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Originally posted by auiotour:
Originally posted by BP:
despite the "bring it on" attitude of our administration the "war on terrorism" will not be won through military might.
...especially when the military force is inadequate and poorly planned.
You seem to forget who is the largest, highest technology, smartest, and most powerful military in the world.
I accept your point but the conflict now in Iraq now seems to be all guerilla warfare. Technology can aid you a lot but its still a [censored], dirty type of warfare.
Ask the Brits, they have 30yrs experience of it in Belfast ....
Bless our servicemen & women overseas.
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Originally posted by 69Boss302:
I forget who said it earlier to Support our troops, not the war. For too long it has been used and it needs to stop. It is a slap in the face to every single military member, past or present. To say that one supports the troops but not the job we are doing is disgraceful. I cannot believe that by something so idiotic one can believe that they are supporting us. When I come home I do not want to be welcomed by anyone that has ever uttered those words.
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That would be me. I'm sorry you think I am insulting you and your service. I am not. I know you are risking your life every day over there and I appreciate the sacrifice that you are making. I know you are making Iraq a better place.
My point is that you should not have been sent there in the first place.
Sincerely ...
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Originally posted by MarkO:
Originally posted by 69Boss302:
I forget who said it earlier to Support our troops, not the war. For too long it has been used and it needs to stop. It is a slap in the face to every single military member, past or present. To say that one supports the troops but not the job we are doing is disgraceful. I cannot believe that by something so idiotic one can believe that they are supporting us. When I come home I do not want to be welcomed by anyone that has ever uttered those words.
SSgt Mike Allen, USAF
Al Udied AB, Qatar
That would be me. I'm sorry you think I am insulting you and your service. I am not. I know you are risking your life every day over there and I appreciate the sacrifice that you are making. I know you are making Iraq a better place.
My point is that you should not have been sent there in the first place.
Sincerely ...
Part of why I am in the military is to defend the freedoms that so many people of America enjoy. Despite the difference of opinions I will be here to defend your freedom and do my best to keep your world free of terror. I will do my best to make sure that your family sleeps safe at night. I will do my best to protect your future.
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I believe war should be a last resort. Maybe that should have changed after 9 11. I think the war on terrorism will never end. We might prevent some acts of terrorism but it is impossible to prevent 100 percent of terrorist acts. Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) probably came close to causing the plane to crash.
I really wish that we had not had to go to war. I hope our government weighed their options before making the decision and I hope war was the right decision. Like you say the information is classified and we donā??t know the facts. The war might have prevented something worse than 911 from happening.
It looks like that would push a person to the limit to be a soldier in Iraq. With all the clothes the soldiers are wearing, it must be hard to survive in the heat. Do they require drills with nuclear, chemical, and biological suits, gas masks, OBAs?
I feel bad about the Military and the innocent Iraq civilians & women and children that are killed or suffering because of the war. I would not want to be in their shoes. I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like over there.
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Originally posted by MarkO:
Originally posted by auiotour:
Originally posted by BP:
despite the "bring it on" attitude of our administration the "war on terrorism" will not be won through military might.
...especially when the military force is inadequate and poorly planned.
You seem to forget who is the largest, highest technology, smartest, and most powerful military in the world.
I accept your point but the conflict now in Iraq now seems to be all guerilla warfare. Technology can aid you a lot but its still a [censored], dirty type of warfare.
Ask the Brits, they have 30yrs experience of it in Belfast ....
How is it a dirty type of warfare, when old military guns such as the gatling gun were created, and nobody in the world had seen the likes of such a weapon. It wasn't a dirty weapon. Battlefields accrossed the world started using them. But it wasn't a dirty type of warfare. Its called reality. Wars of the past had thousands of people die on both sides, thanks to technology, not as many of our soldiers die. Hey, if you think its dirty man, you should be come omish and go fist fighting them. See how far you get.
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Originally posted by Con_touring:
I really wish that we had not had to go to war. I hope our government weighed their options before making the decision and I hope war was the right decision.
Would you prefer the method of asking nicely that they stop, when that doesn't work threaten them, and when that doesn't work. Lock them up, and when that still doesn't work. What then, WAR. If you lost someone in the twin towers maybe you would feel different about this situtation. Either way, I still feel the same, losing my uncle, who I was close to all my life, is something I can never have back. Thanks to people hating the US and the people who live here. DO you think they stopped for one second and realized, Hey, maybe someone from Iraq works on a daily bases inside those towers. Did they care no. They are cold blooded killers, who deserve the harsh punishment that get. Yes there is civilins who die that weren't meant to die. When a kid raises a gun to a military personal. They will surely be put down. Don't give me they are only kids. If a kid raises a gun to a police officer in the US. They will likely be shot int he arm holding the weapon or killed. Military does not take chances that they could avoid by simply saying, stop bombing us and stealing our jets killing thousands of people damaging our economy until its nothing. They won't stop unless the US shows them and everyone else we will not stand for this. There were no options to be weighed. WAR was the only choice. If any country would have done it to us in an attach. They would be bombed to [censored]. And they should be. America didn't get this way being old fasioned and accepting. If we wouldn't have gone to war we would probably be being bombed still all over the US.
Final question. What has the war did to you. Besides allow you to keep your job now that the economy is getting back to where it was. Thousands of people have lost there jobs do to 9-11. Finally people are getting jobs again. People are hiring because people are buying. Maybe if you would have lost someone, I don't wish it upon you or anything, but maybe you would want to avenge your lost love one. Maybe if you would have lost your job you would understand how much an economy is needed.
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Originally posted by auiotour:
There were no options to be weighed. WAR was the only choice.
I don't totally agree with that.
It does not seem like a war. The enemy blends in with the civilians. It is hard to fight an enemy that you cannot see.
The terrorists have always fought like cowards. They attack civilians and innocent people. They don't want peace.
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Originally posted by Con_touring:
Originally posted by auiotour:
There were no options to be weighed. WAR was the only choice.
I don't totally agree with that.
It does not even seem like a war. The enemy blends in with the civilians. It is hard to fight an enemy that you cannot see.
You got it, it's called desperation on their part.
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Originally posted by MarkO:
Originally posted by auiotour:
Originally posted by BP:
despite the "bring it on" attitude of our administration the "war on terrorism" will not be won through military might.
...especially when the military force is inadequate and poorly planned.
You seem to forget who is the largest, highest technology, smartest, and most powerful military in the world.
I accept your point but the conflict now in Iraq now seems to be all guerilla warfare. Technology can aid you a lot but its still a [censored], dirty type of warfare.
Ask the Brits, they have 30yrs experience of it in Belfast ....
Right on. The NI conflict is not gonna end no matter how well-armed/organized the Royal forces are. The mutual hatred between them Oranges and the Catholics dates wayyyy back. The hatred of Muslims towards Christian world dates back even longer, and it just adds to their determination. Somebody wanna fight a guerilla war - they might as well forget about it. Just bring one example of successful outcome of a war like this. Non exist. Philipines with General Pershing or 'Nam, Afghan during the late 1970's and most of the 1980's, Isr/Pal conflict, etc. etc. Technology doesn't work well in guerilla war.
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Originally posted by JVT:
Originally posted by Con_touring:
Originally posted by auiotour:
There were no options to be weighed. WAR was the only choice.
I don't totally agree with that.
It does not even seem like a war. The enemy blends in with the civilians. It is hard to fight an enemy that you cannot see.
You got it, it's called desperation on their part.
Well, those who pick up guns aren't really hiding, the US military isn't just shooting anyone in site, the shoot the people who fight back, which if they are fighting us they are our enemy. The pentagon has intellegence that they use in order to find people who are terrorists. Those who stay in hiding, and lay low, and those who weren't known about, probably will never be found. Its that simple. But if you destroy most of an army, then the rest usually disbands, or joins again, but takes years to work a decent plan up again. which buys america time to find them.
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