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Originally posted by wolfsong:

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Just so ya'll know, there are ALOT of folks that FULLY get it and can do nothing but shake our heads in disbelief at the cr*p that is the liberal media's slant ........

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Originally posted by MarkO:

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-edit- That also means we treat them with respect and with human decency until they are convicted of whatever crime they are charged with.

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Don't you mean even after?? I mean.. if this is supposed to be the "US style freedom and democracy", then lets just do it the whole nine yards, huh? They aren't any less human afterwards, just guilty..



my .02, maybe it was just a bad case of wording..


Ray

Originally posted by Sandman333:

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Granted, but there should be at least of modicum of understanding in the world that these were the acts of a few who did not follow their training and do not in any way represent what the US is trying to accomplish in Iraq.

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Originally posted by sigma:

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And, as you can see in this thread, people are very stubborn in their beliefs and once they see something and reach a conclusion on it, no matter how bad their logic may be, they are very stuck in what they think.

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Originally posted by zgendron:

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Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:

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Well, sir, if all you believe is that America's only objective is to be full Human Rights Enforcers for the entire freakin' world, then we'll be enforcing human rights far into the future...much further than either you or I will see. And it will last until there is no more oxygen to breathe, because no matter how many "good" people there are in the world, there will ALWAYS be a few bad groups of seeds out there. That has happened, is happening now, and will always continue to happen with the population of planet Earth being as vast as it is. But I'm sure you knew that already.

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Its true. As long as there are humans roaming the Earth, there will always be someone trying to take advantage of someone else. It seems all too common these days. I do not believe that this is our only objective, but it clearly was one used to bring us into Iraq (either by the government of media).

Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:

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And why can't there be a comparison? Not everyone in America is "good", just as not everyone in the Muslim world is "bad". I'll wholeheartedly agree that a majority of their population is a source of trouble, but that by no means says that every American existing, obviously including the US Soldiers that were abusing prisoners, is a perfect little angel. Therefore, I see your claim that an American terrorist can not be compared to a Muslim terrorist as false.

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I agree with what you're saying here too. Humans will always continue to take advantage of others, regardless of background, religion, race, sex, or any other characteristic. However the reason I said you cannot compare was because Iraq's entire regime was considered cruel. Not just a few bad seeds. On top of that these people were (and continue to be) governed with an Iron Fist underr an umbrella of fear. You cannot compare the incidents because worldwide we are perceived as friendly and Pro Human Rights, while worldwide Saddam was already perceived as ruler through terror. Perception is the key.

Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:

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I'm sure you've witnessed it, but SAYING we must hold ourselves to a higher moral standard is far easier than PROVING we are capable of it.

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Again, I completely agree with this statement. However, I believe we're fully capable of this as long as the individuals involved (no matter how high it goes) are held accountable for their actions. We've been able to do this in the US (again, as a majority), and we MUST convey that same image in Iraq.

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Just as long as we're on the same sheet of music.

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Now, I hope your not discounting yourself when you say that, right? And I am not being a wise ass when I say this... This isn't an exact science here; with arguments like this, a simple 2+2=4 and if you say something diferent you are wrong, mentality wont work. I know I am very strong in my convictions, but when you have made a few points in here that I have indeed agreed with, I believe I have let you and others know. I might be extremly conservative, but I am not blind as some in this world think about conservatives... -Nick

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Originally posted by Stazi the Aussie:

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And f#%k all those pompous a-holes on TV news/current-events talk-shows with their $80 hair cuts, $1000 suits and million dollrs homes in the Hills of CA, who drive their Benz's and Ferrari's to the studio to sit there and criticize a government that allows them to live the life they are living. Under the tyrannical rules of some of these Muslim extremist regimes that run many of the countrues in the Middle Esast, they'd all be riding emaciated donkeys to a mud hut to make barely enough money to f#$ken eat!

And <a href="mailto:f@$K">f@$K</a> all of you that criticize our soldiers while they are trying to restore sanity to a terror-drenched country like Iraq, that lived under the rule of a ruthless, and saddistic dictator like Saddam for all these years.

All this whining is a bunch of crap. You stupid <a href="mailto:f@$K's">f@$K's</a> who sit here and complain all day about American troops and the US government, don't realise how f!$ken good you have it. Most of those poor brainwashed SOB's you see burning American flags would give their left nut to live in the US (if they really new how free they could be) where they can live life to the fullest, and yes, even follow the Muslim faith or any religion those choose without the fear that some covert government group is going to bust down their door at night, their wife raped and family murdered.

You ignorant liberals make me sick.

I've been to umpteen countries across the world and have seen poverty and despair in the eyes of children that are doomed to a life they cannot escape. YOU have choices living in the US. You know that you will have your next meal. YOU know that you can sleep in your home at night and not worry about some nut exploding a car in front of your house because you're a Jew and he is a Muslim.

Wake up to yourselves. If you don't like the US then <a href="mailto:f@$k">F@#K">F@#K</a> the media for putting those videos of the Iraqi extremists being tortured, on air and not thinking about the consequences. Sure it's not right that it's happening, but for God's sake, what did they think was going to happen once the world saw this stuff going down. Of course some retarded Al Queda militants would go those 10 steps futher and execute a civilian on TV. I hope the moron who leaked those videos realizes what a pandoras box he opened. Retard!

And f#%k all those pompous a-holes on TV news/current-events talk-shows with their $80 hair cuts, $1000 suits and million dollrs homes in the Hills of CA, who drive their Benz's and Ferrari's to the studio to sit there and criticize a government that allows them to live the life they are living. Under the tyrannical rules of some of these Muslim extremist regimes that run many of the countrues in the Middle Esast, they'd all be riding emaciated donkeys to a mud hut to make barely enough money to f#$ken eat!

And <a href="mailto:f@$K">f@$K</a> all of you that criticize our soldiers while they are trying to restore sanity to a terror-drenched country like Iraq, that lived under the rule of a ruthless, and saddistic dictator like Saddam for all these years.

All this whining is a bunch of crap. You stupid <a href="mailto:f@$K's">f@$K's</a> who sit here and complain all day about American troops and the US government, don't realise how f!$ken good you have it. Most of those poor brainwashed SOB's you see burning American flags would give their left nut to live in the US (if they really new how free they could be) where they can live life to the fullest, and yes, even follow the Muslim faith or any religion those choose without the fear that some covert government group is going to bust down their door at night, their wife raped and family murdered.

You ignorant liberals make me sick.

I've been to umpteen countries across the world and have seen poverty and despair in the eyes of children that are doomed to a life they cannot escape. YOU have choices living in the US. You know that you will have your next meal. YOU know that you can sleep in your home at night and not worry about some nut exploding a car in front of your house because you're a Jew and he is a Muslim.

Wake up to yourselves. If you don't like the US then <a href="mailto:f@$k off and go live somewhere else. I gaurantee you be begging to come back in no time - and if you don't then good riddance!

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Originally posted by UPSTART-SVT:

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you are so right. About all of it. Thats the problem the media doesn't think about what can happen all they want is ratings. Make the U.S. look bad great for ratings. Showing the true side of the enemies of the free world not so good for ratings.

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Originally posted by zgendron:

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Originally posted by UPSTART-SVT:

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you are so right. About all of it. Thats the problem the media doesn't think about what can happen all they want is ratings. Make the U.S. look bad great for ratings. Showing the true side of the enemies of the free world not so good for ratings.

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Hey, the media is CLEARLY not the one to blame in this situation. If you want to place blame, its on the soldiers that committed these acts, and then were dumb enough to take pictures of these WAR CRIMES, and the send them to their friends! You tell me who's to blame?

The military took NO ACTION for a period of 2 months AFTER a report on the incidents was filed. Do you think the BEATINGS, RAPE, and MURDER would have stopped on its own?

I understand you're upset, but how is this possibly the medias fault?

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