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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
To expand on my eariler quote, about the US does deserve another attack.
We have so far killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilans, most hated Saddam and had nothing to do with his gang. We have destroyed the entire country of Iraq.
We did all that to get Saddam "weapons" and to prevent him from attacking the US.
So far no weapons have been found, and few people think they ever will.
So basically everyone who disagrees with what I said thinks its okay for us to be terrorists and kill over 100k people, but it isnt okay for people to come here and carry out a terrorists attack.
The problem with some people here is they dont care if innocent people die in Iraq, but if they die here they do care.
They care only what happens in their homeland and care about no other country and what the World thinks of us.
We get what we dish out, we kill hundreds of thousands for no reason, we can expect it to happen here to.
I do fell sorry that people do die in attacks, but I truly believe that we get what we deserve.
Also folks something else to think about, could we be forced to leave the UN because of Bushs lies?
Bush has really messed up the World.
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edit: kicked out of the un: I only hope, then we can kick those fascist a$$clowns off of our soil and tell em to shove it.
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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
To expand on my eariler quote, about the US does deserve another attack.
We have so far killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilans, most hated Saddam and had nothing to do with his gang. We have destroyed the entire country of Iraq.
We did all that to get Saddam "weapons" and to prevent him from attacking the US.
So far no weapons have been found, and few people think they ever will.
So basically everyone who disagrees with what I said thinks its okay for us to be terrorists and kill over 100k people, but it isnt okay for people to come here and carry out a terrorists attack.
The problem with some people here is they dont care if innocent people die in Iraq, but if they die here they do care.
They care only what happens in their homeland and care about no other country and what the World thinks of us.
We get what we dish out, we kill hundreds of thousands for no reason, we can expect it to happen here to.
I do fell sorry that people do die in attacks, but I truly believe that we get what we deserve.
Also folks something else to think about, could we be forced to leave the UN because of Bushs lies?
Bush has really messed up the World.
The U.N. people were bribing Sadam for kick back money. No wonder they did not want to change things;
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/81269/1/.html
I don't think we had to go to war. We don't have to do anything. I think President Bush wanted to go to war and that is why we went to war.
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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
So basically everyone who disagrees with what I said thinks its okay for us to be terrorists and kill over 100k people, but it isnt okay for people to come here and carry out a terrorists attack.
The problem with some people here is they dont care if innocent people die in Iraq, but if they die here they do care.
Since you are a young man, I will cut you some slack but lets look at this another way. Assuming you 100,000 number is correct and not some Al Jazeran or CBC "factoid"..
We know that Sadam killed 2,000,000+ himself.
We know that we were imposing severe economic sanctions because Sadam would not comply with UN resolutions (imposed because he had invaded a country)
We now know (but not before the war) that the food that was supposed to be going to Iraq was garbage and the (including OUR) money was being funneled in French and other bank accounts as well as Sadams own terrorist fund.
So, continued action along the course we had followed the last 12 years would have been expected to result in an extra 1,900,000 dead Iraqis, murdered by Sadam and his evil offspring (thats 2,000,000 minus the 100,000 we supposedly killed), continued economic depression, and another 10 billion taxpayer dollars being funneled through Sadam into terrorist hands...
So, do you CARE about that?
Are you somehow more compassionate, than the soldiers over there building schools and hospitals and powerplants?
You know, sometimes INACTION is more painful than action that is painful...kind of like cutting out a tumor..
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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
To expand on my eariler quote, about the US does deserve another attack.
We have so far killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilans, most hated Saddam and had nothing to do with his gang. We have destroyed the entire country of Iraq.
We did all that to get Saddam "weapons" and to prevent him from attacking the US.
So far no weapons have been found, and few people think they ever will.
So basically everyone who disagrees with what I said thinks its okay for us to be terrorists and kill over 100k people, but it isnt okay for people to come here and carry out a terrorists attack.
The problem with some people here is they dont care if innocent people die in Iraq, but if they die here they do care.
They care only what happens in their homeland and care about no other country and what the World thinks of us.
We get what we dish out, we kill hundreds of thousands for no reason, we can expect it to happen here to.
I do fell sorry that people do die in attacks, but I truly believe that we get what we deserve.
Also folks something else to think about, could we be forced to leave the UN because of Bushs lies?
Bush has really messed up the World.
I feel sorry for the future of America.
First- Go read up on the composition of the UN, its history, and its structure. Pay special attention to the parts about "Permanent Member of the Security Council" and "Veto Power".
Second, the first and foremost duty of any government is to protect its citizens... that's why they're in power. Despite what liberal filth you may spew regarding conspiracy theories, flawed intelligence, or the like, we have no *good* way to protect against terrorism. Saddam, on the other hand, had a perfectly simple way of protecting his citizens-- stop parading himself like he had WMDs (which he most certainly did, with them or without), let the inspectors back into the country with full, unrestricted access, and solve the problems politically. Instead, he acted like a typical dictator-- like a jackass-- and he got burned on it when America refused to back down like he apparently thought they would. If terrorism is "our fault", as you so childishly put it, then the war is his fault. And even though terrorism is not our fault, the war can still be squarely blamed on his utter lack of diplomacy, cooperation, and simple common sense.
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I think too many people have been densensitized to what a 'warzone' actually entails. Too much Hollywood I guess ...
Those pictures are just the same [censored] that's been done by every Army by every country that has waged war in the history of civilization.
Nothing to see here people, move along ...
ps: and Hitman, the UN would be more toothless than it already is without US support. Without the US, the UN would fade into obscurity like the League of Nations before it.
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Also folks something else to think about, could we be forced to leave the UN because of Bushs lies?
That would be great, the UN is worthless.
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Also folks something else to think about, could we be forced to leave the UN because of Bushs lies?
If we are really "thinking" I think it does bring up the issue of redefining the role of the U.N.. The simple fact is that they failed to enforce the same MAJOR resolution about 14 times. And we have learned that corruption may have been part of the reason. And the UN set another bad precedent by pulling out of Baghdad after one bombing. This is not the first failing of the UN in this regard and it is frankly hard to point to UN sucesses in the area of miliaty intervention...
Whlie the UN has uses..amoung them rebuilding governments and reconstruction, I think the U.S. (well, many of us anyway) is facing the fact that we cannot rely on "group consensus" when US security is involved.
Forced to leave the UN indeed.....If I were Bush I would have had to fight back STRONG urges to toss Kofi and his crew into N. Y. harbor..
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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
the US does deserve another attack.
Bush has really messed up the World.
Ok, where were you on 9/11? How many of the workers in the towers or on the plane deserved to die? All of them, it seems, in your eyes. I volunteered in St. Paul's in January of 2002. I was serving warm drinks to the construction workers, police, and firefighters who had been working for months straight to pull the WTC wreckage apart. I've never seen or felt such heartbreak. They found another firefighter's body that morning. I wish to whatever god you believe in that you could have been in my shoes and felt what I felt. You'd be singing a different tune. Maybe the next terrorist attack will hit MI somewhere near you, and kill some of your friends and family, since we deserve it.
Bush has really messed up the World, eh? Ok, so the same terrorist group didn't try an attack on the SAME BUILDING under the Clinton Administration. It was only when Bush got into office that we were attacked. Makes sense. Let's see, we've got the same group behind the first WTC bombing, the USS Cole explosion, the Embassy, and 9/11, but, somehow, magically, ALL of those happened during Bush's administration. Let's bear in mind that Bill Clinton chose not to take out Bin Laden because he might injure or kill a couple dozen "innocents." Compare that to the (what was the final tally?) that died in the WTC, Pentagon, and the plane that went down in PA? Yet somehow 9/11 is all Bush's fault.
Fact: Hussein had WMD. We knew it, the UN knew it. The problem is that he didn't account for where they are now or where they went, and that's why we rolled in.
Fact: Chem/Bio weapons from WWII are STILL being found throughout Europe. That was 60 years ago now. Much longer than the 12 scant years we've been hunting through Iraq.
I would like to see your interpretation of why Hussein d!cked around with the UN for so long "You can't search here, it's not right," yet two weeks later "Ok, you search here now." Does that sound suspicious to you? No? Then I've got oceanfront property in South Dakota I'd like to sell you.
And, despite how similar the areas of Iraq and Afghanistan may seem to all of you, they are VERY dissimilar. Bin Laden has mountains and caves surrounding him (assuming he stays in Afghanistan) to hide in. Hussein had flat desert. Not a whole lot of options there. We're still working on finding the SOB who orchestrated the bombing.
So let me ask you this hypothetical- if we got Bin Laden on the first bombing run in Afghanistan, but opted to NOT go after Hussein, how would you have felt if the next thing you know your family was slaughtered in an attack founded by Hussein? I am willing to bet every penny I've ever made or will ever make that you'd have been screaming and yelling and hollering that Bush wasn't doing enough to stop Hussein's attack, and that we should have been the muscle for the UN. Guarantee it. You're the same type of person who doesn't want to pay tax hikes for higher police salary, but then scream when they're not doing enough to prevent crime. That type of person is one word- "clueless."
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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
To expand on my eariler quote, about the US does deserve another attack.
We have so far killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilans, most hated Saddam and had nothing to do with his gang. We have destroyed the entire country of Iraq.
Show me the source you pulled this from. Every number I've seen in terms of civilian war casualties is at lest an order of magnatude lower than this one...
Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
We did all that to get Saddam "weapons" and to prevent him from attacking the US.
At least you have this somewhat right. Hussein's lack of cooperation over a 10 year period with the UN resolutions and intelligence from every government around the globe pointed to him hiding WMD. We also nailed his hide to a wall given his nuclear ambitions which would threaten US interests and his assocication with terrorism.
Sometimes I think Saddam has more people sympathetic to his ousted regime in the US than he ever did in Iraq...
Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
So far no weapons have been found, and few people think they ever will.
Patience. Iraq isn't a small country and stashes of weapons have gone hidden over a half-century in MUCH more densely-populated areas.
It is certain that if Iraq had WMD, it wasn't available for immediate use/deployment as we didn't trip across any on our path to Baghdad.
I'm sure your clarvoyance in this matter has also cleared Syria and Iran of any suspiscion on housing some of Iraq's elusive WMD...
Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
So basically everyone who disagrees with what I said thinks its okay for us to be terrorists and kill over 100k people, but it isnt okay for people to come here and carry out a terrorists attack.
No, I disagree in labeling US actions as "terrorist attacks". You've graduated from a shovel to a backhoe in digging an intellectual hole on this particular piece.
We aren't wholesale killing innocents. We aren't strapping bombs to our troops and sending them into crowds of Iraqis. We aren't burning corpses and hanging them from bridges.
Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
The problem with some people here is they dont care if innocent people die in Iraq, but if they die here they do care.
You are quickly becoming the poster-child of ignorance on this. NO ONE here has said they care nothing about what happens to the Iraqi people. If anything, those that wish for the US to pull out, stop reconstruction and leave them flat-footed for purely selfish political reasons are the ones that are showing an unbelievable amount of callousness.
Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
They care only what happens in their homeland and care about no other country and what the World thinks of us.
We get what we dish out, we kill hundreds of thousands for no reason, we can expect it to happen here to.
I do fell sorry that people do die in attacks, but I truly believe that we get what we deserve.
Try as I might, I can't respond to this or even talk to this, it's so ignorant. Given this, the Iraqi people deserved to be terrorized by Hussein for another 20 years (raped, murdered, gassed, etc.) and the US run the risk of having to overthrow him 5-10 years down the line where the casualties easily could have been 10x the amount we have seen because he finally did get a nuke built...
Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
Also folks something else to think about, could we be forced to leave the UN because of Bushs lies?
Forced to leave the UN? 
Pal, tell your parents to sue the school district you came out of. You were done one HELL of a disservice.
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Originally posted by JaTo:
I'm sure your clarvoyance in this matter has also cleared Syria and Iran of any suspiscion on housing some of Iraq's elusive WMD...
You know, something I never even thought of... what's to say Ghadafi isn't dismantling the WMD that were shipped to HIM during this whole ordeal, just to save his own @$$?
I'm not all that familiar with the polticial face of Lybia... were they Hussein backers?
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