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LMAO, opened a can of worms here eh.. I didn't wirte the article. But I think Korea has more than enough weapons of mass destruction, don't see the mighty US heading over there to fight them, oh wait they aren't a helpless poor country without any backing!
Ahh I see.
Attack Canada, thats funny take out our Air Force, 3 planes and Our Navy 5 Boats. I think there was an attempt made once, but we know what happened there.
The War of 1812 is one of the forgotten wars of the United States. The war lasted for over two years, and while it ended much like it started; in stalemate; it was in fact a war that once and for all confirmed American Independence. The offensive actions of the United States failed in every attempt to capture Canada. On the other hand, the British army was successfully stopped when it attempted to capture Baltimore and New Orleans. There were a number of American naval victories in which American vessels proved themselves superior to similarly sized British vessels. These victories coming after victories in the Quasi War (an even more forgotten war) launched American naval traditions.
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Originally posted by HITMANinMI:
I wouldnt be surprised if we did have another terrorists attack and sadly folks I do agree with the people that say we deserve it, after all look at what we have done.
Go ahead, tell the families of the close to 3000 people in Manhattan, the couple hundred in Madrid, or the probably hundreds affected by suicide bombs that they deserve it. See how much sense that makes when you see their reaction. Please, tell me how it goes.
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Originally posted by coatsy:
But I think Korea has more than enough weapons of mass destruction, don't see the mighty US heading over there to fight them, oh wait they aren't a helpless poor country without any backing!
They are a fairly helpless, extremely poor country... look at the fallout from the train wreck... completely unprepared, and had to reluctantly accept help from South Korea. Furthermore, they don't have any significant backing... name one major ally they have? they're the last significant communist regime in power... you could count Cuba, but I could count Lichtenstein and we'd be about even.
There is, however, a difference... a HUGE one at that... between regime change in a country that is TRYING to DEVELOP WMDs (whether they had them or not, that has been proven), and regime change in a country that is known to have nuclear arms and has a propensity for firing missles over the head of its neighbors...
Symptoms: Muddling of the facts, lemming-like following of liberal media, general malaise regarding "logic".
Diagnosis: Liberal, and an ignorant one at that.
Remedy: Pull your fuggin head out of your ass.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Your argument is so full of holes I don't know where to begin...
Originally posted by coatsy:
FOLLOW THE MONEY
Who launched the attack on America? Americans, that’s who..
Consider the following:
1. This act required big time money and intelligence
Just a little viewing of airline schedules on a computer. Hardly big time. I could put together a coordinated hijacking schedule for you in a couple of hours. I'd do it in minutes, but I'm still using dial-up connections. I have my own home & family & pay for this line, not my mommy & daddy.
Originally posted by coatsy:
2. This act required high level military co-ordination
Again, airline schedules from a computer and one guy to tell the others which planes to board. Don't even need phones, could relay info by mail - no chance of leaks that way. Assuming the targets were already chosen, no other instruction needed. No biggie there either.
Interesting to see you disagree with the Bush administration.
After all, they are the ones who have pressed the claim that many millions of dollars were funneled through terrorist cells for a period of years while the attack was being planned. True, the flight training took time and worked to their advantage, but they may have been able to do without it.
And the US Government did do it - I saw it on TV in March (pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen).
OK, maybe that was just a stupid TV show. So, the FBI, the CIA, the Millitary, the NEC, and Hollywood all considered the use of planes as weapons - but as Condoleezza Rice said: "I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons."
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Originally posted by coatsy:
FOLLOW THE MONEY (A Liberal view on Twin Tower bombing)
Who launched the attack on America? Americans, that??s who..
Consider the following:
1. This act required big time money and intelligence
2. This act required high level military co-ordination
3. This act does not financially profit anybody in any desert country ( unless they were being paid by someone
??over here? that stands to gain a profit).
4. Who stands to gain a profit? Defense contactors and oilman; building contractors Billions?
5. George Bush came to power on the promise to lower taxes and by giving everyone a rebate (he bought the vote). Now that he is in power, he is stealing the social security money for arms and missile defense (contracts worth billions). Knowing that the social security trust fund ( which is just a bunch of IOU??s anyway) will be inadequate because of George??s doings, the baby boomers are a short time away from pressuring the money away from expensive defense contracts such as missile defense. Billions will be taken away from the defense contractors?? income. A big undeniable reason for increased and sustained defense spending was needed. So Whamo ! Who will stand up now and say that they are not in favor of big defense spending? ( Just wait till you here the line, ?? With missile defense system in place we could avert these types of attacks?
6. Immediately after the attacks, the scapegoat ( or real culprit funded by the big boys back home) was pointed at. No evidence was in yet of course but they wanted everyone to look at the scapegoat right away.
7. Now that the big oilmen have got George (The Oilman) Bush in charge ( Notice that all his appointees are pro-oil), they stand to gain big from such a friend in the Presidential seat. But if George gets tossed for scamming the social security or being the cause of a big downturn then the oilmen stand to lose big. So lets take everyone??s mind off the problem and unite everyone behind the president. Later we can blame the high expenditure ( and thus the downturn) on the necessary defense spending that everyone will agree was justified. ( notice what the first commodity was to increase in price following the attack ??OIL??
8. Who stands to gain the most profit 1. Oilmen or 2. Defense Contractors
9. Like the old detective stories say: If you want to know who did the crime , Just Follow The Money!
Replace "Liberal" view with the phrase "Dips**t" view and I'd be much more apt to agree with the title.
I generally like liberal viewpoints as much as a festering rash, but I wouldn't insult the mainstream liberal ideology with this pile of intestinal discharge if held at gunpoint...
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Yeah the torturing is bad, but it doesn't matter what president is in power, that is gonna happen. But considering how much LESS our soldiers tortue Iraqis compared to how much they have tortured US soldiers/civilians that they've caught, it's not that big of a deal. And I guess you'd rather have a president that lets terrorist to continue to attack the US. I bet you would change your mind if you or one of your family was to be involved in a terrorist attack under a new president. And do you really think Saddam had no access to WMDs? There are plenty of neighboring countries that probably took these weapons off his hands, or already were holding them for him when we invaved. In any case, Saddam and his regime were sick and we're doing the majority of Iraq a favor by liberating them. Though of course it will take a long time to get it all straight. Though I guess you'd rather us just sit in the US and continue to get attacked. You realize the world hated us before we went into Iraq right???? Maybe you should do some research before forming an opinion. 
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Originally posted by coatsy:
... it isn't that far fetched too believe that there was a conspiracy in place here...
Yes it is. What you're suggesting is totally unfounded, illogical, and frankly, insane.
Originally posted by coatsy:
I really find it strange that the US goes balls out hunting for Hussein with ???? Weapons and leave Bin LAden in hiding after the devastating attack on the US!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as WMDs are concerned, you missed a few nice threads about the Washington Post article from April 14th or 15th. Basically, the IAEA put together a letter/report to the U.N. that documents scrap stainless steel and rocket engines being sold to scrap yards in Europe. European and U.N. officials reporting that some of it was radio active and had amounts of 'yellowcake', which is a byproduct of a uranium enrichment process. The International Atomic Energy Agency, a U.N. watchdog agency, traced the materials back to Jordan, who got them from Syria, who got them from Iraq.
On to Binny baby, he will get his. My nephew is in Afghanistan with the 10th Mountain Div. hunting the worm down as we speak. I noted in a previous post about the difficulties & limitations that the troops there are dealing with. It's just the reality of the border & terrain situations, and I get my information from somebody who is there. Where, exactly, are you getting your info?
I'm sorry, but your view is very distorted by obvious bias in your sources. Don't just eat everything that is spoon fed you by the CBC. Do your own thinking & question what you're hearing. There's more than one side to every argument, so what do you suppose the CBC and Canadian Government that controls it are leaving out of their telecasts? What alternat point of view are they presenting that will allow you to temper your perceptions with facts? Pretty much none it seems.
French, Russian, and possibly German officials were heavily involved in billions of dollars worth of fraud in the Oil for Food program, and possibly giving Iraq technological help with their weapons programs. They were among the most fervent opponents of the moves to enforce the U.N. resolutions and their news agencies were very much echoing all the drum beating. Sad, really, that the same thing is happening in Canada.
I wonder what the Canadian Government is so afraid of?  Stay tuned, we may find out in the coming months. I think I'll save a link to this thread for when that news hits the front page.
Of course, many Canadians will be lead to believe that it's all just revenge journalism & villainous propaganda being thrown about by that big, mean, bully the United States.
Things will get interesting across the border - Stay tuned mon ami... 
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Maybe you should do some research before forming an opinion.
Well, this thread will certainly get him thinking before posting in the future.
If you get anything out of this HITMANinMI, I hope it's that you don't have to take everything the media throws at you as gospel. When the press presents a view, find out what the opposing view is so you get a more balanced perception of what is going on. This will give you understanding & insight into:
1. How things came to be
2. How they will be recorded in history
3. What really happened
#1 is the basis for understanding
#2 may bring you riches
#3 will bring you wisdom & peace, my son. 
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I wouldnt be surprised if we did have another terrorists attack and sadly folks I do agree with the people that say we deserve it
I try to keep my mouth shut in these political and Iraq discussions, mainly because I am not as informed as many of the people who post here. But I gotta tell you, that was a VERY bad thing to say, man. I challenge you to think about what you said and decide if you really meant that.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
But considering how much LESS our soldiers tortue Iraqis compared to how much they have tortured US soldiers/civilians that they've caught, it's not that big of a deal.
true dat
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