary for Wes Clark. Even Joe Lieberman would've been a great president.

Originally posted by Pete D:
most of the political topics on here are dominated by the conservatives on the boards I don't even both half the time.

We dominate because we make the best cases... by using facts, rationality, and logic. The few "liberals" who do... gwellington comes to mind... don't post enough and leave the ranting to people who will bash Bush at any cost and with any motivation, without really thinking about what they're bashing or why. These "discussions" often descend into calls of being "BUSHWHACKED!!!" and name calling without solid supporting facts to back up their thoughts.

Originally posted by Pete D:
IMO, bipartisan politics suck, the canidates really aren't that far on either side of the "fence". I'd like to see some more political parties in the mix, and the demise of the electoral college why we are at it..



I couldn't agree more... the electoral college was great when we couldn't get an accurate count of the popular vote... with technology as it is and voting results available almost instantaneously, the electoral college is nothing more than show, and as we saw in 2000, a source of unnecessary controversy. About the political parties though... It hasn't worked for Ross Perot, it hasn't worked for Ralph Nader... its not going to work, probably ever. People are too afraid to leave their parties. If 2 republicans leave to join the "Moderates", but only 1 democrat leaves, then the dems have an instant advantage, and most people aren't willing to take that chance either way.

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