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btw-you are saying the contractors death is directly the fault of those few crappy soldiers
I never said "directly". They are certainly indirectly at fault -- but then the entire Western World is in some fashion. They are, indeed, much more 'at fault' than the rest of us since their actions were the direct causation of the killing of someone.
Or, at least, that's what this particular group is saying was the reason they did it. Maybe they had him before that and they were just waiting for a good reason to kill him. I don't know, I'm just working off the evidence at hand.
Would he have been killed some other way, maybe.
You can't say "Well, he may have been killed some other way later anyhow, so it doesn't really matter why he died."
Would that group have killed someone else? Probably so.
Let's say you know a psychotic man who's going to kill someone. You tell him to kill some particular person. Are you at fault at all?
He would have killed someone anyways, right? Does that make what you did right? Of course not.
The soliders abusing the prisoners didn't pull the trigger; and I'm not advocating they get tried for manslaughter or some crap. But they apparently did not realize the gravity of their actions either. Perhaps now they do. That was all I said.
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Another thing that gets me is that these [censored] are too chicken [censored] to catch a military guy and perform these acts. They catch a contractor try to rebuild their country and take his life. I hope that we [censored] their world up.
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reasons like....oh..i don't know....the mere fact that we breathe the same air they do.
Wow...you've got some learning to do. Do some research before making silly statements like that.
you say im wrong.....so enlighten me then
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This thread is going to be a long one  But the guy who was murdered wasnt a soldier, just like the ones who were slain and hung from the bridge 
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One thing you guys need to remember here... the civilian "contractors" are NOT necessarily construction/sewer/electical workers.
A large number of civvie contractors are hired security forces, some ex-military, including Special Forces, who have the training and capabilities... they just don't wear the uniform, and recieve a slightly different paycheck.
I fail to regard the people who decided to beat on the Iraqis soldiers... I consider a soldier to be one who has more discipline and honor than that. But, that's just me. Yeah, the Iraqi insurgents and extremists may be doing the same to our people, but, we're supposed to be above that.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
the Iraqi insurgents and extremists may be doing the same to our people, but, we're supposed to be above that.
Right! What are we doing there if not to teach them about basic human rights? I can understand beating on a person who you just witnessed firing an rpg at a convoy, but the people in Abu Ghraib were not necessarily there for any crimes.
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No, he wasn't a soldier, just like the 3000+ that were killed in the WTC, Pentagon, and the flight over PA weren't. These people are chicken$hits, plain and simple. I really think that we just should just give Iraq a little more time, then if those barbarians want to let their country fall back into the stone age like it was under saddam, so be it; the more they kill off themselves the better this world will be.
The worst part about this is how everyone has been making such a huge deal about posing some naked prisoners, while things like this go comparitively uncovered in the news. I have been watching CNN now for about an hour(shudders), and have seen 4 mentions of the great inquisition, and only one about this story. The fact that a man, who was helping to rebuild the nation that those cretans will be living in after we leave, was executed on video makes me sick, and hate those people in the mid-east even more.
I know you PC police will come after me for saying this, but just think about how better off the world would if somehow the entire region was turned into a giant glow in the dark parking lot. Sure there is conflict in other parts of the world, but nothing compares to what these people do to themselves, but more importantly U.S. citizins and soldiers on a daily basis.
I'm tired of people putting the quality of life of people who were trying to kill us, ahead of an execution of someone who was rebuilding their country for them! Hell, some of the hazing that goes on in fraternities is worse than what they did to the prisoners! Just imagine how worse off these prisoners would be, if we ran our prisons like those anywhere else in the world; if it was Iraq, they would have been tortured and killed by now.
If it wasnt for us, the Iraqi's would have still been slaughterd, raped, tourtured (thats real tourture) by the tens of thousands!
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The worst part about this is how everyone has been making such a huge deal about posing some naked prisoners,...
Hell, some of the hazing that goes on in fraternities is worse than what they did to the prisoners!"
Different cultures have different values placed on different things. In the Middle East a life is not nearly as 'valuable' as one is here. That is why you won't find many people in the Western World likely to strap a bomb to their chest for what they believe in.
Likewise, our culture has lost much of the value of 'honor' and 'respect' and do not understand why dishonorment is practically a self-commuted death sentence for some cultures, even advanced ones like the Japanese.
The acts that were commited against the Iraqi prisoners was "abuse" from our perspective here in the United States. They were atrocities to Islamic Fundamentalists. Atrocities commited by those who are currently occupying your nation. You could do all the good in the world and have it mean nothing at all when you pull [censored] like those soldiers did in that prison.
Islamic Fundamentalism is very 'eye for an eye', but they could not give us equal retribution by doing the same thing to their prisoners as we to ours. If they did the same acts to the contractor that the soldiers to the Iraqi prisoners we'd again see it as no more than abuse. That is not 'eye for an eye'. It is not equal retribution. Killing the man in the worst way possible is the only thing that could equate the same meaning to our society as our abuse was to theirs.
I am in no way condoning the actions of those people. I think it was absolutely horrible and most definitely should not have happened. But you need to view things from another perspective before advocating the "Glass Parking Lot" approach, which is highly akin to the "Final Solution" approach.
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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
I know you PC police will come after me for saying this, but just think about how better off the world would if somehow the entire region was turned into a giant glow in the dark parking lot.
If it wasnt for us, the Iraqi's would have still been slaughterd, raped, tourtured (thats real tourture) by the tens of thousands!
wooooooohooooooo. finally....someone else who recognizes how we should deal with the extremist. except for that pesky nuclear fall out.
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wooooooohooooooo. finally....someone else who recognizes how we should deal with the extremist.
But, uh, doesn't that "pesky" fallout problem make you an extremist yourself?
Or is one kind of extremist better than another?
Seriously. I wanna know.
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