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Originally posted by JaTo:
I'm finally starting to understand why voters in certain areas of Florida had such a difficult time with the ballots in the '00 Presidential election...
I know.. I voted for Bush..
damn those buggers 
seriously.. its called K Harris
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 You're a good sport, I'll give you that!
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Originally posted by Rogerm60:
What are you guys talking about???
I certainly hope that the mean spirited put-downs do not keep him from posting his thoughts. There is no "opposing view' to facts, there are either different interpretations or different values set on their importance.
That's pretty much the point I was making, Captain Obvious. You contradicted yourself in the same sentence by the way...
Please re-read my previous post you objected to. I don't think I was being mean at all. I simply encourage folks to do a little more thinking about an issue of such importance before posting. This is especially important since the media outlets tend to present only one side of a story, rather than put it in proper context, it makes better news to inflame everything into a crisis - or at least sensationalize the story. Critical thinking & determining what is NOT being reported is the key to gaining a more clear understanding.
The few times I've gone off half-cocked on these boards, I've gotten railed, & rightfully so I might add. That's what I get for not doing my research and thinking clearly about an issue.
Now as to the actions of the personell in question, I can't comment on the appropriateness of what went on since I was not there & do not have the full context of the situation. I can only say that, if it is part of an interrogation proceedure, it should not have been recorded.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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It won't be invalid when they piss off the whole Arab population. I guess no one remembers the Los Angeles riots and the Rodney King Beating.
I bet those people over there are really angry right now.
It looked like to me some horseplay that had gone too far. The military has a lot of history and tradition that involves a lot of horseplay and initiations.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
The few times I've gone off half-cocked on these boards, I've gotten railed, & rightfully so I might add. That's what I get for not doing my research and thinking clearly about an issue.
more like not conforming to the majority might be the only reason you've been railed. If one doesn't agree with the majority on these boards they are considered mindless, morons etc.. which couldn't be further from the truth.
Only the weak minded surcumb to some of the wannabe power humpers that reside on these boards.
It would be wiser to consider all options than to ditch them without thought. 
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Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports:
why? .. your such a MAN with your personal attacks.. NOT  Whose the INVALID when one has to resort to personal attacks to promote his "mindless" views so that they give the ILLUSION of being superior..
FOOL! oops.. I must be in your infantry..
Spare me the BS. You wanna talk about personal attacks? Do I need to pull up all the posts you ragged on Bush and said he was an idiot? I'm sure I could find a few.
Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports:
more like not conforming to the majority might be the only reason you've been railed. If one doesn't agree with the majority on these boards they are considered mindless, morons etc.. which couldn't be further from the truth.
Only the weak minded surcumb to some of the wannabe power humpers that reside on these boards.
It would be wiser to consider all options than to ditch them without thought.
Now you're just whining because you've not won an argument. Not surprising, most of your posts have no value and never prove a point.
Here's a box of 
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Originally posted by JVT:
Spare me the BS. You wanna talk about personal attacks? Do I need to pull up all the posts you ragged on Bush and said he was an idiot? I'm sure I could find a few.
Now you're just whining because you've not won an argument. Not surprising, most of your posts have no value and never prove a point.
-J
and my case is proven yet once again..
idiot.. bush.. it's true.. only an idiot can sound like that..
I'm sorry JVT.. your so tough with your USELESS or lack of intelligent arguments.. PER YOUR OWN admission you dont know much about the goings on in the world other than what people tell you. All you can do is insult people without providing any valid or intelligent points related to the subject at hand.
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Initially, I felt the photos would be bad for us in Arab eyes. Clearly, big problems existed in the military leadership/supervision and the perps were clearly sadistic.
Though I wish the incident had not occured, as I think more about it I am not so sure this is big damage for us. We do/did not have a "sqeeky clean image" in the middle east to begin with....because of past involvement with Sadam & Bin Laden in earlier years, meddling in Isreal/Palestinian affairs + years of one sided brainwashing by Arab media we already looked pretty BAD going in. On the other hand....As a result of our overwhelming force and not backing down (like the UN & Spain for example) when face to face, I think they have a new found respect (read fear if you like) for our ruthlessness, "visciousness" and tenacity. Keep in mind, torture is not something new in the middle east but rather buisiness as usual. There sensitivities are not so delicate. We of course do generally not percieve ourselves as capable of the cruealty and malace docummented in the photos but it does reinforce the image to those that already hate us.
These folks do seem to respect ruthless and crualty...nobody was lining up to cause Sadam any trouble yet he was hated. Being hated does not mean you get attacked...if potential attackers are afraid of the consequences. In the past we were seen as evil cowards, now more like evil and ruthless aggressors. Not people to be messed with..
It will of course give arab nations a venue to protest, and will of course reinforce Kofi Anans & France's senses of moral superiority. But probably not a big impact otherwise.
The other point is that actions are respected more than words especially in the middle east. Iraqis, while still greatful for our removing Sadam, are increasing against us because they percieve that we will not leave. But we clearly will (and it is critical that it is percieved to be on our terms). When we DO leave, I predict much of that anti-US sentiment will fade, when it becomes clear that we were not interested in occupation or stealing oil or turning everyone into a Christian.
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Originally posted by FlechaAutoSports:
I'm sorry JVT.. your so tough with your USELESS or lack of intelligent arguments.. PER YOUR OWN admission you dont know much about the goings on in the world other than what people tell you. All you can do is insult people without providing any valid or intelligent points related to the subject at hand.
Sorry Flech, not only you're a whiner, you're a whining hypocrite. If you want to see useless posts, please do go back and check your history.
And please, I sure would like to know how I admitted to not knowing about anything that's going on in the world.
I've been to 20+ countries, I lived under communism for 10 years, I've been to North Africa, I've held conversations with Arabs IN Africa about everything under the sun, I think I know what's going on in the world on the international level.
Get your $hit straight before you post. I'm not gonna go back on forth with you in this thread, so if you have something VALID and TRUE to say, please PM me.
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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
sadly folks I do agree with the people that say we deserve it, after all look at what we have done.
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