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Originally posted by Dionysus:
Yes, but only for people that already have MORE than enough money to live and enjoy the fruits of excessive wealthiness, or if the tax dollars are going worthy causes.*cough* poor choices by current administration*cough* No one enjoys taxes, but I have no problem paying high gas prices (I paid $2.15 the other day for low-grade) because I know that those rich, greedy republicans in my state are driving $50k SUVs that get 11 (12 if they're lucky  ) miles to the gallon. I laugh at their stupidity, that's why I drive a small Ford. I stongly believe that if every person in the US got rid of their oversized SUV, we wouldn't need to be in Iraq conquering the oil.
What I don't like is how our tax dollars are being used, like to conquer more oil, rather than things that we really need for example, a national healthcare system. Places like Ireland, where I recently visited, also have 35-40% of their income go to taxes... but everyone has healthcare.
So, only greedy rich Republicans drive SUV's that get 11 mpg? And if you work for your money and get rich, shouldn't you be able to buy whatever kind of car you want? Isn't that the great thing about this country? The government doesn't dicate what we drive. What if we did have national health care? It sounds good in theory,but would you really want the government in charge of that too? Do you want them dictating which doctor you could go to? I could be wrong, but I heard that in Canada (with national healthcare) that it takes a long time to get anything done.
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Originally posted by klavender:
I could be wrong, but I heard that in Canada (with national healthcare) that it takes a long time to get anything done.
i also heard that and that the healthcare isn't really that great.
i think that Ross Perot (even though he's a nut) had the best idea. get rid of income tax, and increase the sales tax to 12% acroos the nation. drug dealers buy a lot of stuff, but they don't pay income tax do they?
and according to newsweek (i read it in the doctors office) the tax cuts by W only help the super wealthy. the person who made 43000 a year only had a 4.1% cut whereas the person who made about 1.2 miliion a year had a 13.2% tax cut.
and no, it will never stop. as long as polictal parties think that they deserve bigger pay increases, they will get it
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Originally posted by klavender:
Originally posted by Dionysus:
Yes, but only for people that already have MORE than enough money to live and enjoy the fruits of excessive wealthiness, or if the tax dollars are going worthy causes.*cough* poor choices by current administration*cough* No one enjoys taxes, but I have no problem paying high gas prices (I paid $2.15 the other day for low-grade) because I know that those rich, greedy republicans in my state are driving $50k SUVs that get 11 (12 if they're lucky ) miles to the gallon. I laugh at their stupidity, that's why I drive a small Ford. I stongly believe that if every person in the US got rid of their oversized SUV, we wouldn't need to be in Iraq conquering the oil.
What I don't like is how our tax dollars are being used, like to conquer more oil, rather than things that we really need for example, a national healthcare system. Places like Ireland, where I recently visited, also have 35-40% of their income go to taxes... but everyone has healthcare.
So, only greedy rich Republicans drive SUV's that get 11 mpg? And if you work for your money and get rich, shouldn't you be able to buy whatever kind of car you want? Isn't that the great thing about this country? The government doesn't dicate what we drive. What if we did have national health care? It sounds good in theory,but would you really want the government in charge of that too? Do you want them dictating which doctor you could go to? I could be wrong, but I heard that in Canada (with national healthcare) that it takes a long time to get anything done.
I hear many Canadians are coming to the US to get surgeries done because of the waiting lists.
Yes, people in Ireland and other countries pay that much in taxes and get healthcare. They do that in Norway and Sweden too. The problem is now that there is an influx of immigrants who have NEVER put a dime into the system but are automatically entitled, putting a SEVERE drain on the systems. We have plenty of that here, people who have never put a dime into the system yet demand their piece of the pie.
At least with private insurance, you don't get something for nothing, you have to put into the pot in order to get back.
Look at the mess that Medicare is in, do you really want that on a larger scale?
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Originally posted by Dionysus:
because I know that those rich, greedy republicans in my state are driving $50k SUVs that get 11 (12 if they're lucky ) miles to the gallon. I stongly believe that if every person in the US got rid of their oversized SUV, we wouldn't need to be in Iraq conquering the oil.
What I don't like is how our tax dollars are being used, like to conquer more oil
So, I guess that makes John Kerry a "rich, greedy Republican" since he has a "big Chevy Suburban"(his words). I hardly think so! Never mind all his European villas and multi million dollar estates here in America. Also, if we were in Iraq to "conquer the oil", we'd have done that with ease within 2 weeks of going in. It's just assinine for ANYONE to say that. I get sick and tired of all you liberals spewing your class warfare rhetoric and black helicopter conspiracy theories. I guess since you have no plan for anything better, that's all you have. 
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This is bound to get ugly. If it weren't so late, I'd think up a response to all this...guess I'll wait until the morning. 
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I have to make my opinions known here. Isn't it amazing how liberal senators can berate the "rich right wingers" for their wastefulness but they take private jets to go where they want to. I have heard, and since i have no supporting documentation i could be wrong, that in canada, sweden, norway, the ussr (when it still existed), and the other nations where socialized medicine is the norm the elite ( who are the ones who set up the socialist society) buy their health care. Now why would they do this, because they buy good health care that they can get immediatley and not have to wait in line to see a low paid government employed doctor.
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Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
i also heard that and that the healthcare isn't really that great.
Depends where in Canada you live. In Saskatoon, we have one of the best universities if you are studying medicine. And alot of the specialists are located right here. Our bills are all footed for us, ambulance, everything. I have so far never had to pay a cent for any medical related thing in my life.
Some provinces have started privatising areas of medicine. For instance, you crash your car and go to the hospital, it's free. Elective surguries will require a premium. I only wish dentistry was free...
That's all going away real soon, as almost 1/2 of our province's population (and growing at a retarded pace) doesn't have to pay taxes
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Yeah... I guess you're right. People who have more money deserve to live more than people who don't have money. Wait a minute! That sounds rediculous, doesn't it!?!?
It's funny when all of these conservatives say "Abortion is bad. We're sticking up for the unborn fetus right to live!" But when it comes time to help other people continue their lives, and it costs them money they all sing in chorus together "It's not my responsibility!"
I would rather have everyone be able to see a low-paid goverment doctor, than most of the nation not be able to see any doctor. But maybe this is just backwards thinking.
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Originally posted by Dionysus:
Yeah... I guess you're right. People who have more money deserve to live more than people who don't have money. Wait a minute! That sounds rediculous, doesn't it!?!?
It's funny when all of these conservatives say "Abortion is bad. We're sticking up for the unborn fetus right to live!" But when it comes time to help other people continue their lives, and it costs them money they all sing in chorus together "It's not my responsibility!"
I would rather have everyone be able to see a low-paid goverment doctor, than most of the nation not be able to see any doctor. But maybe this is just backwards thinking.
Who the hell would want to go through medical school and all that goes with it if they're going to be making peanuts? It would make it impossible to pay for medical school, unless you're going to put that on the governments tab too.
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