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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by Con_touring:
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Originally posted by Alphatour:
Never in histroy has some much material been classified.
I seriously doubt that, considering what went on during the Cold War.
Actually with all of the spying and espionage that went on during the cold war very little was classified. Admiral John Walker and his son made a fortune selling the Top Secret communications encryption technology to the Communists. When I was on a ship I always wondered how the Russians seemed to be able to follow our ship whenever they wanted to. They had access to our communications thanks to John Walker and his son.
You give one example and suddenly very little was classified? 
That example is a good example. If you have access to your enemyâ??s communications and know everything they are doing; that gives you all the advantage that you need.
I don't give a flying McFlurry if it was a good example, it's still ONE EXAMPLE.
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Originally posted by Dionysus:
I'm tired of conservatives blaming the media for all of Bush's f-ups. He hasn't done a single thing to better this country since he started his term 9 months after he was inaugurated when he come back from vacation. Please tell me how the media outlets, most of them owned by very conservative corporations like AOL Time Warner, are twisting around daily occurences. Stop blaming others and take some responsibilty for your screw-ups.
Yes, these things that are happening overseas are terrible, and no face of war is a war anyone would like to see.
Support the troops, not the war.
Yup. I wouldn't blame them conservatives only. Three is actually no difference whatsoever between them and them democrats. Clinton was no better when he got us into the Serbian [censored] (supporting the Bosnian fundamentalists; part of them r now fighting against us in Iraq.)
The thing is - this war has no future. I mean, the future is bleak, hopeless and dangerous. And GWB just plainly sucks arse - with or without war.
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Anyone knows what are those????? Looks like modified AKs but not quite....  
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Originally posted by 69Boss302:
I forget who said it earlier to Support our troops, not the war. For too long it has been used and it needs to stop. It is a slap in the face to every single military member, past or present. To say that one supports the troops but not the job we are doing is disgraceful. I cannot believe that by something so idiotic one can believe that they are supporting us. When I come home I do not want to be welcomed by anyone that has ever uttered those words.
SSgt Mike Allen, USAF
Al Udied AB, Qatar
I have been defending the decision to go to Iraq for a long time. It served at least two purposes:
1. The UN & the world now know that rogue regimes are on borrowed time. Obey your agreements in accordance with the UN Charter that you're a member of, or face REAL penalties.
2. Terrorist organizations & extremists who wanted to take on or embarass the U.S. are all gathering in Iraq. One nice neat package to deal with.
I certainly feel it was a good choice to take the fight to THEM, rather than having to carry a handgun or shotgun to tangle with terrorists in the steets of my town. I cannot say enough about the courage of the President for taking the political risks he has in an effort to protect the civilian population - including YOUR family (whoever may be reading this).
Now that the stainless steel from rocket engines, nuclear & chemical facilities is showing up in Europe for re-cycling we've have a paper trail to follow on the sources of that material - to Jordan, from Syria, from Iraq. Reported in the Washington Post and documented to the U.N. council from IAEA letters & reports - if any of you are interested in the source of the information. Vindication that we've heard little about - Why is that, do you suppose?
and Sergeant, <S> Thanks dude. 
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Now that the stainless steel from rocket engines, nuclear & chemical facilities is showing up in Europe for re-cycling we have a paper trail to follow on the sources of that material - to Jordan, from Syria, from Iraq. Reported in the Washington Post and documented to the U.N. council from IAEA letters & reports - if any of you are interested in the source of the information. Vindication that we've heard little about - Why is that, do you suppose?
Got linky? Sounds interesting...
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Originally posted by infuryum:
Got linky? Sounds interesting...
Here's the original post in this forum.
Scrap SSteel
I went to the UN & Washington Post web sites & found out that the article may have actually appeared in the April 15th issue. Sorry I don't have the direct story link on this computer, it's on my work computer at the office. I'll post it on Monday.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
1. The UN & the world now know that rogue regimes are on borrowed time. Obey your agreements in accordance with the UN Charter that you're a member of, or face REAL penalties.
When did the "UN Charter" authorize US military action against Iraq ? The last time it was in 1991...
On the other hand did you know that Uncle Sam owes a few billions to UN by simply not paying his dues ? I hope we're not going to face the REAL penalties you're talking about... j/k
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
2. Terrorist organizations & extremists who wanted to take on or embarass the U.S. are all gathering in Iraq. One nice neat package to deal with.
That's fine as it is, the only problem is that now - thanks to the wise leadership of Mr. GWB - there are much more "terrorist orgranizations & extremists" than before...
Seriously, you gave your points, I give mines:
GWB has united and magnetized the extremists by giving them clear objectives and an enemy to hate even more ("get the agressors out from the holy land blablabla.."), while he divided and polarized the US and the western world ("do we really need this Iraq war and why this way blablabla..?").
Do you really think he can win a global war by means almost half of Americans and most of developed countries oppose ?
This is hardly the way to win the war on terror. If he fails to understand this, he needs to go.
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Coming from a completely uneducated point of view, I feel comfortable asking questions and pointing out holes.
What, pray tell, IS the way to win the war on terror? (Alliteration much?)
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Originally posted by tiv:
When did the "UN Charter" authorize US military action against Iraq ?
Resolution 1441
Originally posted by tiv:
... thanks to the wise leadership of Mr. GWB - there are much more "terrorist orgranizations & extremists" than before...
GWB has united and magnetized the extremists by giving them clear objectives and an enemy to hate even more ("get the agressors out from the holy land blablabla.."), while he divided and polarized the US and the western world ("do we really need this Iraq war and why this way blablabla..?").
Do you really think he can win a global war by means almost half of Americans and most of developed countries oppose ?
This is hardly the way to win the war on terror. If he fails to understand this, he needs to go.
Whether the world cares to admit it or not, we're fighting World War III. In WW-II, the Brits fought alone for a while before other contries & their citizenry bought a clue. Read about the isolationism that was pervasive in the U.S. prior to Pearl Harbor. Even though we gave a great deal of economic support to the Brits, now we all know how critical is was that the U.S. stepped into the fray.
In my view this is little different. Look at what happened in Spain. Now that the Spanish Government & people have capitulated to the terrorists demands, are the terrorists backing off. NO, they're making more demands & it will never stop. The more you give, the more they want.
Which brings us to your point about, "...there are much more "terrorist orgranizations & extremists" than before...". I don't buy it. Those that were inflamed enough to join in were that way before we ever went in to Iraq. Some may have been pushed over the edge by the twisted words of the Arab media, but relatively few IMHO.
Evidence: Many of those joining in now are nothing but criminalistic opportunists looking to capitalize on the situation. Journalists & others being taken hostage for ransom, not as a political statement - simple greed. Remember the Chinese who were captured? How do you think they got returned? The kidnappers were feeling nice that day? I think not.
Not to mention the ones that have obtained guns for the purpose of victimizing the general Iraqi population for their personal gain. You hear the media screaming about the Iraqis who want peace & stability they had with Sadam, but they don't tell you why they have that view. It's not because the U.S. Marines or Iraqi police are marching around killing & robbing people.
[rant on]Just think a little bit beyond what you're being told. Don't let yourself be spoon fed this crap being put out by the networks. Talk to the guys that are there making the difference. Don't people ever wonder about what the media leaves out of their stories??? Don't people ever really think about this stuff?
Just listen to the news. Journalism properly done presents opposing views & explores each so the reader/listener can make up their own mind. What you get out of the media is one side of the debate & a statement something like, "The White House denies these allegations, and says the story is distorted.". WTF kind of journalism is that?? No follow up as to why, and you KNOW the White House gave reasons why in their statements. As a former newspaper man, it makes me sick.[rant off]
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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