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Originally posted by ShinyRedSport:
Hey, they were embarrassed, not dead. There is a huge difference between the two. Atleast when they get home after the war (whenever that happens to be) they will have all their toes and fingers. 
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
The worst part about this is how everyone has been making such a huge deal about posing some naked prisoners, while things like this go comparitively uncovered in the news.
Actually, there are multiple factual reports (as admitted by Rummy himself) of RAPE AND BEATING TO DEATH of prisoners in US Custody. No different IMO.
How can you possibly justify this as any less severe???
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Originally posted by sigma:
but I hope the killing of this man weighs on those soldiers for they did contribute greatly to his death. As far as I'm concerned they should make each one of them watch the video.
Make the guy who gave the pics/videos to the media, instead of the military, watch the video as well. If the military delt with it, the public would have never known and the contractor might still be alive.
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"pesky fall out" is a blatantly rediculous statement designed to demonstrate what level of retaliation is required to make the terrorist (or whatever they want to call themselves) back off. i do not support nuking anybody because of things like fall out hence "pesky fall out". infact, if they were willing to settle this like adults i would be all for that. unfortunately this is not the case and more severe methods are required.
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"pesky fall out" is a blatantly rediculous statement designed to demonstrate what level of retaliation is required to make the terrorist (or whatever they want to call themselves) back off.
Yes... I understood that part.
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i do not support nuking anybody because of things like fall out hence "pesky fall out".
How about a slightly better reason not too -- because nukes don't discriminate in who they kill. They kill the 100's of millions of people who want us there just as dead as the XXX who don't.
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infact, if they were willing to settle this like adults i would be all for that. unfortunately this is not the case and more severe methods are required.
The irony here runs deep...
They're not "willing to settle this like adults" (I'm not even sure what that means) so you advocate the military-equivalent of running home to Mommy and nuke the entire region?
And you have the balls to call them extremists? Do you even know what that word means?
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Make the guy who gave the pics/videos to the media, instead of the military, watch the video as well. If the military delt with it, the public would have never known and the contractor might still be alive.
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Make the guy who gave the pics/videos to the media, instead of the military, watch the video as well. If the military delt with it, the public would have never known and the contractor might still be alive.
While this sounds like a good idea, we already know that the military knew about the abuse for some time, at some apparently very high levels of command.
The only thing the military could have "dealt" with was the fact that there were pictures in the first place. That they didn't know about.
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Originally posted by zgendron:
How can you possibly justify this as any less severe???
Easy, what I was talking about was the prisoners made to look like they were gay. You were the one that said there were reports of us killing prisoners. Then you attack me and make it look like I was commenting on the killing prisoners by the United States, which t was not. I'm not justifying us killing prisoners, but the slight hazing I can see and yes, it is much less severe.:)
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Easy, what I was talking about was the prisoners made to look like they were gay. You were the one that said there were reports of us killing prisoners. Then you attack me and make it look like I was commenting on the killing prisoners by the United States, which t was not. I'm not justifying us killing prisoners, but the slight hazing I can see and yes, it is much less severe.:)
To you it's less severe.
To a Muslim that was forced into homosexual-like activities, he is dead in the eyes of himself, his people, and his God and then when he does die he will suffer an eternity of damnation. As a culture, we just can't fathom the full meaning of that. Just how significant that is. Not only is he dead, but his family is as well.
Doing those stupid things not only gave those outside of prison some 'ammunition' to use against the US (not that they really needed any), when/if that man ever leaves that prison, or if he has a family, they will only want to do one thing -- become a martyr. Only through the death of those who did that to him will he and his sons ever have retribution. It is those kind of people that are sick enough to fly planes into buildings.
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Originally posted by ShinyRedSport:
Originally posted by zgendron:
How can you possibly justify this as any less severe???
Easy, what I was talking about was the prisoners made to look like they were gay. You were the one that said there were reports of us killing prisoners. Then you attack me and make it look like I was commenting on the killing prisoners by the United States, which t was not. I'm not justifying us killing prisoners, but the slight hazing I can see and yes, it is much less severe.:)
Oh, so just because our news agency doesn't show the alleged videos and pictures of the US Raping and Murdering prisoners, its considered different? If you think we didn't do it too, then you are sorely mistaken. Rape is FAR worse that murder IMO. You have to live with that trauma for the rest of your life!
Also, there are reports that Iraqi Security forces/Police (US Backed) raped boys. Not men, but boys!!!
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Originally posted by sigma:
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The irony here runs deep...
They're not "willing to settle this like adults" (I'm not even sure what that means) so you advocate the military-equivalent of running home to Mommy and nuke the entire region?
i do not think that you understand yet, i do not support nuclear assault on anybody. when i said "settle this like adults" i meant something like my cousin and i do. we have never been able to get along. in fact we don't even try to now that we are both adults. we just agree to be civil. no more, no less. i do not rub his nose in the fact that he is a bafoon and an idiot and he does not remind me continually that i come off as arrogent towards him and peace reigns throughout the region. something like that. not we don't like you or what those few people did over there so we are going to kill this totally innocent guy over here. revenge would be killing those responsible not someone or some people who are totally innocent.
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