Originally posted by Rogerm60: Does Iraq deserve further attacks?
Have no innocents been killed there?
What's your point? Iraq isn't coming under indiscriminate attack nor are Coalition efforts being focused against civilians for the specific purpose of terrorizing the population.
There's a marked difference between innocent casualties of war (which the US tries to minimize) and innocent casualties of terrorism (which the insurgent population in Iraq has been harvesting with little regard). For someone to casually lump US-led activity or to even allude to such a thing shows a profoundly thick-headed understanding of events...
Originally posted by Rogerm60: The original jump-the-gun supposition was never proved.
Why? Because she can't remember it actually happening, even though medical doctors found evidence of rape? And yes she did remember some abuse handed out by her captors...
Originally posted by Rogerm60:Abuse of corpses for propaganda is common in third world countries, but not exactly torture.
Fine. How many Iraqi corpses have US soldiers abused? How many point-blank executions have US soldiers taken part in? How many corpses have we hung from bridges?
Originally posted by Rogerm60:What cases? I have seen released prisoners who say they they were reasonably well treated by their Iraqi captors.
Go back to when the supply convoy was attacked and the POW's were filmed by Iraqis. Several had execution-style gunshot wounds to their heads. Does this qualify as humane treatment in your book, the execution of POW's? I also recall reports that Shoshanna Johnson was being slapped and beaten about until her helmet flew off. They stopped only after figuring out she was a woman.
Originally posted by Rogerm60:I will have to look around for some info on this. Or if you have some specific info, please share. I would hate to think supposition is enough for your attacks.
I think I just did share and it can easily be found by digging around in various news archives on the Web, if one only cares to look.
Your statements imply that Iraqis who engage in gorilla warfare in the face of overwhelming forces are Terrorists, and use that supposition as if it were a legitimate reason to lower our own standards of conduct.
Iraq can be seen as fighting a legitamate National defence against an invader, just as Afghanistan fought the Russians. Most people think that their cause is the most important one. It is decidedly unwise to think that it is the only one.
I would like to think that no U.S. troops have executed or abused the corpses of the enemy. This is off the subject of torture. Asking for a number at this point is moot. Cultural differences exist that make it more likely for Iraqi's to do such things, but it unfortunately seems to be human in nature and therefor is bound to happen on our side too. If the U.S. wishes to to claim a righteous position it must endeavor to to stamp out such behavior.
Jessica Lynch I know little of Shoshanna Johnson except that she thought that the filming of herself and other POWs was wrong, and that she thinks our Military is treating her unfairly in regards to her disability pay.
I would hope that dispite my opinions of which you know few, you know better than to think me "profoundly thick-headed"
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" -George Santayana
